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The Left and "Progressives" Are Becoming A Cancer Of This Nation!

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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 09:41 PM
The title itself is 'cancerous'.
How many ways can a people be divided?
Left from Right.....theocratic to from white.....cabals of gangs and secret societies.....creed to uncred.....and so on and then some.....

The 'ism's or divisions, parties, groups, what-have-you.....of the world whether it be for good or for bad are just 'another' way to divide the masses into groups of management so the 'folks' can be managed by select authority 'figures'. Just think for a minute how many times an 'agent' has arrived in one group or another to sway or influence the 'group' to do this.....or that for the benefit of 'another'. Another? Do the 'folks' truly understand who pulls the strings that be? No, most are unaware. Until you become 'aware' of such things that 'matter', don't sell your soul or compromise your character by sacrificing your conscience at your alter.

It's truly amazing what some folks will do for money, authority, assumed powers and privilages of which often end up imprisoning the new subject though by the strings of others. When one accepts 'gifts' for being the tool of another, they become part of the tyrants shed. Congratulations, you are now a 'part' to be used in one's shed of death and destruction. Shed your shed folk. Who owns you? No amount of power or privilage can make up for the price of one's very virtue being abandoned on the bank of no returns. It's a downward spiral from there forth is it not? Yes, it is. You either know what I say or are as innocent as a bunny in a cage (without the stuffed animal lol).

Some come to ATS for knowledge, some for therapy.....some fo tis and fO tat.
What matters is what one 'does' with what one knows.
Just do your part to do the right thing as the opportunity provides itself so many times each day.
"Do unto others as you would have done unto you".
^^^^^ Is a universal truth to be acknowledged, not adopted.
This has been known since the dawn of man and human natural law jurisprudence was/Is the vehicle to 'make it happen'.

Buy, buy folks.....or rather good Night.....

It's a bird it's a's 'Magic' or sumpm.....

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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 09:54 PM
Nope, 100% disagree with your post. You might have been brainwashed by Michael Savage & Glenn Beck judging the wording you used. Liberalism has helped America, it has strengthened the middle class, helped create jobs, helped diminish racism, shaped civil rights, and soon the "don't ask don't" tell policy that is extremely homophobic will be buried. Take a look at the two definitions.

conservative |kənˈsərvətiv; -vəˌtiv|
holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion.

liberal |ˈlib(ə)rəl|
1 open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values : they have more liberal views toward marriage and divorce than some people.
• favorable to or respectful of individual rights and freedoms : liberal citizenship laws.
• (in a political context) favoring maximum individual liberty in political and social reform : a liberal democratic state.
• Theology regarding many traditional beliefs as dispensable, invalidated by modern thought, or liable to change.
2 [ attrib. ] (of education) concerned mainly with broadening a person's general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training.

Which definition looks better to you?

Liberals are more for respect, broadening knowledge, and they favor maximum liberty!

liberalism is really the cure for the world.

posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 10:04 PM
reply to post by Ignorance_Defier

Personally I don't mind being called a 'liberal' as long as the 'ism' is not appended to the definition.
I don't mind being called a conservative as long as one does not append the 'ism' to their opinion.

The point I am making, as you should know, is that folks have become too accustomed to belonging to one group or another such as team sports as a child. Folks have been grouped conditionally since child in'da hood for the purpose of being divided and conquered. It is far easier to control a 'people' who are segmented into groups. Human management 101 I suppose though if it makes sense, perhaps it is Of sense.

Why would you want to 'divide' yourself into one group or another when you are aware that the 'group' and it's leader usually ends up making decisions for 'you', the subject of the 'group'.

Folks should just let some fellow who believes he to be the right person for the job explain who he/she is and explain exactly where they stand on issues and accept accountability to promises made with the forknowledge and understanding that the law is as transient as the four winds of time. In other words, the written law is not your master, though natural law Is. Always was.....and should therefor be 'practiced' for what it Is. Keep vote counting In-house to ensure your vote is 'counted' by the 'people' that be, then audited for 'justice' sake. These locally elected leaders could then assist with finding a representative for their State in question for purposes of managing the State while the 'people' vote the final and thoroughly 'audited' candidate to the position in question. The Federal govt. only role should be defense of the nation, not 'offense' of another.

