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The Left and "Progressives" Are Becoming A Cancer Of This Nation!

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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:24 PM
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This is exactly the type of Left/Right - Lib/Con - Dem/Rep - post that keeps us infighting and divided. By now it should be clear there is no representation by either side, that there is no transparency on either side. It is because of the doctrine of only two sides that keeps us choosing between them and giving them another 4-8 years at a time again and again to continue destroying who we are.

A people who were given a voice, freedom and who now only use it to argue one side or the other. There are options! There are other parties and much more American ground root options to choose from.

To me there is no left or right - to me it is just the left and right hand on the same evil beast!

Until we get away from "The Beast" and look at our options - this age old argument will continue on and on and our true freedom and voice along with any type of National stability will be destroyed while we sleep and or argue!




posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by mr. toddly
I am a progressive lefty, and I too am embarrassed by the level of partisan rancor I am hearing these days from the left establishment.


Feel free to give some cases...will wait while you find something to take out of context.

until then, lets just consider you -not- a progressive.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:48 PM
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Let's stop the bickering by bickering about the bickering.

Sounds like a good plan



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 05:04 PM
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Uhh, when hasn't the country been "polarized"? There has always been dispute and disagreements between parties and the people. From the federalists, to the black panther parts, to civil rights, constantly. It's the United States, where extreme free speech is advocated. There are people holding signs at funerals stating the person in the coffin is a "fag" because he was a solder and that God hates him yet you are complaining about leftists and progressives? There are much bigger issues at hand. I hate to break it to you buddy but just because you do not support Obama doesn't mean everyone else doesn't. There is a silent majority that do in fact support Obama.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by mr. toddly
I am a progressive lefty, and I too am embarrassed by the level of partisan rancor I am hearing these days from the left establishment. Others I know have also noticed this, and it's gotten so bad that many are simply turning off their radios and TVs.


Hi Toddly, thanks for being honest

you are a progressive.

Because it is progress to see and realize what you are seeing and realizing.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 05:57 PM
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Feel free to give some cases...will wait while you find something to take out of context.

until then, lets just consider you -not- a progressive.


SaturnFX, let's just consider you a liberal partisan who missed the entire point of my post.

I listen to a progressive radio station that used to be affiliated with Air America. I used to especially enjoy listening to Stephanie Miller, Randi Rhodes, Ron Reagan, and the guy who ultimately replaced Reagan's time slot, Norman Goldman. But one day it seemed as though someone had taken them aside and told them that they need to be more divisive, especially if they were going to continue criticizing the Democrats then they really need to bend over backwards to show how much more awful the Republicans are. Besides, divisiveness and name-calling makes for more entertaining radio, and get's the listeners fired up and devoted. Suddenly, it became non-stop Republican-bashing and name calling. Norman Goldman is continuously calling Republicans and conservatives "idiots. " And he lumps all Republicans, conservatives, tea partiers and libertarians together, as if to dumb down the left about what the opposition is really saying.

To me, the Right-Left dichotomy isn't fiction; it is based upon a true ideological divide with principled folks on both sides. Essentially, traditional Conservatives belief that freedom should be the pre-eminent value in our society and political system; that freedom should trump all other values. And traditional liberals believe that our society and political system should be based upon equality, and that no individual should be allowed the capability of exercising power over others.

Both positions are similar, but with very different interpretations and implications.Conservatives say that creating equality requires force, and that such force is an intrusion to and obstructive of freedom. Liberals say that as long as some have more power than others, they essentially have power over them, and that those under the power of others are not truly free.

Myself, I believe our founders tried to balance the two perspectives, but their were idealogues on both sides who set out to undermine their opponents and push forward with secret, traitorous agendas.

Eventually, the left elite somehow --with a fair amount of blackmail, I presume-- got much of the media, publishing, entertainment and academia on its side working towards its secret forced egalitarianism agenda, essentially a One World government. That left the Conservatives out in the cold, with few influential allies except for industrialists and corporations. But that left things still very lopsided. So, at a certain point, Newt Gingrich and others essentially decided upon a new strategy, and created the New Right. This New Right was nothing like the old right, as they tossed their principles out the window. (The left had done that long ago when it hopped into bed with Rockefeller, JP Morgan, Cecil Rhodes.) But the New Right turned to racism, classism, xenophobia, fundamentalism, and out-and-out lying and trickery to try to balance the scales with the left.

