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Social Engineering Bill In Senate Will Force You Into City

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posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 05:22 PM
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What you say is true about to old left. It's almost like the dems and the republicans swap points of view every few years.

So instead of trying to change eachother's mind lets focus instead on what needs to be done.

1. Close the borders no one enters with out going through a check point. ( this already happens at every airport )
Anyone that enters illegally treat them as potential terrorist and deport them if they are not.

2. Cut Government speding by 50% or more and get rid of agencies that duplicate services already done by the
several states.

3. Get rid of the Federal Reserve and let Congress do it's job regulating curencey.

4. Abolish any and all forms of intrest other than Simple.

5. End all wars and focus on what needs to be done in our own country instead. keeping in mind that any
enemy that attacks the US will be whiped of the map.

6. Abolish all Political Parties. Every election will be a contest between independants that are best chosen by
the people that will best represent their views.

There are many more but thats just a start.

We can gain our liberty back we just have to think outside the box.




posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 05:46 PM
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Oh great, another one of these threads about a bill and it's meaning - directly from a conspiracy propaganda site. Not only that, but as usual, it's full of people who haven't read the bill, or have read small parts of it and inject it with powers that it doesn't have.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 06:20 PM
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1. Close the borders no one enters without going through a check point. ( this already happens at every airport )
Anyone that enters illegally treat them as potential terrorist and deport them if they are not.


I would support that.



2. Cut Government speding by 50% or more and get rid of agencies that duplicate services already done by the
several states.


We could meet in the middle maybe? I propose that the states takeover each federal agency and turn it into their own independent agency. The federal government will collect the funds and distribute them to each states’ agency that it is designated to go to. This way everyone still gets but it is out of federal hands.



3. Get rid of the Federal Reserve and let Congress do its job regulating currency.


I would support that.



4. Abolish any and all forms of interest other than Simple.


Please define what you mean?



5. End all wars and focus on what needs to be done in our own country instead. keeping in mind that any
enemy that attacks the US will be wiped of the map.


I would support that. But we should bring all our troops home, close down foreign bases and exit NATO and other military alliances.


6. Abolish all Political Parties. Every election will be a contest between independents that are best chosen by
the people that will best represent their views.


It is inevitable that people with common interests will band together so abolishing political parties is not necessary. What we should do is reform the political process.




Here are my proposals:

Political Reform

Adopt measures for Direct Democracy such examples include:

1. The recall election (citizens may remove an elected official before the end of his term).
2. The referendum (citizens may decide on a law by popular vote).
3. The initiative (citizens may propose a law by petition and enact it by popular vote).
4. Judicial recall (when a court declares a law unconstitutional, the citizens may override that ruling by popular vote).


Government Reform

1. Remove the powers of law out of the hands of the Supreme Court, if they would like to challenge a particular legislation it should be sent to a public vote. If they would like to challenge a particular Federal Lawsuit they can make their decision but that decision must also be made by the House of Representatives.

2. Remove the Senate of the United States and create a one legislature government. The additional 100 seats will be distributed among the states.

3. Remove the power of the executive to override laws, also limit the power of the executive to merely signing and enforcing laws and commander of the military.

4. Allow state legislatures to override the federal government on deployment of their states’ troops.


Foreign Relations Reform

1. Exit the UN Security Council and persuade the UN to dissolve it and allow all nations be treated equally.

2. Exit all international organizations other than the United Nations.

3. Bring home all troops and close down all foreign military bases.

4. Constitutional amendment that declares neutrality.

5. Establish a tariff that would make up the difference in labor costs between two countries, that way all trade will be equal so there will not be a ‘race to the bottom’.


Economic Reform

1. Reduce the military budget to just 0.5% of GDP.

2. Set income tax on those making $1,000,000 or more to 33%, while reduce income tax on all other income brackets by at least 10-15%.

3. Raise the Corporate tax to a flat 35%.

4. Allow Gold and Silver to become currency again.

5. Re-establish Glass-Steagall regulations and end ‘too big to fail’.

6. Introduce Public Option legislation, while ending corporate insurance stranglehold on health care.

7. Allow states to decide their own regulations on business.

8. Crack down on abuse of welfare funds, frivolous lawsuits and corruption.

9. Keep and maintain Federal Social Security but allow an op-out for personal IRA’s and other retirement investments.

10. Require every US Dollar be backed by Gold, for every dollar we must have a dollar in gold reserves.

11. Disband IRS and let the states collect taxation and then give it to the federal government.


Those are just proposals, I have a lot more but that is just a few.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 07:15 PM
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I don't think people fully appreciate what this bill is about to do to them.