The 'people' have not had a word in Pentagon activities for quite some time now. This should be of 'concern' for reasons common sense finds mute. If a federal 'law' is unconstitutional, it is 'null and void' as such. The bankster folk own your federal govt., surely not the 'folks'. You know this and increasing so, therefor it is time to Act on what you know. There are no excuses for one to 'choose' the wrong course of action when the menu of choices is on your table. Leave the knives and forks at the table if necessary. Spoon it if you must. Just make it happen. "Do the Right Thing". You are not as innocent as your mask and the mirror don't lie. Neither do the 'eyes' or rather 'I's.

That's all I suppose.....passing the jury of the trials that be.....writ on habeaus corpus street.

"Independent" has a 'good' ring.
Why climb into another's box?
Once your In it's often a mined/maze to get out.
The Doors open when may may enter at their own discretion.
May one not trip on their way in or out.

Look for the door with your name on it.
It's there for the seeking.
Seek and ye shall find, oneself, perhaps.
.....and Enter-sais~o~mI.

Later folks,
Out here.

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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 10:12 PM
This has nothing to do with the left. Bush is not a wonderful era. Fascism is on both sides, left and right, when taken below the pie, where half is democracy and half is totalitarianism. But any government that does not provide universal, quality medicare at no cost or incredibly low, premiums, free for all under the poverty line, is not left. Communism was not all that left either. I have a friend who escaped Hungary before the curtain fell, and she had a lot to tell me. After observing liberal and conservative governments, she said with the lineups, poverty and scarisity, the conservatives most resembled the way they lived in Hungary. That the only thing she had better for all her hard work and poor wage was a vcr.

posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 10:16 PM
I think of myself as independent... but because I believe in the equality of people, women's rights, and favor peace over war, I'm labeled a liberal.

So basically a decent evolved human being is a liberal...

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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 10:27 PM
No, whats killing this country is you people still falling blindly for the 2 party illusion. The left are wrong, the right are wrong. Tell me how far either party has got us.

We need to vote for good morals, fresh ideas, and simply deny that there are only 2 options.

posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 10:56 PM
Well, I think if the Right hadn't used every dirty fear tactic in the book to completely terrify people by the thought of decent affordable healthcare and a public option, we might have gotten somewhere with that.

You can't be with the party of obstruction and also complain that nothing gets done.

posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 11:05 PM
The USA is not just divided, people are HIGHLY intolerant of anyone else who has an opinion contarary to their own.

It's not just Republican/Democrat, or black/white, the country is deeply divided on just about EVERY single issue.

posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 11:16 PM
It would be helpful to stick with metaphors that arn't as destructive as the OP's. Linguist Gerge Lakoff wrote a volume dedicated to how metaphors we use in language will determine the outcome. E.g. as long as a doctor fights against microbes, he may have a different metaphor than one that wants to restore my health.

On the negative side, Hitler often described the Jews as vermin, rats, or diseases. Something non-human.

Now these folks re fellow Americans with different world views here. Not as different as you would think though - to my chagrin.

Cancer is a metaphor often used by radical environmentalists towards capital holders and politicians who have practically no empathy towards people out of their immediate environment, and more importantly, towards corporations that have unlimited growth programs. Perhaps I would feel the latest one is justified. Heartless individuals may actually turn around - just like die-hard liberals turn around when faced with rebellious children and a mate that want to live in a free marriage... but a real corporation acts like a hive and IT will dictate your moods.

Unless your goal is to divide the whole country and deem your enemies subhuman (some religious folks do think that way), you may want to use a different metaphor: When I and my conservative buddies want to go ahead and cook a Hollandaise cheese soup at the cuisine competition, the other party comes and ridicules us and wants to go on using every existing pot for their chili stew which they clean then imperfectily - but chili does not get well enough with Hollandaise...