So here we sit. Our elite leaders have us divided up with each side trying to sabotage the agenda of the opponent; and neither agenda now, in any way, reflects the high-minded principles of the idealistic liberals and conservatives of many years past. It is all a circus now, scripted by our elite leaders to keep us busy, divided and cynical, while they determine our fate.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 06:25 PM
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Interesting thread and I do agree to a certain extent. However, as I continued to read it, one thing kept coming into my mind. What is so different from the Right? The Right is doing the exact same things that the Left is doing. Liberal this, Liberal that, bicker bicker bicker. It is all an illusion.

The Right and Left are two sides of the same coin. I have said this a million times, and I will say it a million more until people get it. There is no difference between the Right and Left. Democrats and Republicans are one and the same. They are just like a football team. In football, you have the Offense and the Defense. They dress on opposite ends of a locker room, and they both have different philosophies on how to win the game, but they share the same goal..... win the game. They are the same team. They just think differently in terms of how to win. That perfectly describes politics in the USA today.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 06:29 PM
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Divided and conquered.
Next country please.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 06:54 PM
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Havok, IamIam, and Jtma have been the only comments I have read so far that have made any good progress. We should not be arguing with each other when things go wrong. As far as presidents go we need to remember we have not had a "real" President since Kennedy. The point of going against the "establishment" was made clear. Cold and precise. These "elected" men serve as a Mickey Mouse-esque representative to the Disneyworld that is our Government. You see Mickey and he is the symbol for the Company. Shareholders and Businessmen run the show though.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 07:14 PM
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People blindly voted for George Bush and look at the mess he put this country in.
People will probably blindly vote for Sarah Palin if she runs in 2012.
I gather from your attacks on Obama you're a die hard republican. If you can't recognize the faults of your own party, your thread holds no water.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 07:17 PM
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NO politicians and people who keep voting the same 2 parties are the cancer. This problem Is people who keep voting the same 2 old ideas into power. How about stop finger pointing cause people like me are getting feed up with the finger pointing. Pretty soon the finger pointers might find themselves getting ask to leave the country they have so adaptive and narrowed 2 party viewed in to the mess that is at hand.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 07:20 PM
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Oh get out of here with that crap. Sure both parties are guilty of the partisan bickering but the right-wing ABSOLUTELY TAKES THE CAKE on inciting propaganda, partisan attacks, and a complete breakdown of rational debate and governance. Liberals are a cancer? GTFO... Conservatives have been a cancer for the past 50 years. It's time to let that ship blow up and sink. The reason there's so much division is that the right-wing, after Bush, was facing serious losses, embarrassment, and a decline in support. Their strategy was to unite the GOP and attack the "left" (which is actually center-right within the mainstream) with EVERYTHING THEY COULD in order to save the sinking GOP. The GOP was in danger of going away more or less forever. They pulled out every stop and now... you hypocritically prove my point by bitching about liberals being a cancer for inciting partisan politics when your party is responsible for the divisions by a freaking LANDSLIDE. If ANYTHING, the Democrats are being TOO LENIENT and soft on Republicans.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 07:38 PM
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I usually don t post.
I do believe that the left is stalling progress (progressive[oxymoron]) and they are getting frustrated because most of the nation is not buying their product, which is to allow government to grow and make people more more dependent on it. The progressive movement is and always will be a movement for those who lack power and want to "change" things. now that they have power is becoming more and more obvious that those cookie cutter solutions are not working out the way they expected. I'm a minority in NY and they ask how i would support conservatives and republicans.. they tell me that republicans and conservatives and all whites and rich people.. i reply this way.... I have never been offered a job by a poor person.. I have never been force to care for kids of the rich out of my sweat and tears... I have never had to pay for a rich person's mistake. I am poor but i really don't like poor people! can you blame me?
thanks!



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 07:40 PM
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I know it's popular to say both sides are equally bad, but....

