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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:50 AM
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Though I'm sure this post will be followed by a litany of replies calling me a "liar", a "pharma shill" and many uncreative variations of the two, I felt this was worth posting.

New study shows (again) no linke between thimerosal and autism




posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 05:26 AM
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So basacly the same old MSM propeganda, it is safe , stop being paranoid and just take the darn vaccines..
Great article btw..



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 05:33 AM
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In it, 14 authors tasked by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to investigate any link between vaccines containing thimerosal--a mercury-containing preservative--and autism-spectrum disorders found no link whatever.


I guess they asked with whipped cream and a cherry on top.

Ron Paul's right. scientific tyranny coming to a street near you.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 05:49 AM
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Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
Though I'm sure this post will be followed by a litany of replies calling me a "liar", a "pharma shill" and many uncreative variations of the two, I felt this was worth posting.
New study shows (again) no linke between thimerosal and autism


VneZonyDostupa.....

It is always such a great pleasure to see your sensible, knowledgeable work in this often troubled forum.

Thank you for offering some balance by posting this article.

A star & a flag for that is well deserved!


Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by ChemBreather
So basacly the same old MSM propeganda, it is safe , stop being paranoid and just take the darn vaccines..
Great article btw..




CDC isn't part of the "mainstream media". Scientists there are typically on a short, rotating tenure, so if you are suggesting they are being "bought out", you are suggesting that thousands of scientists are being bought out.

Don't you find that a bit unlikely? Not a single person out of thousands would speak out about being told to suppress data?



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:47 PM
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You are wrong, most people think everything they learn is the Truth and it is scientific Facts, which it is not, it is Forced to become Facts thru lies after lies and it just follows the Chain of students..

And, there are Many many Doctors who speak out against this, but people usually will not accept/belive or take it seriously... That is how screwed up our world have become...

Ive just watched an 7 part series with an Norwegian Electro Magnetic Sensitivity expert, and he said it too :
Science is so corrupt and wrong and serves nothing but and none other than the BigPharma...

(Edit to add Clip)



edit on 15/9/2010 by ChemBreather because: adding !




edit on 15/9/2010 by ChemBreather because: Added Vid



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:02 PM
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I keep saying this again and again. If people were to actually read scientific journals instead of listening to celebrities, they would see that we have managed to produce autism in rats through the use environmental stressors (constant white noise) during a critical period of development. These stressors cause certain aspects of the brain to overdevelop while other become underdeveloped. Out of all the research i have read on the cause of autism, none of it has pointed to vaccines as a likely cause.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by Xcalibur254
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I keep saying this again and again. If people were to actually read scientific journals instead of listening to celebrities, they would see that we have managed to produce autism in rats through the use environmental stressors (constant white noise) during a critical period of development. These stressors cause certain aspects of the brain to overdevelop while other become underdeveloped. Out of all the research i have read on the cause of autism, none of it has pointed to vaccines as a likely cause.


I wish I could give you more stars. I suppose you'll have to settle for one



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:15 PM
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I'm not well versed per se in vaccines but, why would they put mercury in them and exactly how much mercury goes into them? Doesn't mercury stay in the body for ever which means it would build up over time? regardless, this is interesting...faculty.washington.edu... - www.epa.gov...

I for one, as well as my Childrens mothers will not get our children vaccinated, nor will we. That's just our personal preference.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:16 PM
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You know there is a link in ATSNN that shows someone won 1.5 mil because there was a link between thermisol and autism..

Isnt interesting how the world turns?

::EDIT::

Here is the link I was talking about..

Family to Receive $1.5M+ in First-Ever Vaccine-Autism Court Award


edit on 9/15/2010 by ThichHeaded because: Linky Linky..



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by ChemBreather
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You are wrong, most people think everything they learn is the Truth and it is scientific Facts, which it is not, it is Forced to become Facts thru lies after lies and it just follows the Chain of students..


You clearly don't understand science or the process of scientific discovery. Scientific principles are constantly being re-evaluated and studied, which is why we still have verification studies being performed on things as simple as conduction pathways in the heart.

If something were published erroneously, someone would have eventually found conflicting data. To date, there is ZERO data to support a link between autism and vaccines. Quite contrary, actually, as studies have shown children who are vaccinated have a LOWER rate of autism.


And, there are Many many Doctors who speak out against this, but people usually will not accept/belive or take it seriously... That is how screwed up our world have become...


Then maybe these doctors should produce some studies, rather than anecdotes. Of course, this assumes there ARE doctors who think vaccines cause autism, which likely isn't the case.


Ive just watched an 7 part series with an Norwegian Electro Magnetic Sensitivity expert, and he said it too :
Science is so corrupt and wrong and serves nothing but and none other than the BigPharma...


Oh, well, if a Norwegian electro magnetic sensitivity expert says so...



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by ThichHeaded
You know there is a link in ATSNN that shows someone won 1.5 mil because there was a link between thermisol and autism..

Isnt interesting how the world turns?


You should read that case. The award was given because one of the vaccine's side effects (GBS) can lead to damage typically associated with autism-like syndromes.

It might help if you would read actual scientific sources and not MSM articles for science news.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:19 PM
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I saw that article and I posted it on my facebook page. I want everyone I know to be informed. I have a friend who was literally forced to give one of her children numerous vaccines at once and she wanted to have her child vaccinated with one vaccine at a time. She will no longer get any of her children vaccinated for anything.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa

If something were published erroneously, someone would have eventually found conflicting data. To date, there is ZERO data to support a link between autism and vaccines. Quite contrary, actually, as studies have shown children who are vaccinated have a LOWER rate of autism.



