Originally posted by ArMaP
We can only be sure when we find them, but there would be legends and other oral records of a place that once existed on that place.
I had once read that Plato had received dictation of the legend of Atlantis from a pharaoh, and that this story was based on even earlier legends. I
can't seem to recover that text so I must assume this was one small interpretation. The legend however does place the civilization around 9600
Originally posted by JunoJive
Its the same predicament we are faced with when trying to ascertain if the myths of Atlantis have any truth to them.
Originally posted by ArMaP
That's the difference, there are no legends or other records, only Plato's writings.
In a normal case there would be legends from the places that had any relation to that civilisation that supposedly controlled the south-west Europe
and north-west Africa, and, as far as I know, there are and never was none.
Your point is taken, I do however maintain that at some point, being able to distinguish between oral traditions that became written and from purely
manufactured stories grows more difficult as time passes. Plato very well could have been attempting to preserve the very oral traditions you
describe. And with the region's tremulous history it would be hard to know for sure. If, for instance, the roman civilization had been wiped out and
buried by major catastrophe, leaving little surface trace of their existence, how would one know that this was a real place and not a work of
I mean comparatively the roman empire was quite a bit more advanced that most other civilizations on the planet at the time, save perhaps China. An
even better example would be Mesopotamia, where a civilization that has been proven to exist (although it was more of a grouping of civilizations**),
yet most major evidence of its existence has been built over, occupied and rebuilt, etc. And this was on land, where human beings were likely to
stumble upon artifacts etc.
I'm not saying that Atlantis did exist at all, merely that one must take into account the weathering effects of time, and the human need to embellish.
Atlantis may well have been another Babylon, embellished to seem wondrous and great.
We 'stumble' upon discoveries every day, some are hidden in plain sight. I know there is a school of thought that the pyramids were re-faced by the
Egyptians and had existed for some thousands of years prior to their occupation of the region. Maybe a topic for another thread, however one cannot
dispute that humans have never been very good at preserving our history, artifacts, oral traditions, or otherwise. I do, however, find it intriguing
that we, even as a fairly advanced society, have yet to satisfactorily prove that this several thousand year old myth, was just that, a myth. Then
again I supposed that's not where the burden of proof lies, is it?
*Source: Wikipedia (Atlantis)
**Source: Wikipedia (Mesopotamia)
edit on 25-9-2010 by JunoJive because: Fixing Tense