Molten Steel and 9/11: The existence and implications of molten steel in "the pile"., page 4

reply to post by dereks

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dereks, in 20 years we could have already established that 9/11 was an inside job, figured out exactly what happened, how it happened, and put everyone we could find guilty in jail or had them executed already, 99% of everyone now in agreement, and you would still be saying all of our evidence was debunked years ago.

reply to post by dereks

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they did fall at free fall speed, NIST had to admit WTC 7 fell at free fall speed after trying to deny it for 8 years. 1 and 2 can be timed from the video to show free fall speed.

reply to post by pteridine

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The proof of thermite found in the dust can be read here:

www.bentham-open.org.../2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM

reply to post by dereks

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the only thing getting debunked is the government's story. Some people may try to apologize for the government's version of events but for the most part the truth will get out, and people will just have to make up their own mind. But from my perspective, the only debunked lies are the lies the government continuously speaks in order to prolong wars.

reply to post by dereks

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Umm, dereks, I said almost free fall speed. Again, almost free fall speed. Almost being the key word. The debris was at free fall speed. The build fell at almost free fall speed.

reply to post by dereks

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dereks; Here I was expecting a great scientific post and then we get a "probably" molten lead on a picture showing an orange to light yellow colored molten metal. Lead melts at 601 F. Before it would ever get to the 1800 degree, plus or minus, necessary for that color it would have hit the boiling point and become lead vapor. Lead boils, that is, vaporizes, at 1740 C. It really doesn't flow like a liquid after that. The important point is not that something was molten, it is the amount of heat energy pumped into the substance to make it pump out photons at the 580-625 nanometer (yellow/orange) wavelength. I don't care if it's Giordino Bruno being burned. Before he turned that color the fire has to be hotter than an uncontained hydrocarbon fire.

reply to post by Whyhi

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Ahh the backup batteries leaking argument. They've used that so many times on youtube it gets old. What part of 'alleged fujitsu UPS batteries' can make a molten stream of that magnitude?

Lets see, UPS batteries like the one next to me are usually sealed lead batteries with plastic, lead, water and electrolyte. What part of plastic, lead, water and electrolyte can cause molten plumes of metal? Hydrogen in free air/insufficient temperature problem still applies.

Furthermore, please apply the law of conservation of energy to any freefall 'collapse' and you'll see an inherant problem with the official theorytale.

reply to post by okbmd

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Airspoon , I'm disappointed that you actually posted those pics that have been debunked hundreds , if not thousands of times , right here on ATS .

I have yet to see those pics debunked in any satisfactory manner. A simple "photoshoped" answer doesn't cut it, as I have seen no evidence to suggest that they are photoshoped, even under close scrutiny. Furthermore, the pics correlate directly with witness testimony.

As far as the "angled-cut" photo, I have heard the iron-worker excuse before and while I agree that there is a possibility iron-workers could have cut those beams, it certainly hasn't been proven. If you look at the photo, the cut is very sloppy and it doesn't extend all the way to the bottom. Thermite creates a sloppy mess of the metal, something that obviously happened here with jagged edges and dripping but hardened metal running down the column and even a chunk out of the top.

Here is a bigger photo for better reference:



Look where that beam is. From what little information we can ascertain from the picture, it doesn't appear as if that column would have been immediatley attended to by the iron workers. It would seem that the rubble around that column would be cleared before cutting it down, if for nothing other than saftey due to the "timber" effect, though certainly as common sense seeing how it would have been much harder to get to it. Also, look at the firefighters in the picture, part of the rescue operation, presumably before the clean-up began. Were there firefighters there during the cleanup? Sure, though not many (relatively speaking) and they were not combing the pile.


Furthermore, due to the flimsy case put on by the government and OCTs, I feel that the burden of proof is on government. The people are owed an explanation as to what either happened or didn't happen. The point that I try to make through all of my 9/11 threads, is that we don't know for sure and we hardly have any information about what, how and why happened, along with who is at fault. A simple independent investigation would easily provide the information that many of us are seeking. Why anyone wouldn't want a real invesrtigation is beyond me, especially seeing how freedom is on the line and liberty is nothing more than a distant memory. America, being the beacon of not only freedom, but liberty and justice too, was provided the death blow on 9/11 and since it was such a hefty price to pay, we should all at least know if it was worth it and warranted. Such a cloak and dagger process would not have been tolerated just a few decades ago. If the OS can't be proven or is disproven, then we need an investigation. The price we had to bear is far too much when the whole case is based on the word of the government and a few administartion and industry insiders.


--airspoon

reply to post by 4nsicphd

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it is not molten lead.
lead stays the same grey dull color

reply to post by GhostR1der

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your calculations of the traveled distance of an object falling from 1150 feet is incorrect.

gravity accelerates an object at a -32feet per second per second.

At the very start of the first second the object has not moved.
at the end of the first second the object is travelling at 32 feet per second.
at the end of the first second the object has fallen a total distance of 16 feet.

at the end of the second second the object is travelling at 64 feet per second
at the end of the second second the object has fallen a distance of 48 feet.
at the end of the second second the object has fallen a total distance of 16-48 feet or 64f

3sec velocity is 96 fps.
3 sec distance is 80 ft
3 sec total distance 144 ft

4. 128 fps
4. 112 ft
4. 256 ft

5. 160 fps
5. 144 ft
5. 400 ft

6. 192 fps this is slightly above terminal velocity (terminal velocity is 125 mph or about 187 fps)
6 176 ft
6. 576 ft about half of the height.

7. 192 fps
7. 176 ft
7. 752 ft total distance

8. 192 fps
8. 176 ft
8. 928 ft total distance

9. 192 fps
9. 176 ft
9. 1104 fet total distance traveled.

it will take @ nine seconds for a free fall object to hit the ground on earth, using terminal velocity of 125 mph.

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