Dear C4L Member,

As if Senator Chris Dodd's (D-CT) Fed Empowerment Act weren't bad enough to go out on, he has vowed to pass S. 1619, his "Livable Communities Act," before he quits the Senate this year.

This bill, better called the Dodd Homeowner Control Act, was snuck through committee on August 3rd, and a final Senate vote could come as early as next week!

Nancy Pelosi has the votes to pass it in the House, and Barack Obama is sure to sign it.

I don't know about you, but I have no interest in participating with Chris Dodd, Barack Obama, and their radical environmentalist friends in their version of Extreme Home Makeover.

The Dodd Bill, in the spirit of the U.N.'s "Agenda 21," focuses on "sustainable development" and "comprehensive regional plans."

These are code words for government determining not only how you live in your own home, but deciding what your neighborhood looks like by using your tax dollars to bribe state and local governments into forcing your community to fit federal guidelines.

There is not a minute to lose. A Senate filibuster is the only chance to stop this U.N. power grab.

Under the guise of "sustainability" the Dodd Homeowner Control Act will create a massive new Office of Sustainable Housing and Communities, likely to be under the control of a "Development Czar."

Such a Czar would be tasked with imposing federal standards on energy, zoning, and housing that line up with the U.N.'s radical environmental agenda.

State and local laws and zoning would be wiped out.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 07:37 PM
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Oh yeah.

If any of you are PO'ed enough to do something about this, here's some contact info:

The Dodd Homeowner Control Act (S. 1619) has passed the Senate committee and is headed for a vote on the Senate floor possibly as early as next week.

Take action to defeat this socialist scheme by signing the petition demanding your senators oppose the Livable Communities Act which really should be named the Dodd Homeowner Control Act.

Once you have signed the petition, please call Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell at 202-224-2541 and/or email him and insist he organize the Republican caucus to filibuster this globalist power grab.

Please also call Senator John Thune, Chairman of the Republican Policy Committee, at 202-224-2321 and/or email him to demand the Republican caucus adopt opposition to this agenda as its official policy on the Dodd Homeowner Control Act or any similiar future attempts.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir
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4. Abolish any and all forms of interest other than Simple.
Please define what you mean?



You have a 5% intrest rate advertised but over a 30 year term it's more like Principle X 2 Ex. $120,000 loan @ 5% APR you pay 644.19 per month and you pay over 360 months that comes to a total of $231,908.40

$111,908.40 is intrest so the true intrest rate is 93.25666666666666% Banks and Lenders mislead people to make huge profits. That need to stop. Simple intrest would be a $120,000 loan @ 50% Simple in which $60,000 would go to the lender rather than and almost equil amout of the principle. Still that is high.







Government Reform

2. Remove the Senate of the United States and create a one legislature government. The additional 100 seats will be distributed among the states.



I disagree here. the Senate should be appointed by the states like it use to be.



4. Allow state legislatures to override the federal government on deployment of their states’ troops.


The state's militia ( now commonly refered to as the national guard ) should never be deployed outside the state unless it is to repel an invasion. That is what the founders intended.






Economic Reform



2. Set income tax on those making $1,000,000 or more to 33%, while reduce income tax on all other income brackets by at least 10-15%.



There should be no tax on the fruits of one's labor. Income should be defined as profit. If you agree that a fare wage for your labor or skill is $20/hour its an even trade. It is no diffrent than bartering. If I am a painter and a person or corperation wants to compensate me by providing me with the very best equiptment so I can do the very best job. Its an even trade I would not Profit from that. Theirfore I should not be taxed.

However if I gain profit by investing and turning $1,000 into $2,000 That could be taxed as its a profit.






7. Allow states to decide their own regulations on business.



Its already done.






9. Keep and maintain Federal Social Security but allow an op-out for personal IRA’s and other retirement investments.



I agree here as long as its tax free after 62 years of age.

So we agree about 90% and can agree to disagree on the other issues.

The key is to get the Goverment out of regulating ever aspect of out day to day lives while maintaing law and order, and keeping us safe from invasion.

I should point out that I am a Liberterian and have helped several people in my state get on the ballot as such. I will be running locally in 2011.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 07:55 PM
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Just to let you know I am a Progressive.


I am not running for office... yet. But I'm quite sure I would be labeled a radical on almost everything, except taxes.

I supported Ralph Nader's idea, "Why should we tax the fruit of people's labor when we can tax the illegal acts of corporations." In my opinion the income tax should only be figured in when taxes on everything else do not cover what you have. For example, the goal should be to make everything work as good as possible, give it plenty of funding but not too much. Income taxes should be looked down upon and if your administration has to raise income taxes then you are doing something wrong.

