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Tea Party Exposed

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posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 10:33 AM
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There is no conspiracy here. The Tea Party is a failure on its' own merits because its' members were naive enough to let Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck hijack their movement and some of the candidates actually support moving this country BACKWARDS as part of their agenda.




posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 10:42 AM
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See?
You have bought what they are selling. Where did you get the information that the T.E.A. Party has made Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck their anointed leaders? Of course, there are those that have because many frankly feel you must choose between two evils, selecting the lesser evil.
But the T.E.A. Party is much bigger than them two. The actions of our two parties have motivated the T. P., the fact that Sarah and Beck have jumped on is of little consequence to me.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 10:44 AM
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I have yet to see any actual proof that any of that came out of the mouths of any Tea Party candidate. Racist? Yeah, I think not. Have you ever been to a Tea Party? There is a whole variety of skin colors at them. Into beastiality? Are you kidding? Show me where any member of the Tea Party or Tea Party candidate endorses beastiality. And anti self pleasure? Jeez, please forgive them for trying to have some morals for themselves. I have yet to see where they say "you cant touch yourself!".

This is just more crap spewed forth and twisted out of context by the left and those Dems pretending to be Republicans.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by Ignorance_Defier
The Tea Party is now becoming apart of our everyday conversations, but who are they really? They are misinformed, uneducated, paranoid, quasi-patriots, who are afraid of becoming a minority in America.




Wow. Thats what they said about blacks back when they started to gain some political momentum. And quasi-patriots? Oh quasi! That liberal loophole for everything.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 10:52 AM
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I see some on here and more of late that point out how partisan ATS is becoming, how the big brush is used ect ect but cant say I have seen any of them on this thread pointing out the total hate job against the TP.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by Stewie
 


There is no conspiracy here. The Tea Party is a failure on its' own merits because its' members were naive enough to let Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck hijack their movement and some of the candidates actually support moving this country BACKWARDS as part of their agenda.



I like youre out of the closet progressiveness. But no the TP is trying to keep you guys from draging this country into a s##t hole.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by JonInMichigan
To become interested in, and to SUPPORT, the Tea Party movement, one only requires common sense and the ability to understand history and put it in modern context.

Funny, I'm both interested and at least support aspects of the TPM, and from what others tell me I have a pretty solid head on my shoulders.


Do yourself a favor, read the story of this country’s founding. Read the documents that explain why this country is structured the way it is, and your common sense should bring you over to supporting this movement.
Well, some parts of the movement.

No one needs Beck or Palin to convince them of what is right there in front of their faces, in American history and world history.
Well I would hope not considering both are horrible historians. Well, Palin at the least. Beck is on and off.

Anyone with any basic sense can understand why the people who support the Tea Party and why it is inevitable that the founding fathers ideals must win out in the end or this country is doomed.


Question; Which founding fathers ideals? Because amongst all of the founding fathers, you have a myriad of different ideas. There may have been 2 or 3 things they universally agreed on and that's it.


I feel sad for the young people today who are on the attack of this movement. You have been brainwashed by the schools and the main stream media and don’t even know it. There is no convincing you that you’re brainwashed, because you are brainwashed and therefore can’t see that you are a puppet of TPTB. Unfortunately, you have had a great disservice done to you by your education, or lack thereof. You shouldn’t be happy with how they have made you their slave, attacking those who speak out against tyranny.


Firstly, considering one can see people of all ages both within and attacking the TPM, attacking someones age as a debate tactic is really #ing stupid.

Secondly, someone of us "young people" are well aware of what school is, what it does to most kids, and how it conditions you. Like me. And I'm not exactly hateful of the TPM, but there's things I don't like about it.

Thirdly, considering I've seen plenty of instances of Tyrannical statements coming out of the Neo-cons in the TPM, I think you're the one who is brainwashed here.


I see venomous slams that those of us in this movement are all “old”. Yes, I’m 42 years old. You are obviously a young spoiled brat who grew up in the 90’s and you think you know everything about everything. We are all just stupid old people to you. Someday you will grow up and realize that you don’t know everything and you haven’t been around long enough to have even earned the right to criticize those who have more life experience than you.


