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Molten Steel and 9/11: The existence and implications of molten steel in "the pile".

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posted on Nov, 8 2010 @ 09:19 AM
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Exactly...Let's suppose TWO space shuttles had blown up on takeoff, within hours of each other...

Would that raise any questions/concerns for you?


Well , of course it would , especially if both of them had been hit by airplanes .




posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 11:05 AM
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Just found this video, thought it should be added here:



6 weeks later they have molten steel! All this from a plane hitting a building? I don't think so.



posted on Aug, 30 2013 @ 09:15 PM
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How do you determine that it is steel? Are there zero alternatives that make more sense?



posted on Aug, 30 2013 @ 09:53 PM
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I'll take the word of the men who were on scene that it was molten steel.



posted on Aug, 30 2013 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity
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I'll take the word of the men who were on scene that it was molten steel.


That doesn't make any sense. No one can determine the composition of a metal by the way it looks.



posted on Aug, 31 2013 @ 08:43 AM
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Look, people on scene who saw the stuff dripping from the beams being picked up, felt the heat said it was like a foundry. You can play all kinds of mental games with this if you want. You saying, "They were not metal testers and so they can't say it's steel" just reminds me of Bill Clinton when asked a simple question said, "Well, that depends on what the definition of "is" is."

The stuff was hot, it was flowing, it was from a demolished building that collapsed filled with steel beams, it's seen running off the beams, many beams appeared seared off as with a torch, and they found mounds of metal fused into a ball.

If you want to say it's not metal cause the men on scene who have experience with this stuff say it's molten steel I'll accept their claim and what my eyes saw in the videos.



posted on Aug, 31 2013 @ 08:53 AM
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Do you trust your eyes? No huh...



Look, they rushed to destroy evidence, NIST ignored evidence and dozens of independent eye witness reports and said there were none. You can trust the government's accounting of this if you want, I am showing you why I don't.
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posted on Aug, 31 2013 @ 10:35 AM
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Look, it's a simple concept. There was a lot of different metal in the pile. Different metal has different melting/red-hot points. Smoldering also causes extreme increases in localized heat.

All I'm saying is that a person cannot identify the type of metal with their eyes. That's not really a major thing to claim.



posted on Aug, 31 2013 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by Varemia
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Look, it's a simple concept. There was a lot of different metal in the pile. Different metal has different melting/red-hot points. Smoldering also causes extreme increases in localized heat.

All I'm saying is that a person cannot identify the type of metal with their eyes. That's not really a major thing to claim.


So, they are picking up piles of steel beams and some of them are glowing and because they didn't get out a metal tester, you want to think it's not steel. I will let common sense tell me those beams not glowing are reported to be the structure and cut up and sent off to china forth with, are also the same as the glowing red, yellow and orange sort.



posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 12:16 AM
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Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity
So, they are picking up piles of steel beams and some of them are glowing and because they didn't get out a metal tester, you want to think it's not steel. I will let common sense tell me those beams not glowing are reported to be the structure and cut up and sent off to china forth with, are also the same as the glowing red, yellow and orange sort.


I feel like we need to start from ground zero, figuratively speaking. Wipe the slate clean, as it were, since I've been away from this site for some time and my knowledge is outdated. I found this article:

www.vpnavy01.com...

So, I do not argue that the steel was cherry red and very, very hot. Now, I am curious what that means. The person in the article seems knowledgeable about smoldering, and talks about how without oxygen, a red-hot beam will remain that way for a very long period of time while surrounded by material that will not wick the heat away.

Are you arguing about how the beams got red hot?



posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by filosophia
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The proof of thermite found in the dust can be read here:

www.bentham-open.org.../2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM


A link to college courses and dental journals is what you think is proof?

Just plain strange.



posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 12:37 AM
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Perhaps we should look into which metals actually melt at red heat or below and I don't believe steel is one of them. The temperature of 'red' heat is fully compatible with the measured temperatures of the fires but steel only anneals (softens) at those temps which fits the contemporary collapse scenario (steel melting not required).

This is all getting a little old and we should perhaps move onto more current topics.



posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by Grimpachi

Originally posted by filosophia
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The proof of thermite found in the dust can be read here:

www.bentham-open.org.../2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM


A link to college courses and dental journals is what you think is proof?

Just plain strange.


That was extremely outdated, but I actually found the archived version of the paper (The link system for it is screwy, so copy-paste both halves together if you want to view it):

web.archive.org...://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.pdf


Basically it's that thermite paper that had questionable tests and sources of dust.



posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 08:16 PM
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Almost every demolished building will come back positive for the components of thermite junkyards will as well.


Thermite is just metal rust and aluminum there isn't anything fancy about it.






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