This is bs and you know it.. I have never heard this.. Actually the rate of autism went up due to the thermisol that was in the MMR shot..
If this is real prove it..



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by kimish
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I saw that article and I posted it on my facebook page. I want everyone I know to be informed. I have a friend who was literally forced to give one of her children numerous vaccines at once and she wanted to have her child vaccinated with one vaccine at a time. She will no longer get any of her children vaccinated for anything.


No one is "forced" to vaccinate their child. Every state has a very simple and quick waiver process which can be completed in person at the doctor's office, by mail, and in some state's electronically.

Your friend's lack of initiative or predilection for exaggerating doesn't mean she/he was "forced".



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:23 PM
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How many of these doctors would actually keep their jobs if they spoke out against some of these vaccinations? I think that is a valid point. I look at the infamous swine flu vaccine, that was rushed into production without sufficient time to fully study the effects. The swine flu kills less people than the normal flu so why the rush? Also, I know of a lot of doctors and nurses that flat out said told some parents I know that there was in fact no mercury in vaccines. That don't sit well with me.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by ThichHeaded
This is bs and you know it.. I have never heard this.. Actually the rate of autism went up due to the thermisol that was in the MMR shot..
If this is real prove it..


Prove what? That there is no causal link between vaccines and autism?

Thimerosal does not increase ASD risk
No causal link found between vaccines and autism
Court finds no link between vaccines and autism
No link between MMR and autism
Lack of association between MMR and autism
No evidence of thimerosal and autism link

These are just within the last year. Such studies (with similar data) go back nearly ten years.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by kimish
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How many of these doctors would actually keep their jobs if they spoke out against some of these vaccinations?


Probably the same number that speak out against private insurance and privatization of pharmaceutical research. They've all kept their jobs. I've personally sat on a panel that advised the local hospitals to refuse to barter with insurance companies, essentially giving the second largest medical lobbying group the finger, and guess what? I wasn't fired, I wasn't ostracized, and I wasn't talked down to.


I think that is a valid point. I look at the infamous swine flu vaccine, that was rushed into production without sufficient time to fully study the effects. The swine flu kills less people than the normal flu so why the rush?


Because no one knew for certain that the swine flu hadn't made the critical mutation that would have made it deadly. The vaccine was researched well enough to ensure safety, if a bit rushed, and the rate of adverse effects was perfectly in line with any other treatment.


Also, I know of a lot of doctors and nurses that flat out said told some parents I know that there was in fact no mercury in vaccines. That don't sit well with me.


The only regularly administered vaccines which still contain thimerosal are some variations of the flu shot. That's it. All other vaccines are thimerosal-free, as mandated to the manufacturers.
Thimerosal in vaccines



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:41 PM
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So we have that.. I counter with..

www.naturalnews.com...

IS what this says... is.. this..


Eli Lilly stuck to its "scientific" facts, but the truth began slipping between the cracks in 1999. After the number of immunizations rose to 12 to 15 per child, the public finally became privy to the possible dangers of thimerosal. One 1999 study revealed that some infants, due to a genetic or developmental factor, lack the ability to eliminate mercury. Trace amounts of mercury in these infants, when accumulated over several vaccines, could pose a severe health risk. Some vaccines, such as vaccines for hepatitis B, contained as much as 12.5 micrograms of mercury per dose. That's more than 100 times the EPA's upper limit standard when administered to infants.


This means that no other country would give thier people this but the US would.. There at last time I looked 1 and 25,000 or 50,000 people in Europe that have autism.. Today in the US my last check is 1 and 150..
(So you know my info is a tad outdated.. A couple yrs abouts..)

But its not because of the Mercury that was in the vaccines.. NOOO It cant be..

I can go on and on and on.. but the gist is That the thermosil in the MMR shot is what caused most kids to have autism consider most cases talk about how the kids convert mostly after that shot..

So you know I am going on personal exp on this one.. Cause the situation happened to my younger son..



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:50 PM
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I gave you a star my friend
, And props to you for standing up for what you believe in! I believe the whole ordeal may be blown out of proportion a little but I am against the vaccinations. I believe they are not for everybody, some people may get sick or develop something from the vaccines, I mean look what mercury does to the brain, we get enough of the mercury out of living everyday life . And Big Pharma IS all about the money, it's marketing, they way they push things.
My immune system is great, I never get sick and I haven't been vaccinated in over 20 years. My oldest son didnt get the swine flu vaccine and he got the swine flu, nobody else in my family did but now I believe my sons immune system is stronger for it.as far as my friend and the vaccinations for her daughter, the doctors said that if she wouldn't allow them to do all the vaccines ( I believe it was 3) at once that she would have to find another doctor that accepted her insurance. My friend just didnt think her daughter could handle all that at once. I think she would know her daughter better than a doctor, but I digress. Why wouldn't the doctor do the shots one at a time though? I don't know. I personally think a parent has a right as to what goes into their children s body and so forth. She did go through with the 3 vaccines in one pop, her daughter got violently ill and now her daughter has aspergers syndrome and that is why she will no longer get any of her children vaccinated.



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