The Left and "Progressives" Are Becoming A Cancer Of This Nation!

reply to post by havok


Indeed.

They are constantly seeding division.


The polarization implied by all the absurd cries of 'socialist' (As if Obama is anything near a socialist! As if that is even a rational argument.) seem to be artificially creating a divide. The media portrays all factions as a caricature of their true intent, or manufactures a faction out of their viewer/listenership with reality television tactics.

I don't see the grand scheme, but the direction of it is worrisome. what bogeyman will be blamed when we all finally truly discover we're broke and broken? Who will fall into the definition of whatever these vague terms end up being?

You? Me? My neighbor? My mom?

What's stuff like this even doing on ATS?

Originally posted by rogerstigers
reply to post by ModernAcademia

 

I think I get what you are saying, but I don't think it has anything to do with Liberals or Progressives.. I think it has to do with the complete and total breakdown of any semblence of functionality in Washington, D.C. If the republicans or tea partiers were in power, we would see exactly the same sort of behavior and still have nothing substantial getting done.

^ This.

Turning this into a Cancerous Left vs the Virtuous Right argument, is just going to muddy any real dialogue from the start with finger-pointing right off the bat and reveal an obvious political agenda.

It's just parroting people like the "every-man-average-Joe" Glenn Beck and his 30 million dollar a year salary.

The Right and The Left are both a major problem for all of us, people telling you otherwise are trying to sell you something.

- Lee

reply to post by ModernAcademia


You still haven't given ONE good reason for why the left and progressives are becoming a cancer of this nation.

With a name like yours, I'd expect better.

Well, so much for plea for everyone to vote wisely in November to extract all emcombants inorder to save our Republic in America and our childrens future...

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Get a grip...you lost...you LOOOST...

All right here is where I draw the line.

This type of mentality, the one I saw in my own brother, is what is the problem with people nowadays. They cannot express their own convictions and thoughts without someone coming down upon them with vigor and lines like "Not my president" or "You looost..."

Granted, the person you responded to sounds childish, you have brought yourself to their level and now equally sound just as childish.

Grow up.

I remember when we invaded iraq, the left kept grumping about things like...oh...mindless bombing of brown people for no actual reason...and the right said the left was destroying America by questioning the president.

Yet the authorization came from both houses of Congress (Upper and Lower). Still we blame one man. Must be nice to just lay all the blame upon one person rather than the 500+ persons that we voted into office that authorized that one man to engage in acts of war without a declaration of war.

I remember I kept listening to the right lunatic fringe, trying to tone down the general anger at our power being so fragrantly abused in the name of being pro-america.

What? The power granted was abused by both sides and still is....don't cloud your judgement.

You know what...I hated America then...I hated it so bad I wished its fall..we were nothing more than a big bully with a small weener complex..If thats the right wing glory days, then you can take those glory days and shove it straight up your you know what.

Agreed up until you wanted to put a label of right wing onto it. Both sides played a game in this. Saying over wise is just ignoring and ignorant to the otherwise petty left/right paradigm.

The Dems are not good leaders..they spend too much, they allow for too much talk about things, they try to make everyone happy...but you know what...they are not good leaders, but the opposite is downright stupid and evil leadership...I will go with the bumbling fools verses the darth bubba approach.

Oh I love the tactic. Sympathize and make the other side of the argument think they have a good point that you
agree with. Yet, you still uphold and defend your side without regard or consideration.

I want a balance of states' rights along with a mildly strong central government. I want States to regain the power to put into place Senators. I want the Supreme Court to interpret, not legislate, from their positions they have been gracefully given. I wan the president to push American ideals about freedom and liberty to the rest of the world. I want our Congress and Senators to stop making petty laws that have nothing to do with the efficient handling of government. I want my taxes to be put to a good use, rather than money pits where my contributions were already spent.

Right/left, does not matter. When one stands up for what is right, there are always those ready to fire crap upon them to ensure that liberty and justice never prevails but only slavery and injustice rules the day...so long as it abides by their standards.

Academia;

Other than what almost everyone else said
about division of the people I have one
thing to ask.

What is so "progressive" about cutting taxes
in the middle of rwo wars? That actually seems
rather backwards to me. Now, granted I never
attended one of those Ivy League Schools
or took anything higher than Algebra so I could
very well be mistaken in my thinking.

Another problem came to mind about those
tax cuts. When listening to thier K street masters
were they all giggleling, knowing full well that
when they were set to expire at the end of
this year they could also blame that on the
evil "Liberals". They are not innocent either
because they were too cowardice to say "NO"

Well, amyway I was just wondering about that.
Me personally just do not understand how
someone can complain about partisan bixkering
when they themselves do it, and then elect
someone from their district to represent them
and wonder why that person does it.

Originally posted by ownbestenemy


Yet the authorization came from both houses of Congress (Upper and Lower). Still we blame one man. Must be nice to just lay all the blame upon one person rather than the 500+ persons that we voted into office that authorized that one man to engage in acts of war without a declaration of war.