Ah, the ol "I'm old, thus I know better" schtick. You know, there's this brilliant statement made by this old guy. May have heard of him. How the unexamined life isn't worth living? You know, Socrates? Now there's a lot of things this one little statement says, but it touches upon the nature of Experience, and how experience doesn't mean anything unless that experienced is properly critiqued. I can have 1/10th the experience you have, but if you've gone by your life mindlessly, your experience is irrelevant because you've learned and gained nothing from it. Not that I'm attacking you specifically, but don't play the age game with some of us. It just makes you no different than what you're trying to attack.



Shut off Ed Shultz and go learn something before you start cursing those of use who have our own minds and can use them.


Ah, I see. Anyone who disagrees slightly is just a mindless sheep and hasn't thought for themselves. I even had to look up who Ed Schultz is. I try to stay away from MSNBC; the amount of grinding of Obama's dick on the channel nearly makes it a homosexual softcore porn network.


For the moment, you are the idiot.




MMm.....nah...see, If I was an idiot, I wouldn't have made a long winded post in which I chastise someone for doing something and yet, conversely, from a certain perspective you are just as guilty of what you are chastising people for doing.

That is the hallmark of an idiot.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 11:43 AM
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I would have been more polite debating someone like you. I appreciate and respect your response. I was pretty flamed by the first three pages of posts that said nothing other than TPM people are dumb, uneducated hicks, which I think is a bunch of crap and completely untrue. Therefore my response was equally nasty, but you’re right in implying that two wrongs don’t make a right. I do reserve the right to defend my political views with the same ferocity that the OP is using which is clearly political trolling.

I agree that the founding fathers bickered as much as we do on ATS and they had many diverse schools of thought. I do think that what they came up with in the end was a very good document that put all sorts of checks and balances in to limit our government’s powers. They also had the forethought to know one day the oligarchy would buy and sell the elections and everything would be dismantled that they had put in place. They didn’t delude themselves into believing that this country would last forever as they laid it all out. It couldn’t last forever and no country ever has lasted for too long with this form of government. It’s just the nature of it and they knew that.

They put in three very important safeguards to give the American people one last ditch effort to combat the complete control of corporate fascism and the bourgeois, which they knew was inevitable. Those safeguards are the 1st, 2nd, and 10th amendments.

The TPM is simply the American people exercising the “emergency save the original constitution plan” (let’s call it). The support for this concept hovers between a solid 10% of us that tried to nominate Ron Paul and the 25% or so that presently are listening closely to the TPM and considering what it means to them. It’s a small percentage of people in this country who care to try to preserve the “old ways”. I don’t expect us to win this battle, but why not try? I expect to be cursed and belittled by the main stream and people who want, desperately want, this progressive change.

What I don’t understand, and neither do most other TPM supporters, is why they would want to change to a system that has proven over and over again throughout history to devolve quickly into full on communism and dictatorships. It always has and always will. Any time you give absolute power to a government over your health care, food, housing, etc, those jerks will abuse it. Why are all these people so trusting of their government to control so much of their lives?

So yeah., some of us are going to try to stop the change and the rest of you will hate us for it. If you guys win this battle, one day 20 years from now you will be wishing you had chose the other side. I really believe that in my heart but you’ll never know until it’s way too late. Good luck. I’m going to stick with my principles and keep fighting for the TPM no matter how much abuse I take.




edit on 16-9-2010 by JonInMichigan because: typo



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 12:16 PM
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Your problem is that you are ignoring the best thing about the TPM.

It's incredibly diverse.

Again, I don't hate the TPM. I hate aspects of it because it isn't true to what the TPM originally stands for.

You are failing to see what is happening within the TPM and how it is being manipulated by just about everyone.

