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Martin Bryant: Guilty or Unwilling pawn?

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posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 07:38 AM
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Originally posted by CynicalM
reply to post by anglodemonicmatrix
 


There were apparently some Israeli specop guys on holiday in Australia at the time..

The kill count in the cafe was incredible yet later, the real Martin Bryant fired 250 shots from the house without hitting anyone. I actually wonder if he even fired a shot..But who knows?


I wouldnt be assuming that it was a mossad operative juust yet. Even a highly specialised solider couldnt achieve what Martin Bryant did. I would be more inclined to believe that there was more than one person involved, maybe Bryant was there, maybe he wasnt. The number of head shots in such a small amount of time, using a minimal amount of time, doesnt add up




posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 07:39 AM
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Unwilling pawn! - No way. He was at the scene & went there intending to do what was done. We all know he had help & we all know Bryant was not aware this help was there. It was obviously a "Mission" of sorts (As to who ordered & executed it is up for debate).

After researching I believe Bryant is guilty of some of the murders but not all. Bryant's low IQ .... Hmmm. That was part of the plan! they needed a patsy to blame & someone so dumb is the perfect candidate to be talked into doing this & later be convinced to plead guilty. Any normal person could not be talked into doing this!.

I believe Bryant should be locked up forever (For all peoples safety) because he is extremely dangerous as he can be talked into doing ANYTHING!. Imagine if he was left to his own devices he would be a target for all the intelligence agencies, governments & criminals to be manipulated to do their dirty work & more people could die ..... I accept he is a victim of sorts but he is just to dangerous to live in the community.... sorry if that offends some.

The trail starts with bogus investigator Joe Vialls. Is he alive or dead? & is Joe Vialls really Ari Ben-Benashe or vice versa?. For those who don't know Joe was an investigator who first started to reveal the inconsistancies in the OS. It was then proven he was actually at the cafe that day & later allegedly died in Perth WA. No wonder he knew so much!



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 07:51 AM
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im just not sure, i have read about the bryant case on a number of different websites. and while i agree that there are some things that seem a little strange, i still do not see why if the government was behind it they would do it. was gun control a huge issue in australia at the time?



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 08:11 AM
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There is an article I have linked below titled '50 unanswered questions about Port Arthurt'. It speaks for itself.
www.2012unlimited.net...

Another investigative link to follow up for researchers-- www.whale.to...

The late Joe Vialls helped expose this cover-up years ago. I have absolutely no doubt that Martin Bryant was a chosen patsy and may the Creator have mercy on those responsible for this murderous 'psyop' to enforce rushed gun control measures (disarmament) on the Australian peoples. Peace.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 08:25 AM
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in response to someone referencing this site: www.joryart.com...


the fifht picture on the above site claims that it appears that one figure appears to be having a cigarette" is as absurd as saying that the blurred thing running down the road is bryant... no objectivity

they expect us to accept their version of the photo but not the other?? you cant actually tell anything from that photo except a person is heading towards a house, certainly not that one of them is having a cigarrette

they are also comparing police in australia with police in south africa... ummm i think theres a big difference there
anyone else?


the second photo more assumptions are made. that people are standing lazily around while bryant shoots, they are not running away.

tell me when you are at home and you hear an extremely loud bang or thump outside. do you go and check it out first, and decide if it is a threat... or do you IMMEDIATLEY run for cover and shout duck. no. you naturally go and have a look to see what it is.

in the nect photo we are asked to accept that the person in the picture is wearing a kevlar suit "definatley"

why?
because some clothing show a little"bulge"

the thing about a photo is it is a snapshot in time. clothing moves, billows as people walk, there is nothing "definatley" about this picture


i will look at the others refenced as well, im just alittle torn with this idea



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by benedict9
reply to post by OzWeatherman
 


There is an article I have linked below titled '50 unanswered questions about Port Arthurt'. It speaks for itself.
www.2012unlimited.net...