See, just like this entire thread, you are neglecting what happened in this country psychologically-

For the love of sweet mercy "SOMEONE" sent Anthrax to the congressional body... Talk about a veiled threat.
The war was driven by NAtionalistic fervor and terror stoke by Bush's administration.

We actually had a pavlovian Terror color coded scaling pushed on us, do you remember?

I mean, does anyone remember what happened?

Bush and his cabinet LIED about the evidence they presented, ACTUALLY LIED.
They went as far as to imply if we did not act we might be nuked.

The psychological factor is so far beyond the pail I just can't believe anyone could present such a position.

The Manipulation was the WORSTE attack on public trust a leader could perpetrate, having our Americans die to achieve some shadowy agenda.

you have to look at the popular right for stoking that fire with Ultra Nationalist pressure; initiated by promoting the divide between the US and Islam, FOX is still doing it and America is still buying.

Originally posted by OldDragger
No, it's guys like you that demonize people that think differently than you that are polarizing the nation.
Right or left, the unwillingness to compromise and seek realistic solutions seems to be a thing of the past.
The Republicans in Congress have publicly stated their only goal is to oppose everything the Obama administration proposes. Great. Thanks guys.
Stop whining about Socialism. You don't even know what it is.

So let me get this straight in your eyes it is wrong to polarize and it is not a left or right thing. And then you go on to say it is the right's opposition to everything that is the problem.


Hippocrate is the first word that sprung into my head.



I bet you dont even understand what you question others knowledge of. Socialism and Communism lead to one thing and that is a Oligarchy. That is the simple truth. History is always a good guide to the future.

While I do agree that Progressives are a cancer for this nation, I feel it is important to point out that the OP is wrong to place Progressives only on the left. There are Progressives on the left and right. There are Conservatives on the left and right. This is not about the left or right at all.

Personally, it is of my opinion, that Bush was a Progressive as well and it is this that the country fled from. Obama spoke and campaigned as a moderate, and non-partisan and this is why so many voted for him. However, mostly what Obama has done is continue Bush's Progressive policies. Remove political party title, and they are governing the same for the most part. Both are large govt Progressives. Both trample on the US constitution. These are the reasons Bush and Obama are unpopular. The fact that so many in the Republicans picked up the Progressive agenda under Bush showed they lost their way and it has resulted in the Tea Party movement. That is in direct opposition to the Progressive influence on Republicans from the Bush era. Hopefully Democrats have a similar movement to boot the Progressives from their party. If so, this nation will be in a much better place, although still with many obstacles to overcome.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Bicker bicker and bicker, divide the country all while offering no solutions at all, isn't that the wet dream of any dictatorship?

LOL? Are you serious? You would make for a crappy dictator.

Hitler was a fairly successful dictator in his day and he united his people against a common enemy, the evil Jews...To which he proposed "The final solution" with hardly any bickering from his countrymen!

He enjoyed wild popularity until the last year of the war when his people realized he was insane.

Originally posted by johnny2127
While I do agree that Progressives are a cancer for this nation, I feel it is important to point out that the OP is wrong to place Progressives only on the left. There are Progressives on the left and right. There are Conservatives on the left and right. This is not about the left or right at all.

Personally, it is of my opinion, that Bush was a Progressive as well and it is this that the country fled from. Obama spoke and campaigned as a moderate, and non-partisan and this is why so many voted for him. However, mostly what Obama has done is continue Bush's Progressive policies. Remove political party title, and they are governing the same for the most part. Both are large govt Progressives. Both trample on the US constitution. These are the reasons Bush and Obama are unpopular. The fact that so many in the Republicans picked up the Progressive agenda under Bush showed they lost their way and it has resulted in the Tea Party movement. That is in direct opposition to the Progressive influence on Republicans from the Bush era. Hopefully Democrats have a similar movement to boot the Progressives from their party. If so, this nation will be in a much better place, although still with many obstacles to overcome.

But Bush did many things that were in line with conservatives doctrine

Wanted to privatize social security

TORT REFORM

School Vouchers

Refused to open the strategic oil reserves (because it is not the free market way)

Blocked investigation into the Gas gouging

By progressive do you mean a member of government?

Well I don't know... Maybe you're being a little too quick to judge. I mean you don't know what's going on beyond what the media is presenting to you. And I'm kinda liking the democrats this year lol. Especially the progressives.

Originally posted by OldDragger
....
Stop whining about Socialism. You don't even know what it is.

Yes we do...all you have done is been brainwashed by books written by socialists and you can't even understand what they mean, or what the fine print clearly says...

When individual rights don't matter "for the good of all, or the party, or the nation" you are giving an excuse to oppress EVERYONE...

But hey I guess you are happy that Obama and his thugs have signed into law policies that will FORCE Americans, including children, to do Community Service... And i am sure that you are going to give the same old excuse of liberals/sociaists/progressives... "but it will be for the good of all".... Since when is it "for the good of all" to oppress INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM?...

But of course, lefties like yourself apparently can't see what is wrong with FORCING Americans...