The best way to highlight this split is you have Ron Paul, and you have Sarah Palin. Ron Paul is what we need; Sarah Palin is just a continuation of overinflated neo-con tyranny we had with Bush. Ron Paul is a devout Christian but keeps his personal beliefs out of political affairs. Half the time his personal beliefs don't even come up because he doesn't see it politically relevant.

The split is much more diverse than this but it's the main split and fact is, if you want the TPM to really work you need to destroy this other aspect of it. I am not a conservative, I am if I must label myself, a classical liberal much inline with say, Thomas Paine. I don't like Palin. I love Paul. And I don't even agree with much of what Paul says even.

It is a fight that needs to be fought if the TPM wants to create positive change. Because fact is, this isn't a Christian nation, it's a nation founded on the principles of Natural Rights, which while having an indirect connection to Christianity, is not in anyway related to it.

And these aspects of the TPM were created by those who you are trying to take out of power. This isn't a progressive, conservative, liberal, whatever thing. The Neo-cons of the Republican party and the progressives of the democrats are one and the same. It's like how Jesse Ventura puts it; it's like the WWE. You have heels ("bad" guys) and faces ("good" guys) who have battles with the roles changing sometimes. And after the show they get together and see how much money they made, pat each other on the back, and get a beer.

It's a problem that has existed for a long time and has hidden itself with societal manipulation of terms and concepts such as left and right to make sure people don't see it and instead bicker. It's like two heads of cereburus bickering with one another, distracting everyone while the third head feasts on those being distracted.

The problem is both statists wanting to take over and corporatists wanting to make money; Statists know control of a people easily comes through economic means and corporatists know that having a state demand certain things (COUGH HEALTH CARE COUGH) can make you a loooot of money. Not to mention you have the military-industrial complex where they make money by making things to defend their interests which make money. Convenient, isn't it?

The private and public sectors are becoming one. THAT is the problem. Fact is, communism, fascism, corporatism are all the same; theoretically all different, pragmatically all the same. The roots of the TPM knows this and sees this but the media, neo-cons and progressives created radical elements in the TPM to distract away from this.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 12:41 PM
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"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Mahatma Gandhi

Wow this seems to be quite fitting recently.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 12:57 PM
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Do you actually believe the facts you stated support your postulation of causal effect or are you merely throwing out a bunch of well sounding words in the hope of persuading some dumb right winger that they are on the right track and facts support them.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 01:06 PM
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I agree with everything you said and gave you a star.

But, you were not the one I was defending against in my original post that you replied to.

If I could make Palin and even Beck stay the heck away from the TPM I would. There are others too.

Look, I would just be happy if we could:

Audit the Fed (then eliminate it)
Preserve the full extent of the 1st, 2nd, and 10th ammendments without being fought on it every day.
Keep the government out of our health and food.

Those would be a really awesome start!



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by Target Earth
these are all just regular people... What is the problem? this really has not exposed much of anything, besides your agenda.... These are all just everyday people... I guess you feel superior too, cause you seem to spend a lot of time bashing them.


They're everyday people who tend to be quite ignorant/stupid yet want sweeping change. When you impose sweeping change (or a return to defunct/tyrannical former ways) based on ignorance, then that makes you dangerous. I've found that there are stupid people on the Left as well... but not NEARLY as many and not NEARLY to the degree of right-wingers.

I don't care if the tea-party is composed of grandmas (which to a large extent it is)... it needs to be castrated before it screws this country up royally. There's nothing worse than a group of people who have been brainwashed to think they're doing the right thing and end up fighting for the worst things. And that's exactly what's happening, I won't pretend they're just another legit cause fighting for their rights... only a small fraction of what they do is legit, the rest is just the furtherance of a quasi-fascist agenda disguised as benevolent freedom-fighting.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 04:10 PM
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Oh great, another thread on the Tea Party that COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTANDS the movement.

It's a cross-section of all America - rich and poor, blacks, whites, hispanics, liberals, conservatives, ... and then just like America, about 5% are whacked out insane nutjobs.

The only thing they all have in common is demanding fiscal responsibility from Congress. That's it. But it's such a powerful issue that you have FRAUDS like Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, who are merely using it to conquer a fresh up-and-coming demographic. Whether you're on TV or in politics, it's all about the popularity.