That should be the way it works. Also I hate property taxes, they should be repealed immediately. If you finished paying on something and it is yours, you shouldn't be taxed on it.

Pretty much I'm quite close to Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich and Ralph Nader.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 07:56 PM
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First: Have YOU read the bill?
Second: Do you know about the UN Agenda 21 program?

It is unlikely that this bill will pass but it wouldn't surprise me.

The moment Government mandates where I must Live, I become a Rebel and in their eyes a Terrorist.

"May God have mercy on their souls, as I will have none." General Patton.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 08:00 PM
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I wouldn't know who to compare myself too. I am also opposed to property taxes. I looked at the Deed to the property where my house once stood ( before Katrina ) and didn't realize until I sold the land that I was listed as tennant not owner.

In governments eyes we are all landless pesants.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 08:39 PM
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After reading both the bill and UN Agenda 21 program, along with considering everything that is going on, the following can be stated.
The laws of the United States of America are very specific when it comes to the treaties that we will enforce and acknowledge and not. While there is still a debate on global warming, as UN Agenda 21 would look to deal with, but there are different aspects in the UN Agenda 21, that are suspiciously like many of the bills being moved and propsed through congress. They are using the global warming agenda, and instead of ratifing the treaty as they should, as it was not, are taking it apart piece by piece and then creating legislation to accomidate such. So in the UN agenda, there was a point of health care, and now we have a new health care bill. There is a point on resource management, and well would you look at that, tighter restrictions on the way the natural resources are mined and used. Well now how about that housing, well we need to make affordable housing that everyone can afford. And then there is nutrition and healthier living, so how about we change the living conditons on everyone, and regulate what all we eat and consume.
The bills that are starting to come out of congress and the way the money is spent is starting to make sense.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 03:40 PM
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This has nothing to do with land preservation. This is all about maintaining population centers to fuel the corrupt city governments and supporting the public employee unions, it is that simple.

Go all over this country and you will find areas where large, relatively urban areas have towns that wish to succeed. Houston, LA, Seattle, NY. In Seattle, what they call "Rural King County" has been looking to succeed from King County, which is dominated by Seattle for more than a decade. King County runs the state of Washington and it will never happen.

People are leaving cities and with their departure, the political clout of city politicians erodes and the power of city unions erodes.

The cities in the US are broken. Mass transit by and large is ineffective and the large initiatives are wildly over budget and are unsustainable absent a massive public subsidy by non-riding passengers. Large city construction initiatives are also incompetently managed, evidenced by the length of time it took San Francisco to repair the damage from the earthquake several decades ago.

This whole business is about the maintenance of power.

Now, there are utopian leftists who are in search for this "urban commons" kind of rubbish and while their motivations are honorable and decent, they are just being coopted by the power brokers.

If you really wanted to improve the life of the citizens, you would provide massive tax breaks to firms who actually took cars off the road by instituting innovative work models and using technology to enable folks to work from home or at minimum small local offices instead of driving into the city to go to work. That is good for the environment, its good for the productivity of business, it creates jobs. It also degrades the city power structure, which is why something slo logical is constantly resisted. The real solution is to shrink the size of the cities and actually break them up into independent entities which creates more competetion, in public services, schools, etc.

Small communities work. They facilitate more community, connectedness amongst residents and provide more control over the quality of life. Big cities don't work for a majority of the citizens. In New York, folks are commuting 1.5 - 2 hours to work each way to get out of the high cost of living, lousy schools and crime. In Chicago, the crime is so bad they are asking the feds to come in and assist with policing, in LA, the schools are awful and you have extremely poor communities juxtaposed against extremely wealthy ones, creating a divisive environment.

Lets invest in what works and that is not a large city



posted on Sep, 19 2010 @ 12:24 AM
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You get the same emails I do.

Not surprised.



posted on Sep, 19 2010 @ 05:23 AM
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I read the bill from govtrack here.

Am I just too tired to see where the bill is going to force me to move into a city? Providing for better public transportation, roads and walkable areas in a populated area is a bad thing because people will like it?


I grew up in a small, rural town with little or no public transportation.

I now live on the edge of a city where new homes are being built all around me with almost no increase in public transportation options. The area is swarming with more cars and more people with no additional transportation infrastructure in place. Bike paths are facing strong resistance from landowners, existing roads are maintained to the minimum without adding pedestrian walkways (read sidewalks), the only public transportation available barely extends to the outer rim of the city and still takes close to two hours to reach the city center...a 15 minute drive.



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