Another investigative link to follow up for researchers-- www.whale.to...

The late Joe Vialls helped expose this cover-up years ago. I have absolutely no doubt that Martin Bryant was a chosen patsy and may the Creator have mercy on those responsible for this murderous 'psyop' to enforce rushed gun control measures (disarmament) on the Australian peoples. Peace.


Hi benedict9

are you able to provide some other links that back up these claims? i would be very interested to read them



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 08:41 AM
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sorry, i guess the point i am making and question i am asking is that all these sites:
www.whale.to...
www.2012unlimited.net...
www.joryart.com...

are asking me to accept their version of events, without providing me anything concrete apart from their opinions or versions of events. show me some court reports or links that provide evidence of the opinions stated. i also can write some "facts" about events without referencing anything else, or create a numbered list of questions that i have not provided evidence for provide. why should people automatically believe what i say. they shouldn't



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 08:56 AM
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Bryant was 28 when the massacre happened, not 19, sorry to be picky!


One thing I notice most people seem to ignore, is that Bryant was believed to be autistic, now I'm not too sure how many actually realise it but autistic people can have extraordinary abilities, far beyond what most of us are capable of.

So, hypothetically speaking and IMHO it is possible for such a person to carry out what Bryant did that day.

Yes, it's incredible to see such deadly accuracy but it is also incredible to see what an autistic mind is capable of.




edit on 14/9/10 by Chadwickus because: (reason classified)



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 09:06 AM
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Who benefits?? How about a government that has just quelled any chance of effective resistance against it if it decides to impose much harsher draconian/tyrannical measures against it's own people.

If you don't believe in the planned World Government control agenda and the evil measures behind it from the same folk behind the 911 psyop campaign, then this 'theory' may sound a little 'out there'. However it should be known that Australia is a vital NWO strategic hub for now and especially for the future. There is much vested interest in it's 'New Age' role by the international power factions that currently manipulate and 'stage manage' world events such as 911 among many other terrorist acts.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 09:19 AM
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Hi, I am not personally asking any reader here to accept anything I present, just provided some food for thought with links that I felt were valid. I first researched this 'conspiracy' years ago because my instincts told me things didn't add up as they were presented in the mainstream media. I did come across and read presented transcripts back then, I'm sure some googling will lead you to them.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 09:35 AM
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I find it inconcevible that this one individual was capable of this much carnage.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
One thing I notice most people seem to ignore, is that Bryant was believed to be autistic, now I'm not too sure how many actually realise it but autistic people can have extraordinary abilities, far beyond what most of us are capable of.

So, hypothetically speaking and IMHO it is possible for such a person to carry out what Bryant did that day.

Yes, it's incredible to see such deadly accuracy but it is also incredible to see what an autistic mind is capable of.


Bryant did not have full blown autism. He had Asperger's Syndrome.
Aspergers does not have any relation to super-abilities. Aspies tend to be shy, gentle, sweet-natured and prefer to keep to themselves.

In fact, having Aspergers quite rules out being so proficient with a ranged weapon. One necessary criterion for a diagnosis of Aspergers is clumsiness, particularly lack of fine motor skills.

www.aspergers.com...



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 05:57 PM
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I'm not too sure you could call torturing of animals shy, gentle and sweet-natured.

He has a history, since childhood of being violent, distant and cold.

Snippet from a interesting book about Bryant



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by CynicalM
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True, and our Primeminister, good ole Johny, has sealed "all" records for 30 years...



Hi CynicalM ,

Could you expand upon that statement .

Wouldn`t the sealing of records of drawn further attention to the Governments version of events . Do you recall any commentary in the press at the time - in relation to this ?
Cheers


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Nicely presented OP !



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 08:14 PM
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I just wish to add a little to this discussion based on reports and some film I saw when president of a small research group at the time of the "shootings".