By your approach, I could point out Barney Frank, and make a thread titled "Democrats Exposed" with the assumption that every Democrat supports running prostitution rackets out of their own homes.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 04:15 PM
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The scare tactics aren't going to work.

The left and the right have had their chance and have managed to drive the country to the brink of financial collapse.

Time for some new blood in politics.

Get used to it.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by NoHierarchy

Originally posted by Target Earth
these are all just regular people... What is the problem? this really has not exposed much of anything, besides your agenda.... These are all just everyday people... I guess you feel superior too, cause you seem to spend a lot of time bashing them.


I don't care if the tea-party is composed of grandmas (which to a large extent it is)... it needs to be castrated before it screws this country up royally.


And the democrats and republicans haven't #ed this country up beyond all recognition? Made us a shadow of our former power?

Get used to it friend. The Tea Party is not going anywhere.


edit on 16-9-2010 by Darkrunner because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by Stewie
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See?
You have bought what they are selling. Where did you get the information that the T.E.A. Party has made Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck their anointed leaders?


What?, you mean like that Tea Party O'Donnel(?) woman that even here in New Zealand was on the news last night who in some speech that for some reason was shown here (why i dont know) has her basically mimicking Pallins verbal drawl and thanking her in a sideways fashion and more or less saying, we couldnt do it with out ya?...

They might not say it openly but if Tea Party candidates who get voted into positions or are in a position to run for positions give lip service then there must be some connection.

As a pure outsider all I can say to you Americans is... the Democrats are bad, the Republicans are bad, but my god the Tea Party or what the movement has now become are far far far worse... and you will reap what you sow if you by some random fluke of stupidity get them into power.

And what scares me is... somehow i could actually see that happening. (And thats where i think the notion of uneducated comes from, its not that their supporters arent intelligent, they are just so blind supportive "hey that guy loves blue, I love blue, ill support them!"... or maybe that is a sign of a lack of intelligence.)


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posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 04:26 PM
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To want my government, state and federal, to stop spending my tax dollars so carelessly has earned me the label of "misinformed, uneducated, paranoid, quasi-patriots, who are afraid of becoming a minority in America." This is beyond ignorant but a very nice rant, hope you feel better now that you got that off your chest.

Let me address you thesis point by point:

misinformed, uneducated
Some of the people that believe what I believe may be misinformed and uneducated but the national debt speaks for itself, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know owing someone 13.5 trillion dollars is bad.

paranoid
I think I am about as paranoid as you, after all we are on ATS, a CONSPIRACY website.

quasi-patriots, who are afraid of becoming a minority in America
How do you know what color I am? America is the melting pot of the world, has been for a long time. Patriotism has nothing to do with skin color. And when people who just want our government to represent the people that elected them NOT their own self-interests becomes the minority in this country, this becomes a country I no longer will call home.


“If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names.”
- Elbert Hubbard



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by Darkrunner

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

Originally posted by Target Earth
these are all just regular people... What is the problem? this really has not exposed much of anything, besides your agenda.... These are all just everyday people... I guess you feel superior too, cause you seem to spend a lot of time bashing them.


I don't care if the tea-party is composed of grandmas (which to a large extent it is)... it needs to be castrated before it screws this country up royally.


And the democrats and republicans haven't #ed this country up beyond all recognition? Made us a shadow of our former power?

Get used to it friend. The Tea Party is not going anywhere.


edit on 16-9-2010 by Darkrunner because: (no reason given)



What I'm saying is- there is already a resistance/activist movement that knows what it's doing and gets its facts straight. The Tea Party is a bastardization of the concept of a resistance movement considering the people who compose it and the ideas they espouse... it's composed of some of the most UN-oppressed people on the planet and espouses ideas which would HURT the planet's slave class. Of course there are different people within the Tea Party who espouse different views... but I say until the movement IN GENERAL wakes up and leaves its island of ignorance, it will be my enemy.


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