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Last week we saw a Florida Pastor – with 30 members in his church – threaten to burn Korans which lead to riots and killings in Afghanistan. We also saw Democrats and Republicans alike assume that Pastor Jones had a Constitutional right to burn those Korans. But Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer told me on “GMA” that he’s not prepared to conclude that — in the internet age — the First Amendment condones Koran burning.
“Holmes said it doesn’t mean you can shout ‘fire’ in a crowded theater,” Breyer told me. “Well, what is it? Why? Because people will be trampled to death. And what is the crowded theater today? What is the being trampled to death?”
Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by mnemeth1
Is anyone not a "Left-wing Communist Liberal" to you?
Originally posted by mnemeth1
Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by mnemeth1
Is anyone not a "Left-wing Communist Liberal" to you?
Sure, I consider GW Bush to be a left-wing fascist.
Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by mnemeth1
Is anyone not a "Left-wing Communist Liberal" to you?
Originally posted by Misoir
In all seriousness though, I don't think we have any Fascists or Communists in Federal Government. We just have Corporate Cronies who use the Two Parties as nothing more than a mask.
Being Liberal/Conservative to them means absolutely nothing more than just a way to keep control over the most devout Liberals/Conservatives.
Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by mnemeth1
Lots of credibility here. This is the same government who has been hammering the Muslims in the "stan" nations or what they call the "near abroad", most specifically Chechnya for a decade.
Originally posted by time91
I just had a brilliant idea! We should all go crazy when the pentagon destroys the copies of Operation Dark Heart!!! That way it will be ruled unconstitutional and they will have to release it!!!
But then again, the world runs on double standards.
edit on 14-9-2010 by time91 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MrSpad
You know the best part of this is how you just leave out parts of a story and then toss in some propaganda using words like "Supreme Soviet" and "leftwing communist". I suppose you left out the fact that what he is saying is that nothing is automatic and that courts will decide and study each case and in doing so produce debate on eact instance. This is not suprising as he is explaining how the American system works and the courts role in it. He does not say it is not and never says he thinks it is not constintunional to burn anything. Did you not understand the interview or did you just decide to ingnore it and make up your version of it?
Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by mnemeth1
I get it, but what if one of this joker's opinions get me upset? Does that negate the opinion?
If so, this could well be a good thing
Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by mnemeth1
I don't know about banning it, but serious reforms need to be implemented, most important of which is the lifetime appointment.
The current situation is that due to political concerns these folks hang on to pretty much death. The job is daunting and there is absolutely no way that someone in their upper 70s, let alone their 80's can reasonably do it. Reading about the last 10 years of Thurgood Marshall's term, he did nothing but nap and watch baseball. Kids out of law school write the opinions and tell these old dudes how to vote. Ginsberg is in the same position. How can someone riddled with cancer effectively do that job?
These folks should have a minimum 10-20 year term or an end limit of 70.
Originally posted by mnemeth1
Originally posted by MrSpad
You know the best part of this is how you just leave out parts of a story and then toss in some propaganda using words like "Supreme Soviet" and "leftwing communist". I suppose you left out the fact that what he is saying is that nothing is automatic and that courts will decide and study each case and in doing so produce debate on eact instance. This is not suprising as he is explaining how the American system works and the courts role in it. He does not say it is not and never says he thinks it is not constintunional to burn anything. Did you not understand the interview or did you just decide to ingnore it and make up your version of it?
Yeah, I left out the fact it was an interview while at the same time quoting the interview and providing a source link.
He said "he wouldn't rule it out" which is the same thing as saying "I think it should be unconstitutional"
Any idiot with even a smidgen of common sense can tell that if Breyer didn't automatically rule it out there is a SERIOUS PROBLEM with his logic.
It doesn't take weeks of academic debate or intense research to determine if burning a Koran is constitutional or not - HE SHOULD HAVE REJECTED ANY IDEA TO THE CONTRARY AUTOMATICALLY.
THIS GUY IS A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE FOR GODS SAKE
edit on 14-9-2010 by mnemeth1 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MrSpad
He does not say "he wouldn't rule it out" he does not in fact make any judgement on the matter other than it would be something that would be debated, studied and decided on by the courts just as any constitutional matters are.
Originally posted by mnemeth1
Originally posted by MrSpad
He does not say "he wouldn't rule it out" he does not in fact make any judgement on the matter other than it would be something that would be debated, studied and decided on by the courts just as any constitutional matters are.
That is the problem.
If you think its perfectly normal that a supreme court justice can't give a straight answer as to the constitutionality of burning books, you're nuts.
There is no reason - ever - that book burning should be banned.
This is not something that needs to be debated.
This is not something that needs to be researched.
This is not something that requires hours of agonizing thought and public debate.
This is grade skool level constitutional law.
Last week President Obama told me that Pastor Jones could be cited for public burning – but that was “the extent of the laws that we have available to us.” Rep. John Boehner said on "GMA" that “just because you have a right to do something in America does not mean it is the right thing to do.”
For Breyer, that right is not a foregone conclusion.