I have to agree with this post. I think anyone with the ability to handle critical thinking and who is not being overly politically correct can see that the Right-wing propaganda of fear and anger is of an extreme and potentially dangerous nature. To suggest the president might be a secret Muslim terrorist... The right wants so badly to get back into the driver seat of the car they totalled, that they will do or say anything to make it happen, and they have used extreme forms of fear, anger, and distrust to do it.

After Obama was voted in, Republicans had a choice to help a divided country unite for the greater good... instead they have chosen to push for extreme division.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 08:05 PM
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it's not the left or right that is the cancer, it's the "I'm most definately right, and you are the enemy if you don't agree with me.."...that is the cancer...

I think that at the moment, the US could be threatened with it's ultimate destruction....
and, absolutely nothing would be done, simply because the two sides just ain't gonna work together, regardless....
their position, their special interest would take priority above the threat!!!

and, well, what else do ya do when you don't want to take on the difficult questions, except of course start squabbling with each other and start pointing fingers!!!

obviously, neither side has all the answers..8 years of bush with republican majority, before than clinton's 8 years, some of that with a dem majority, and now with obama's majority....
ain't nothing been solved! it's the same ole crap, just turned one way or the other!
we seem to get the best results when there is no majority, and well, the two parties actually have to work together!

and, I believe that both parties, if left unchecked would lead us to the same place.....
one believes that if they bestow those that "work hard" with more and more....well, it will trickle down to all of us....which well, bush bestowed alot, and where did it get us?? what ends up with that tactic it seems if a few, very few with lots of everything, and the rest of us working our tails off for nothing. add to that their religious fervor and more authoritarian way, well.....I believe it would result in a few elite holding everything, and the rest of us being dictated if we want half of our daily bread...
the other party wants to mother us to death, take care of us till old aged, and well, dictate us....for our own good!!!

slavery is slavery.....
do you want the slave master, or do you want the domineering husband...
personally, I don't see much difference...


edit on 15-9-2010 by dawnstar because: added a little bit to the end.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 08:13 PM
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Actually I think we've seen multiple attempts from the Left to work cooperatively with the Right...

Unfortunately, the Right has greater allegiance to their own political party than they do to the nation, which is why they have not cooperated at all, but united in total opposition to everything.

The Right can't even debate their issues fairly. They have become nothing without their media spin.

Even when the President says he will sit in a room and single-handedly debate a room full of Republicans on the issue of healthcare... the Right knows they can't win, they don't even want a debate, they only know SPIN, so instead of preparing for a real debate of issues, they spend two weeks using their media spin machine to say it's all a 'setup'.

There is no intelligent debate from the Right... there is only spin and propaganda based on fear, anger and distrust.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 08:19 PM
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actually I think that obama might have a problem with the dem controlled congress...
he seems more level headed, then the congress starts writing the bills, and by the time they are done....
well, it costs more than obama said he'd accept, has crap in it I don't think he approved of, and well...accept it, and the crap, or reject it, and start from scratch....



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 08:41 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by mr. toddly
I am a progressive lefty, and I too am embarrassed by the level of partisan rancor I am hearing these days from the left establishment. Others I know have also noticed this, and it's gotten so bad that many are simply turning off their radios and TVs.


Hi Toddly, thanks for being honest

you are a progressive.

Because it is progress to see and realize what you are seeing and realizing.

Toddly, don't stop being what you believe in your heart. The Left is how this country was started. Academia, you go on about how liberals and progressives are a cancer, well, our Founding Fathers were classical liberals.

Liberals, since the formation of the theory, have stood for the rights of others. Conservatism, especially social conservatism, has tried to ransack the country.

Look at Sarah Palin going on about how Muslims SHOULD BE PROFILED AT AIRPORTS! Look at Glenn Beck who goes on about how gay marriage would collapse the universe IF IT WERE LEGALIZED!

Conservatism has been a drain on this country for so long.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 08:51 PM
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You ask what am I going to do about it? You wrote the post... what are you going to do about it????



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 09:22 PM
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Yes I do agree the left is just commenting on the things the right says or does. All they do is bicker and act outraged buy things the right says and offer no solutions.

That's why the "left" and progressives are not the real left.

Vote socialist. And I don't mean what you would call socialist. I mean REAL revolutionary socialists. They get things done. Also support your local union. That's where all the action is. These talking heads and democrats don't know anything about real revolution.



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