Or I want to teach Beethoven but these folks are all into rap. How should I proceed?

posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 12:52 AM
reply to post by rusethorcain

A "PROGRESSIVE" link?... ARE a PROGRESSIVE/socialist/liberal...

First of all, even though I don't agree with a few things Bush did, I would like to know exactly how domestic terrorism restricts regular Americans. As i remember correctly you had to be tied to terrorism to get your telephone tapped. There are millions of illegal, and even legal residents from the Middle East, and if any of those people had a link to terrorism, such as having an known terrorist relative and communicating with them frequently, you would get investigated.

That link from "wikipedia", another known leftist website, shows that if you have ties to a terrorist then you would get investigated. That's completely different to what the "left" has done...The left is targeting Americans BASED ON POLITICAL BELIEF...

That is completely different to what PROGRESSIVES/liberals/democrats/socialists in power have done, which is put as "possible terrorists" any American who dares to want to defend the Constitution, any American who doesn't agree with restrictions, or bans on firearms, any Americans who fears a One World Government...any American who FEARS COMMUNISM... and any returning veteran...

Richard Thompson, President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Law Center stated, “The Obama Administration has declared war on American patriots and our Constitution. The Report even admits that the Department has no specific information on any plans of violence by so-called ‘rightwing extremists.’ Rather, what they do have is the expression of political opinions by certain individuals and organizations that oppose the Obama administration’s policies, and this expression is protected speech under the First Amendment.”

Thompson added, “Janet Napolitano is lying to the American people when she says the Report is not based on ideology or political beliefs. In fact, her report would have the admiration of any current or past dictator in the way it targets political opponents.”

The Report specifically mentions the following political beliefs that law enforcement should use to determine whether someone is a “rightwing extremist”:

• Opposes restrictions on firearms
• Opposes lax immigration
• Opposes the policies of President Obama regarding immigration, citizenship and the expansion of social programs
• Opposes continuation of free trade agreements
• Opposes same-sex marriage
• Has paranoia of foreign regimes
• Fear of Communist regimes
• Opposes one world government
• Bemoans the decline of U.S. stature in the world.
• Upset with loss of U.S. manufacturing jobs to China and India
• . . . and the list goes on

That is what YOU "PROGRESSIVES/democrats/socialists/liberals have brought to the United States of America, among your OTHER DRACONIAN LAWS where you want to FORCE Americans to do what your Fuhrer and thugs want...

posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 12:57 AM
I'll tell you what's becoming cancerous in this nation; what the real snake in the grass is, and what IMO is the major reason so many people are very angry these days - it's the continued erosion of freedom and the gross increase of government meddling in people's lives. It has little to do with party affiliation and labels anymore; my grandfather was a Democrat and I guarantee if he knew what was going on with this country right now he'd be doing about 3,500 RPM in his grave!

I believe it was Ronald Reagan who said something to the effect of "a government that is big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have away". I may be wrong about the source of that quote but still it's very meaningful and true, especially today. Obama didn't start this erosion of freedoms and no not everything he has done has been bad.

I challenge anyone who is actually in favor of policies like the health care law to come out and say that they are happy that the gov't is now able to force them to buy a product that they may not want or need. Only an honest to goodness fool will want to be led around by the nose like that, and only a fool will not see it for the unconstitutional communist garbage that it is. If you want to be told what to do and "cared for" every step of the way by your government then you have a problem.

IMO this is the deal - you want health care, then buy your own, mooch off the gov't, get your employer to provide it (to those employees who want it) or whatever but leave me and my decisions alone.

You want gay marriage? If tptb had any sense, they'd realize that the state has no business marrying anyone, anyone at all. The state should provide civil unions to ALL couples regardless of gender and leave the marrying to the religious institutions. Separation of church and state.