Firstly, a report from our Military Marksmen said that at least four sharpshooters would be required for the number of head and heart shots made in the Broad Arrow Cafe on that day. Contrast this with the official comments that say Bryant was a poor shot at best.

Secondly, the weapons used had been previously surrendered to a Police Station in Sydney. This in itself raises a heap of questions as to how Bryant came to have these weapons.

Thirdly, Bryant's psychological assessment and treatment in Sydney were carried out under the auspices of a visiting Psychologist from the Tavistock Institute in London.. the recognised home of Mind Control experimentation with early links to Joseph Mengele's work there.

Fourth, in the video footage I saw taken by a person on vacation there on that day, were four men dressed in black suits outside the main Cafe entrance, one was squatting and filming the activity as the shooting was happening. This dovetails with Bryant's evidence that he believed he was taking part in the filming of a movie sequence about a mass killer, and that he was issued "blanks" to use in the "scene".

Lastly, I questioned the Immediate, apparently knee-jerk, Government reaction of instantly placing Bans on the weapons mentioned in the OP, AND, placing a 40 year Moratorium Ban on the entire subject. Effectively stiffling any decent and official research into the events leading up to the day.

My position on this is that Bryant was a patsy used by the Howard Government to facilitate the disarmament of the Australian People.


edit on 14-9-2010 by Tayesin because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 10:33 PM
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Ok....this topic has finally pushed me to join. At the time of the shootings in Port Aurthur I realised then that something didn't add up. I say this because at that time I myself had "alot" of experience with rifles and shooting. No, I am not a member, or have been, of the military. I'm just like a couple of other contributors on this topic that had rifles confiscated because of the new laws. My background was target shooting and at one time I was highlighted as an Olympic Games candidate.

I say something doesn't add up because the day of the shootings I remember thinking to myself that the shooter must be ex military, or had "alot" of shooting exposure, to achieve such accuracy. I have seen people fire 30 rounds in 7 seconds with a semi automatic, from the hip...and land about 3 shots on target. That's not accurately on target, just on the target..somewhere. The remaining 27 shots landed between 100m to 300m down range. I don't know anyone that can shoot from the hip as accurately as what is being described. I am sure however that military personnel could, given enough practice.

Days after the event..yes days, the government released proposed documentation of the new gun laws banning semi automatic rifles and shotguns. Clearly this documentation was already in place, as mentioned previously. So why was this documentation in place? Was the Port Aurther the effect or trigger? The obedient populous was disarmed..did the Australian population really believe criminals were going to hand in there semi autos? I'm sure there is a black market in Australia for these rifles now. Why did they government want the population diarmed? I don't have the answer to that one, but to me it seems it's just one more measure to control to population.

I'll go on record now and say yes..some people shouldn't have guns, and I'm not just talking about criminals. I'm saying that some members of the general public shoudn't have them given how irresponsibly they use them. Some people shouldn't have cars. Some people shouldn't have knives etc. But the vast majority of people use these items responsibly, it's no different for guns. When I used my rifles I made holes in pieces of paper...Do I agree with the gun laws as they stand?....no.

14 years later I wonder when semi automatic pistols will be banned.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 05:54 AM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
Bryant was 28 when the massacre happened, not 19, sorry to be picky!




TROLL!!! TROLL!!!



You are right though, I was wrong about his age, he was 28



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 06:07 AM
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Unfortunantly, I found when researching, that most the webpages claiming Bryant was innocent, are very poorly researched and some of the evidence seems made up. I tried to only choose the most valid points when I wrote this, and I expected a bit more to be honest



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 07:17 AM
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You talk about him like he was insane...

Yet the coursts didn't see it that way..

They accepted his guilty plea and guns were banned pretty much the next day...

Sounds suss to me, and you're an Aussie???



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 07:35 AM
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Mate, he's locked up in the psychiatric ward at Risdon prison, don't know if insane is the word to use, but he certainly isn't of a normal mindset.



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