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UFO or Bird? Let's do some math

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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 09:21 AM
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Check out this vid on youtube
It's a video of a trail, and when taken somethings flies by at 26sec.
The screenshots show three frames of this flying object
The time elapse is from 00:26:250 to 00:26:300 that is 0.05sec(right?
)
The hight maybe impossible to measure, but from left to right is at least 10meters right?
So this bird, insect and for my opinion ufo flies: 10meters in 0.05sec. in KM/hour that is:
10M / 0.05sec x 20
= 200M / 1sec
x 3600= 720KM / hour.
Even when the distance is one single meter this thing flies at 72KM/hour!


This is my first thread for I know this is gonna be a tough one for a rookie I know
I and I allready convinced but please yes lett us discuss what else this could be


Peace and Love for all!
Time will tell! you think you're in heaven but we're livin' in hell!




posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by PositiveVibration
The height maybe impossible to measure, but from left to right is at least 10meters right?


Thing is without anything "solid" in the background it's too hard to gauge distance, it could be 10M, it could be 50cm and the results will be so radically different because of this.

Interesting video though.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 09:45 AM
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I think it's a fly about two inches from the lens. When it flys that close to the camera, it will appear very fast.
I hate math.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 09:51 AM
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fast ufo

youtube fast ufo

I would think the high flier with the trail might be a UFO ship with a crew.
How fast can the ship go, 300 miles per second according to inventor Tesla
about his ship.

Then why is the trail maker so slow when it might truly go as fast as the close
dark object.

No sonic boom as usual.
From either craft.
ED: I noticed an aura around the black ship. Looking good for a chase ship
for the high flier.


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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 10:08 AM
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Yes I know I can't convince some of you guys and I won't
but why don't you try it for yourselves?
get a camera or ur mobile and tape the sky when trailing
I am sure when you see it back on your computer in slo-mo
you'd be suprised what to find.... but the fly is a good theory...
still goes 36KM/hour when 50cm distance dough...

I have lot's of pics of strange things, also clips
and I would really love to hear your opinion about those too
but one at the time, right?



No chains around my feet but I'm not free..


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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 10:34 AM
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As have been mentioned before, there's no way possible to gauge what distance the fly/bee is from the camera.

However, in the three picture-by-picture frames, the first and the third picture shows the object to have somekind of opaque black spot on its side. This leads me to think that we're talking about wings. That said, it makes it easy to conclude that we're talking about an insect, the shape of the object supports this as well.

It's pretty obvious it's a bee or a fly, I think that's a reasonable conclusion.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by PositiveVibration
...The hight maybe impossible to measure, but from left to right is at least 10meters right?

The distance from left to right would depend on how high (i.e., far away from the camera) the object is.

If the object in question was only 20 centimeters from the camera, then the left-to-right distance traveled across the video frame would probably be closer to one-half meter.


edit on 9/15/2010 by Soylent Green Is People because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 11:31 AM
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Well how long is a video frame.
We see three images.
Perhaps 6 to 10 seconds for the passage.
If a bug you might have noticed.
So perhaps the unseen just became revealed
by the camera.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 11:58 AM
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Would the camera, when focused on the distant clouds, show a very nearby (10-50 centimeters) insect with the small, sharp, focused outline we see, or just a wide, soft blur, if anything at all? Ross



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Well how long is a video frame.
We see three images.
Perhaps 6 to 10 seconds for the passage.
If a bug you might have noticed.
So perhaps the unseen just became revealed
by the camera.

A single frame of video is either 1/25th of a second for PAL or 1/30th of a second for NTSC.

Assuming NTSC and the object traversed the screen in 3 frames that makes 3/30ths or 1/10th of a second.

If it was a bug close to the lens it may have only travelled perhaps 1ft. That means it was travelling at 10ft/s.

10ft/s converts to roughly 7mph.

Calm down.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 12:47 PM
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So do we make a triangle of arc to increase the one foot radius at 7 mph to see
the speed at 10 feet and 100 feet and so on to see a required speed at a certain
distance from the lens.

Also the image does have some size that might be considered to see how large
the object would be at a greater distance from the lens.