Not to mention that Obama, and his administration have been trying to shut down "conservative" radio stations..
Not to mention that Janet Napolitano in her "rightwing extremism" puts all conservatives, not to mention people who want to defend our Constitution, want to defend our RIGHT to own and bear arms, people who fear a One World Government, PEOPLE WHO FEAR COMMUNISM, (I wonder why she mentions this economic/political system) and returning veterans ALL as "possible terrorists"...

Not to mention that the liberal/socialist/communist media has portrayed conservatives and Republicans as "rightwing extremists and terrorists... They even had the galls to accuse republicans/conservatives as the ones behind ISLAMIC EXTREMIST ATTEMPS AT TERRORIST ATTACKS....

But you want to claim this is not true?...

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by johnny2127
While I do agree that Progressives are a cancer for this nation, I feel it is important to point out that the OP is wrong to place Progressives only on the left. There are Progressives on the left and right. There are Conservatives on the left and right. This is not about the left or right at all.

Personally, it is of my opinion, that Bush was a Progressive as well and it is this that the country fled from. Obama spoke and campaigned as a moderate, and non-partisan and this is why so many voted for him. However, mostly what Obama has done is continue Bush's Progressive policies. Remove political party title, and they are governing the same for the most part. Both are large govt Progressives. Both trample on the US constitution. These are the reasons Bush and Obama are unpopular. The fact that so many in the Republicans picked up the Progressive agenda under Bush showed they lost their way and it has resulted in the Tea Party movement. That is in direct opposition to the Progressive influence on Republicans from the Bush era. Hopefully Democrats have a similar movement to boot the Progressives from their party. If so, this nation will be in a much better place, although still with many obstacles to overcome.

But Bush did many things that were in line with conservatives doctrine

Wanted to privatize social security

TORT REFORM

School Vouchers

Refused to open the strategic oil reserves (because it is not the free market way)

Blocked investigation into the Gas gouging

By progressive do you mean a member of government?

Yes, some things he did were conservative. Just like anything else, there are varying degrees of Progressivism. Obviously Bush would not call himself a Progressive. But, Bush was a big govt Progressive that doubled the size of govt (even when not including military), while also taking away citizens' rights and increasing the power of govt. That is Progressivism.

reply to post by ModernAcademia

The Left and "Progressives" Are Becoming A Cancer Of This Nation!

It's more like gladiatorial politics from both sides being the cancer.

We are a divided nation/house and we will not stand. Worst still, we willingly join these horrid political parties and take up arms against our fellow citizens like they were invaders.

Think about it. Your political slant doesn't matter because the nation is nearly evenly divided between left and right, with growing mobs of extremists on both sides. Now what you have is millions of people who buy into the concept that fully half of their fellow Americans are eeville and out to destroy the country.

It is the recipe for civil war... which is exactly what the globalists want. While we are bickering amoungst ourselves, our nation is stolen, our constitution usurped and we don't see it happen until it's too late.

Put down your cups of red and blue poison.

And within the first five posts, the OP and a "progressive" are already at it, proving the OP's post. How about instead of trying to claim you're right or your ideals are right, how about working together and bring something new to the table?

America and the rest of the world is having a wedge placed in between them. We need to have the hindsight to figure out when it's being used against us and bore through that wedge.

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
Actually the division is being created by fear mongering primarily on the Republican side. We have crazy people spreading insane rumors about Obama being a sleeper cell terror Muslim anti-Christ who wants to kill your grandma with a death panel and on the other side we have Democrats who, although they hold a super-majority, are essentially impotent when it comes to making actual progress.

I agree on dems being useless minus Kuccinich, however that entire antichrist thing is also a liberal agenda.
How many people think he is the anti-christ? You think if you walk out on the streets with many conservatives around people will say that?

No, it's the media only highlighting that and NOT the issues!

Originally posted by The Sword
You still haven't given ONE good reason for why the left and progressives are becoming a cancer of this nation.

See this link for example
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Also look at my post in that thread

reply to post by ModernAcademia

The "cancer" of this nation has nothing to do with Dems vs Reps or conservativ vs progressive Or left vs right. The cancer of this nation is the shadow government that has been taking ever more control since JFK was killed by the CIA.

Get it right. The administration is a puppet government that has it's strings pulled by TPTB. This was true of Obama, Bush Jr, Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, and Johnson.

So, give it a break. This nation will not be saved by the corrupt system set in place by TPTB to keep us devided and unwilling to place blame where it belongs. Those who would continue the Left/Right blame game are destined to live the rest of their lives enslaved to the New World Order masters. Wake Up and get a clue!

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
You bring up an interesting topic here
There were many anti-war protests
Now there are none even though TWO MORE COUNTRIES have been added to the list of invasions, Yemen and Pakistan, under Obama's clock.

Where are the anti-war protests though?

This leads me to believe that those anti-war protests were not full of anti-war people but anti-republican people.

If you could show me some logic that suggests otherwise I would apreciate it.

Are there really none or has the MSM stopped reporting on it?

Oh, here's a huge protest that happened last March:
www.spokesman.com...

Really, stop and think, if the last administration and the current administration are making almost identical mistakes, logic would lead one to assume that there is a hidden agenda run by a select people or groups of people. You are being duped into thinking that a polarization is afoot when really there's more evidence than ever that the two parties are one and the same.