You want an abortion? Go for it - just don't you dare take one red cent out of my pocket to do it.

Don't want to use oil? Then don't. Leave that and other realistic power sources for those of us who still must use them. And go ahead and pay $8 a gallon for gas if that makes you feel better about your "carbon footprint". I'm sure the oil companies wouldn't mind installing a button on the pumps so you can donate more of your hard-earned cash for whatever environmental cause you deem fit.

Don't like guns? Then don't buy one, don't use one. Keep a baseball bat by your bed and hope that will do the trick; or live really close to a police station and hope for the best.

Want to use drugs? Go for it - just don't be intoxicated by whatever it is that you do when you share a highway with me or fly a plane that I'm in.

Frankly, I could care less what other people do, but I'll be damned if I'm going to sit idly by and watch my freedoms be taken away. Congress, the president, tptb, can go eff themselves if they think I'm going to buy whatever sort of health insurance they require or any of this bs they are trying to foist on everyone.

posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 01:05 AM

Originally posted by tyranny22
The people who still argue the difference between Red v Blue, Conservative v Liberal, Republican v Democrat are the ones that are a cancer to our nation.

Really?... Perhaps you should make yourself a bit more acquainted with one of the documents which is a building block of the REPUBLIC of the United States...

Perhaps you have heard of it? It is called "THE CONSTITUTION"...

U.S. Constitution - Article 4 Section 4

Article 4 - The States
Section 4 - Republican Government

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

What is that that OUR CONSTITUTION says?... That the U.S. MUST GUARANTEE in this union a REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT...

Unfortunately the Republican party has been infiltrated by "PROGRESSIVES/DEMOCRATS" who were in the left for decades but jumped to the Republican party simply to infiltrate it. These people are called RINO (Republican In Name ONLY) and there are quite a few...

The only way for this country to get back on track is to choose Senators, and government officials THAT CARE about our Constitution, and would ABIDE by it and DEFEND it..

We already tried to compromise with the left, starting with Woodrow Wilson a PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT who signed into law the Federal Reserve Act giving our economy to leftist bankers who have slowly destroyed our economy. He also introduced the IRS, both which have been sucking us dry for decades and caused the economic crisis we are in.

Americans should think WHY did the Feds give most of our debt to CHINA?...

Implementing LEFTIST ideas in our Republic is what got us in the mess we are in...

posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 01:08 AM

Originally posted by Unity_99
This has nothing to do with the left. Bush is not a wonderful era. Fascism is on both sides, left and right, when taken below the pie, where half is democracy and half is totalitarianism. But any government that does not provide universal, quality medicare at no cost or incredibly low, premiums, free for all under the poverty line, is not left. Communism was not all that left either. I have a friend who escaped Hungary before the curtain fell, and she had a lot to tell me. After observing liberal and conservative governments, she said with the lineups, poverty and scarisity, the conservatives most resembled the way they lived in Hungary. That the only thing she had better for all her hard work and poor wage was a vcr.

I call that comment you made BS... I was born, lived and experienced communism/socialism in Cuba and the policies that most resemble socialism/communism IS THE LEFT...not the right...

You are either lying willingly, or you are distorting what your supposed friend told you...

BTW, communism/socialism IS PART OF THE LEFT... Just Like Hitler was a national SOCIALIST...

posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 02:01 AM
We, as the American People, are very snowed. We have hung on every word "politicians" have said to us. When are we going to put our foot down and proclaim, "NO MORE!!" I am not satisfied with the Dems or Repubs. They are just as good as the "Crips" and the "Bloods"!!! Put down the remote for your bloody TV and look at what is eating our nation from inside out? Outsiders are using OUR (yes, all of us) Constitution as a weapon!! Outsiders and those that side with them, are Bastardizing the one and true document that glues this country together!!! The Dualism of Dems vs. Repubs is the cancer!!! Conservative vs. Liberal is the cancer!!! Refer to, "ECONOMIC THEORY OF DEMOCRACY" It's absolute BS!!! And we are all suckers!!! And you know what?!! WE ARE PAYING FOR IT!!! Imagine being a fly on the wall at happy hour with senators, representatives, cabinet members, members of staff etc. THEY ARE HAVING THE LAST THE LAUGH AT OUR EXPENSE!!! Until the People wake up? We are screwed!!! on paper!!! If it is not in writing?! It didn't happen folks!!!

posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 05:05 AM
A huge point of division for me is 9/11. All partisan thoughts aside, I don't see how that day could have happened the way it supposedly did... Controlled demolition appears to be really evident...

The fact that members from the Right were in power at the time of the attack, who were signatory to a document the year before, that described the benefits of a "new Pearl Harbor", and suggested multiple simultaneous wars in areas such as Iraq, Iran, and a list of others... And how this was all necessary for the survival of the American Empire against our greatest threat, China. It's weird that Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove, Kristol signed that document, came into power, and

1 year later...

A new Pearl Harbor coincidentally happens, 3 buildings fall into their own footprints, and over the years, the benefits they described (like increased defense spending & permanent bases in the middle east) happen. All the while FOX News is interviewing these signatories like Karl Rove and Bill Kristol as they amp people up for an invasion of Iraq, tell us why torture is necessary, God Bless America, Never forget, and ALL THIS PROPAGANDA.

The point is... I can't see both sides the same, because I believe some key members of the Right facilitated 9/11, and their fear propaganda is all too obvious now. I know a lot of people believe the OS, and that's the fundamental difference for me. And yet I would have voted for Ron Paul against Obama, if that had been an option.

I am an independent, I was never pro-Left, I just became anti-Right when I saw that they helped 9/11 happen. And the truth is I can 'never forget'. So f*ck that party until someone shows up speaking different rhetoric that is more peaceful and more reasonable and benefits the whole population of the United States and not just the top 2%.

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posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 10:14 AM
Your generalizing a group of people when the other side of the political fence is just as guilty.

posted on Sep, 17 2010 @ 02:40 AM
Lefty here. I voted for Obama because he is black.

posted on Sep, 17 2010 @ 03:53 AM
reply to post by Dutch947

Two Chinese colonels wrote a book in which they descrbed how to attack the west, and more importantly, the U.S.... That book describes how to use terrorists, like Osama Bin Laden, to make controversial terrorist attacks to which the Chinese officers said we were not ready... They even mention to attack places like the WTC... This book was published with the consent of the CCP in 1999. The book is called "Unrestricted Warfare"...

Here is an excerpt from that book...

Unrestricted War: China’s Master Plan to Destroy America is a treatise for world domination written in 1999 by People’s Liberation Army Colonels Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui. In order for China to become a dominant global power over the United States, the PLA emphasizes “The Final War over Resources”, must be won.

The Colonels state that the aggressor nationmust adjust its own financial strategy, use currency revaluation or devaluation as primary weapons, and combine means such as getting the upper hand in public opinion and changing the rules sufficiently to make financial turbulence and economic crisis appear in the targeted country or area, weakening its overall power, including its military strength. Whether it be the intrusions of hackers, a major explosion at the World Trade Center, or a bombing attack by bin Laden, all of these greatly exceed the frequency bandwidths understood by the American military..."

But of course since they published the book it "must just be a coincidence" right?...

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posted on Sep, 17 2010 @ 01:54 PM
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

The Colonels state that the aggressor nation “must adjust its own financial strategy, use currency revaluation or devaluation as primary weapons, and combine means such as getting the upper hand in public opinion and changing the rules sufficiently to make financial turbulence and economic crisis appear in the targeted country or area, weakening its overall power, including its military strength.

Ah yes. This is true Weedhopper, we taught them well...

posted on Sep, 17 2010 @ 02:31 PM
The Left is a cancer... but the Right (PNAC) gave us 9/11. I think mass murder and treason trumps healthcare and bailouts.

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