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Originally posted by airspoon
Well then the women can get an abortion if the man also chooses not to have a child. Why should the woman get the choice if she isn't ready to have a child but the man doesn't?
Maybe it is about not getting knocked up because that is the only way a man can shirk his duty to fatherhood...by not becoming a father and by not engaging ina ctivity that produces children.
Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
A man does have access to 100 percent effective contraception.
Seems easier to me to use that method (abstinence) then to let the world know they are a dead beat by trying to "decline fatherhood".
The time to decline fatherhood is before it happens.
Now that would be ideal wouldn’t it? But the reality is that both genders love to have sex and sometimes, that results in unplanned pregnancy. I believe the 8 page discussion is about the rights of the father and not a guide of how to not get knocked up.
Originally posted by nagabonar
This rule applies in Islamic countries with Sharia law or some degree of Sharia law, but also in democratic countries with a majority of Muslims such as Indonesia and Malaysia.
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Maybe it is about not getting knocked up because that is the only way a man can shirk his duty to fatherhood...by not becoming a father and by not engaging ina ctivity that produces children.
Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
A man does have access to 100 percent effective contraception.
Seems easier to me to use that method (abstinence) then to let the world know they are a dead beat by trying to "decline fatherhood".
The time to decline fatherhood is before it happens.
Now that would be ideal wouldn’t it? But the reality is that both genders love to have sex and sometimes, that results in unplanned pregnancy. I believe the 8 page discussion is about the rights of the father and not a guide of how to not get knocked up.
I assumed a biology lesson were needed, especially for those backing such reprehensible nonsense as the OP puts forth.
This is about two things, money and being ble to have sex at will with anyone and walk away if the end result is a baby.
Two things it seems overwhelmingly apparent men place great value upon, if this thread and the OP is any gage of manhood.
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by mayertuck
Hate to nitpick but I cannot stand to be misrepresented. I certainly did not bring the word cheap into the conversation. Please go back and make note of who did. You did.
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Originally posted by mayertuck
I agree its is a consequence, but it is a consequence that she chooses to do to not accept responsibility. Yea its not cheap, but compared with 18 years of child support is definetly the cheaper option is it not?
So if I am reading you correctly, you are saying that she is being responsible by getting an abortion because its birth control?
I was under the impression the aim of birth control was to prevent pregnancy in the first place. If the aim of birth control is to prevent pregnancy then how is getting an abortion truly facing the consequence of having sex?
edit on 17-9-2010 by mayertuck because: (no reason given)
I have addressed your points you just do not like how I have done so.
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Abortion is taking responsibility, it is no such thing as walking away. When men have the same body parts by all means have the smae choices. These fall under the legal umbrella of reproductive rights. Men and women have different reproductive because they have different reproductive organs that do 100 percent different things.
Originally posted by mayertuck
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Maybe it is about not getting knocked up because that is the only way a man can shirk his duty to fatherhood...by not becoming a father and by not engaging ina ctivity that produces children.
Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
A man does have access to 100 percent effective contraception.
Seems easier to me to use that method (abstinence) then to let the world know they are a dead beat by trying to "decline fatherhood".
The time to decline fatherhood is before it happens.
Now that would be ideal wouldn’t it? But the reality is that both genders love to have sex and sometimes, that results in unplanned pregnancy. I believe the 8 page discussion is about the rights of the father and not a guide of how to not get knocked up.
I assumed a biology lesson were needed, especially for those backing such reprehensible nonsense as the OP puts forth.
This is about two things, money and being ble to have sex at will with anyone and walk away if the end result is a baby.
Two things it seems overwhelmingly apparent men place great value upon, if this thread and the OP is any gage of manhood.
wow you hit the nail on the head, and for females they are able to choose to (abortion is having sex with anyone and walking away if pregnancy occurs) have those to things. Equality again men should have the same options.
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by AzoriaCorp
Since when is exercising the choice to abort not taking responsibility?
It is part of a females valid legal and responsible birth control choices.
I am sorry you feel the need to degrade the woman by acting like abortion is not a valid legal responsible choice, and even comparing it to not paying child support or shirking parental duties as a father is disgusting reprehensive and very telling.
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by AzoriaCorp
Since when is exercising the choice to abort not taking responsibility?
It is part of a females valid legal and responsible birth control choices.
I am sorry you feel the need to degrade the woman by acting like abortion is not a valid legal responsible choice, and even comparing it to not paying child support or shirking parental duties as a father is disgusting reprehensive and very telling.
Originally posted by mayertuck
Please show me where it says that abortion is birth control? It is not birth control, it does not prevent a pregnancy. No matter how you cut it is taking action after the fact.
By engaging in sexual intercourse both male and female are agreeing to accept the outcome of that union. Is that so difficult to comprehend?
Originally posted by airspoon
In this day in age, a man doesn't even get the choice to be a dead beat, as the courts will force him to not only take care of the child but also the mother. This is nonsense. If she can easily choose whether she is ready, then so should he be able to do the same.
--airspoon
Originally posted by DoomsdayRex
Originally posted by airspoon
Well then the women can get an abortion if the man also chooses not to have a child. Why should the woman get the choice if she isn't ready to have a child but the man doesn't?
Going out on a limb here, and I know this is a stretch, but it might have something to do with the fact it is her body and her life that will be affected the most; a father assumes no risks whatsoever to his life-and-limb during pregnancy and childbirth.
I think this is more about controlling women than "father rights".