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Who receives the interest payment on the US debt?

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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 02:50 AM
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I started thinking about this who actually gets the money? Is it China or the federal reserve? I have no idea.



Were talking 100's of billions every year were does this money go?


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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:12 AM
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The IRS gives every dime of individual income receipts to the Federal Reserve. Not one dime goes to the operation of the government.

Something to chew on.

Here is the interest payments since 1988- www.treasurydirect.gov...

2009 $383,071,060,815.42 *
2008 $451,154,049,950.63
2007 $429,977,998,108.20
2006 $405,872,109,315.83
2005 $352,350,252,507.90
2004 $321,566,323,971.29
2003 $318,148,529,151.51
2002 $332,536,958,599.42
2001 $359,507,635,242.41
2000 $361,997,734,302.36
1999 $353,511,471,722.87
1998 $363,823,722,920.26
1997 $355,795,834,214.66
1996 $343,955,076,695.15
1995 $332,413,555,030.62
1994 $296,277,764,246.26
1993 $292,502,219,484.25
1992 $292,361,073,070.74
1991 $286,021,921,181.04
1990 $264,852,544,615.90
1989 $240,863,231,535.71
1988 $214,145,028,847.73

Notice the interest payment I starred. Why would the interest payment go down, if the debt went up?

Rates changed so drastically, even though trillions were added to the debt, the interest went down.

Things are not right in Kansas Toto.

edit to add, forgot to answer the question.

The holders of US treasuries and bonds receive the interest payments.

Obligatory debt clock link-www.usdebtclock.org...

Look at the payroll and income tax part, notice it going DOWN?




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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:15 AM
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Thanks for posting the numbers. So are you saying the money goes to the federal reserve? I seriously would like to know who or what gets this money every year.


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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:18 AM
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there is a hellllll uuuvvvaaa question to ask.

maybe i shouldn't have posted in this thread, they might be watching.


great question,
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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:19 AM
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I thought Oprah got it.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:23 AM
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The funny thing is I bet the people watching dont even know. I tried to find it on the internet but I only found the question not the answer. You would think there would have to be a paper trail right?



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:25 AM
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Are you 100 percent on that fact? That does not add up.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:26 AM
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Well, who makes the payments on treasuries and bonds?

I have never held any, so I do not know the procedure.

I am assuming the one that puts out the bonds and treasuries is the one that would make the payments.

NOW, who issues the bonds and treasuries? The treasury dept or the fed?

I have never looked into it because it is a Madoff or Ponzeii scheme, plus we never get to see inside the workings of the fed, so who really knows what is going on in the bankers labyrinth.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:27 AM
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Originally posted by Subjective Truth
I started thinking about this who actually gets the money? Is it China or the federal reserve? I have no idea.



Were talking 100's of billions every year were does this money go?


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Into banks for redistribution, we fund our own personal debt, they recycle the money they take at a higher rate, when the banks "loan" us money, they get it "cheaper",

as I said they loan it; get richer and richer because of their position in the cycle, their "wealth" affords them the ability to "sell" money back to us.

We all believe there is value to our money,

it is just an illusion -

Some pays off this and that, above all they are selling a concept, that money turns into potential after is goes to the fed, it disappears and returns as quantitatively "more".


We deal in money, they deal in concept with our money, those that have enough to buy in, we do the work.


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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:28 AM
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So it is not 100 percent. I mean no disrespect I am just trying to find a simple question to a impossible question. Were does this money go every year?



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:29 AM
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The FR is supposed to be non-profit, with everything after operational costs going to the Treasury Dept. Key word here being "operation cost".

--airspoon



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:30 AM
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What banks get the money? And not all the banks can get it so what are the qualifications to get the money?


I am sorry about all the questions this one has been bothering me.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:31 AM
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So far I have 3 different answers one is the banks and the other is the treasury holders and yours is the treasury itself I am confused to say the least.




If anyone has a link to settle this I would love to see it.



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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by Subjective Truth
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What banks get the money? And not all the banks can get it so what are the qualifications to get the money?


I am sorry about all the questions this one has been bothering me.


The Big Boys, they reenter "capital" into the economy of the other side of it all.

The banks and creditors loan more than they have on reserve and count on us to pay it back... AT INTEREST

BANKERS get the money from the feds, They loan this money the fed "creates", fed loans to banks,
banks loan back to us...
(losts of loaning)
They create something like a VISA FREQUENT flyer card and loan the money they received at a higher rate.

Their wealth and position allows them to buy into and access the SOURCE of capital.

Its all a scam



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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:39 AM
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I think you might be right. This question does not have a simple answer and it should. You would think this money is accounted for somehow. Who holds the books? The treasury or the federal reserve or some other entity we dont even know about?



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:41 AM
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Originally posted by Subjective Truth
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I think you might be right. This question does not have a simple answer and it should. You would think this money is accounted for somehow. Who holds the books? The treasury or the federal reserve or some other entity we dont even know about?


the "MARKET" is the books, what ever the market decides, that is how the ELITES make fortunes



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:45 AM
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Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
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I think you might be right. This question does not have a simple answer and it should. You would think this money is accounted for somehow. Who holds the books? The treasury or the federal reserve or some other entity we dont even know about?


the "MARKET" is the books, what ever the market decides, that is how the ELITES make fortunes



I think you are wrong about the market being the book. This kind of money has a paper trail it has to. I have heard a few ideas on this subject but they are all just ideas. Maybe this question has no answer.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:46 AM
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Its like any business

We pay Feds our tax money

Feds loan banks inorder to continue the flow of capital

The Banksters and investors add to that capital and gamble it on the stock market

The facilitation of this creates jobs

They bill us, for what we use, then the fed taxes us too

We work, pay taxes, bills and do it all over again



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:50 AM
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Originally posted by Subjective Truth

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
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I think you might be right. This question does not have a simple answer and it should. You would think this money is accounted for somehow. Who holds the books? The treasury or the federal reserve or some other entity we dont even know about?


the "MARKET" is the books, what ever the market decides, that is how the ELITES make fortunes



I think you are wrong about the market being the book. This kind of money has a paper trail it has to. I have heard a few ideas on this subject but they are all just ideas. Maybe this question has no answer.


I am very sure of this... Supply and demand serves as the books (to a large degree), allegedly the Fed is there to deal with
clogged credit, glitches and regulation of the distribution of this capital.

When you see the stock market move that is the barometer the "BOOKS", the market is what people can make it, that is also the risk.


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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:53 AM
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Originally posted by Subjective Truth
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So far I have 3 different answers one is the banks and the other is the treasury holders and yours is the treasury itself I am confused to say the least.




If anyone has a link to settle this I would love to see it.



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Subjectivetruth, it 's so confusing because it's each of those and then some. We citizens of the world have to pay our dues and then some.




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