Pentagon bodies from Flight 77

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posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 12:01 PM
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Sorry, but I can't discern what you thought you heard....what was picked up on the camera's soundtrack were some rather "off-the-cuff" theories and comments, in the heat of the moment, by people who were just talking out of their....ermmmm, shall we call it rear passageways?


A guy handling a very smallish shard of (obviously, to me at least) aluminum, with the characteristic rivet patterns and metal shapes, and painted with the typical zinc chromate (the yellowish-greenish color) that is designed to inhibit corrosion in aluminum.

His comment to the extent that it was "too light" is nonsense, and although he acted as if speaking with some authority, he obviously didn't know, nor have the experience, to make such a claim. Anyone who's ever been up close and personal with an airliner for any length of time will understand.

Finally...."Marine Corps Emblem" (if I recall, that was alleged earlier, regarding this video)? I saw none, nor did I hear it in context referred to regarding that piece I described above.

I see no "conspiracy" here.

I must say, though....had not seen that interview with Porter Goss before. I am outraged that, as an airline pilot, and for that matter the industry, and our own in-house security apparatus at every airline, that WE were not kept better informed by our own Governent of their contemplations about air piracy and the use of the airplanes in a suicide manner. THIS is something that should be looked into more --- and is likely one of the many tips of the iceberg of "cover-ups" that has led to all these other feelings of something being "fishy" vis-a-vis 9/11, and the red herrings that have sprouted up as a result --- fueled by such rampant paranoia and imagination that is astonishing.

This after-the-fact sense that they SHOULD have included their plannings and thoughts about it, and established procedures to have us be more alert (as we are now, of course). Until then, ALL of our training about air piracy incidents was based on PREVIOUS encounters and events, and used as templates for response.

The worst examples (prior to 9/11) of any "suidical" attempts had come from in-house disgruntled employees. But, they were isolated, and thought to be so unlikely, as to have been just "one of those things" that happens. Like, the rash of workers "Going Postal" and shooting up their office workplaces.

The idea of a concerted, co-ordinated multiple air piracy "operation" (if it had been contemplated by those eggheads that Porter Goss chaired) was never disseminated to the people who really needed to be made aware, and could develop procedures. That sort of thing starts first, WITH the awareness.




posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by thedman
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Yeah. Have they asked the families if they can release the names? I guess we can only speculate. In all cases - unless a family came forward - we just have to trust that when they say that body is of someone on the plane, killed in a crash, then that is what it is, and not a Hollywood set or a shot from an entirely different place and time. I would think there would be an effort to ask families to come forth to relieve us of our doubt.


Explain how personal effects of the passengers on AA77, like an engraved wedding ring, are fake?

Example Susan Calley ring was found on her remains and returned to her family.....



Hmmm. I don't believe that I said they were fake. In fact, I can think of several ways they could have been obtained and planted. Also... Perhaps we are merely told that Susan was killed as she seemingly was, and that the body died elsewhere under differing situations.

You also might notice that I am not saying this DID happen. Just that it could have, and if it could have, we can't rule out clever plans of nefarious nature. (Many examples of such clever plans can be found in history, so we might presume there would be those who would take advantage of what they have to work with in creating a myth to cover their nefarious plans...)

Why do so many not consider other ways things could have come about rather than jumping to embrace any datum as a child might the security blanket, claiming it proves anything?



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by Amaterasu

Originally posted by thedman
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Yeah. Have they asked the families if they can release the names? I guess we can only speculate. In all cases - unless a family came forward - we just have to trust that when they say that body is of someone on the plane, killed in a crash, then that is what it is, and not a Hollywood set or a shot from an entirely different place and time. I would think there would be an effort to ask families to come forth to relieve us of our doubt.


Explain how personal effects of the passengers on AA77, like an engraved wedding ring, are fake?

Example Susan Calley ring was found on her remains and returned to her family.....



Hmmm. I don't believe that I said they were fake. In fact, I can think of several ways they could have been obtained and planted. Also... Perhaps we are merely told that Susan was killed as she seemingly was, and that the body died elsewhere under differing situations.

You also might notice that I am not saying this DID happen. Just that it could have, and if it could have, we can't rule out clever plans of nefarious nature. (Many examples of such clever plans can be found in history, so we might presume there would be those who would take advantage of what they have to work with in creating a myth to cover their nefarious plans...)

Why do so many not consider other ways things could have come about rather than jumping to embrace any datum as a child might the security blanket, claiming it proves anything?


Well I suppose it COULD be that all the passengers and crew of AA 77 were pulled up in a UFO tractor beam, all their essence probed out , and their husks teleported to the Pentagon. Got to keep an open mind.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 11:18 PM
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Okay this is actually a reply to my original question. Others have said the bodies reported found from Flight 77 , was simply a lie by the government, since they lied about many other things related to that day. Thanks!! I know it's a theory, but it was an actual answer to the OP. Maybe someone else will take a shot at explaining the bodies or lack of?



posted on Sep, 19 2010 @ 12:16 AM
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Okay this is actually a reply to my original question. Others have said the bodies reported found from Flight 77 , was simply a lie by the government, since they lied about many other things related to that day. Thanks!! I know it's a theory, but it was an actual answer to the OP. Maybe someone else will take a shot at explaining the bodies or lack of?


What lack of bodies is that ? The passengers on AA77 were accounted for, the hijackers were identified by
process of elimination - DNA profiles not accounted for otherwise. The DNA profiles included a set of siblings, 2 of the hijackers were brothers.

Personal effects belonging to the passengers were recovered from the debris - witness my previous post of
wedding ring of passenger found with remains

Again here is map of human remains recovered from the Pentagon



Blue = AA77

Orange = Pentagon

Again best reference for what happened at Pentagon is book "FIREFIGHT" - read it. Will answer all the questions of recovery of remains along with fire fighting and search/rescue activities.



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 01:02 AM
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A 757 never hit the pentagon. From the FDR report the radar altitude was 287 feet above ground, the NTSB tries to confuse the public using pressure altitudes but the rad alt is an actual altitude. Anyone can look at the NTSB flight report and apply the altitude pressure corrections and see for yourself. At 287 feet 2 seconds before impact, the rate of decent is not possible as what is seen in the released footage is an object flying along the ground horizontally into the pentagon. Yes people witnessed a 57 flying towards the pentagon but it flew over at low altitude.



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 01:43 AM
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Originally posted by Chordz
A 757 never hit the pentagon. From the FDR report the radar altitude was 287 feet above ground, the NTSB tries to confuse the public using pressure altitudes but the rad alt is an actual altitude. Anyone can look at the NTSB flight report and apply the altitude pressure corrections and see for yourself. At 287 feet 2 seconds before impact, the rate of decent is not possible as what is seen in the released footage is an object flying along the ground horizontally into the pentagon. Yes people witnessed a 57 flying towards the pentagon but it flew over at low altitude.


I thought the flyover theory had died a death. There is not a single witness to it.

As regards the Flight Data Recorder there has been further work on the final seconds by Warren Stutt. This has revealed that the final radar altitude was 4 feet at exactly the same moment as the maximum deceleration the device was capable of recording :-

www.cesura17.net...



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 02:48 AM
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A fly over would match up quite well to his findings.



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 04:35 AM
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Originally posted by Chordz
A fly over would match up quite well to his findings.


You must be joking . 4 feet altitude at the same time as off the scale deceleration !





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