We might be dealing with a large object at high speed at a few thousand feet.
Although the object is below the clouds that is not unusual for the flight of
the fast UFOs.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
So do we make a triangle of arc to increase the one foot radius at 7 mph to see
the speed at 10 feet and 100 feet and so on to see a required speed at a certain
distance from the lens.


You can certainly do so if you wish. Although the 1ft I mentioned was not a radius but a linear distance travelled in front of the lens.



Also the image does have some size that might be considered to see how large
the object would be at a greater distance from the lens.


The object could have any size and be at any distance from the lens. The point I am trying to make is that it far more likely to be something small, slow moving and close to the lens (like an insect) than to say it is a large craft at long distance travelling at very high speed.



We might be dealing with a large object at high speed at a few thousand feet.
Although the object is below the clouds that is not unusual for the flight of
the fast UFOs.


Elevation is meaningless in this case. Its purely a matter of distance from the observer.

Please supply the manuals showing the flight characteristics of these fast UFOs.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 02:44 PM
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Please supply the manuals showing the flight characteristics of these fast UFOs.

all we have now for public viewing

in html form

Enjoy.
Inventors manual says 300 miles per second.
Works on horizontal and vertical forces.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:26 PM
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PositiveVibration.....

Congratulations for your first thread & your interesting video, which I can see has already sparked discussion!


Now.....

As I said to your before, I think it's a bug.....with the very outside chance it could be a bird.

You can't judge the speed or the size because you don't know how close it is to the camera.

If you looked into the focusing performance of your camera, that might give you some clues.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not


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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Inventors manual says 300 miles per second.
Works on horizontal and vertical forces.

Err...... I was hoping you could provide evidence of an actual high-speed UFO rather than a publicity stunt perpetrated by someone in the 1930s.

We believe what we want to believe I suppose.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:59 PM
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some fast UFO



it won't take long

I'd find the arc of the viewing area and see what numbers
work out.
Not doing the math just leaves the event to the naysayers.
ED: Due to the photographic sensitivity of the object, I mean
getting a dark object from so far away, means it is most probably
a black light emitter.



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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
it won't take long

I'd find the arc of the viewing area and see what numbers
work out.


I suggest you try to find out the distance of the object from the lens.



Not doing the math just leaves the event to the naysayers.


The OP said "Lets do some math."

Their maths was wrong so I did some correct maths for them. Specifically about how long a frame of video is.



ED: Due to the photographic sensitivity of the object, I mean
getting a dark object from so far away, means it is most probably
a black light emitter.


Please explain your knowledge of the photographic sensitivity of the object.

Please explain what a 'black light emitter' is?


edit on 15/9/2010 by Slippery Jim because: Removed a plural and re-phrased the last question.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 08:02 PM
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We know enough.
Passage at .1 seconds means at perhaps one mile altitude and one mile
for the passage the object goes 10 miles per second.

Bad news for any estimate so agents would rather keep the
object close like a bug.
ED: We have 3 examples of dark objects in the videos.
UV generated by fast UFO


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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by Ross 54
Would the camera, when focused on the distant clouds, show a very nearby (10-50 centimeters) insect with the small, sharp, focused outline we see, or just a wide, soft blur, if anything at all? Ross


It is a blur. The sharp edges are from aggressive anti-aliasing. Notice the multi pixel halo showing over use of anti-aliasing. Looks just like the bees, flies and bumble bees that are always ruining my scenic shots. Also notice the level of lossy compression and artifacts showing from the same anti-aliasing.

Just looking at the general size and shape and having dealt with this on hundreds if not thousands of photo's, I'd guess fly or bumble bee as others tend to have a more elongated shape.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
We know enough.
Passage at .1 seconds means at perhaps one mile altitude and one mile
for the passage the object goes 10 miles per second.

Bad news for any estimate so agents would rather keep the
object close like a bug.


No Agent here TeslaandLyne. I'm just an experienced photographer who has dealt with removing bugs from shots so many times I know one when I see it. Might be a bird a short distance away but I doubt it. That would leave a lighter colored edge and a more elongated shape. Even a small bird like a Chickadee can whiz by at over 30 mph by the way. This one is an insect though.

I hope for the real deal every time I click on one of these threads. I'll keep watching them and maybe, some day.

Now if I could get paid to do this, I could be an Agent and just quit if if something real is posted. What do ya think?



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