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So, explain THIS, bilbical scholars (prove to me, it's not all hogwash)

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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 02:30 PM
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Okay, I'm butting in again here. I really think you need to read this:www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'm telling you, this could truly clear up a lot of your worries.




posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:14 PM
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No SquirrelNutz, it’s not as you put it “hogwash” – it’s all based on sound logic and scientific facts. Read on and you’ll see what I mean.


But before I begin, let me clarify something in the Bible that made others arrived at the wrong conclusion.
The word *'Day' mentioned in Genesis 1 does NOT necessarily mean a 24 hr day as some believe nor a 1000 years each day. No it's longer than that – millenniums and millenniums. Also, the Genesis account was written from the perspective of a human being on earth. So the things that Moses wrote were from his perspective. I'll also show you that the things he wrote are scientific even though he didn't have the necessary instruments and the scientific knowledge to study the universe and earth like we have today.

(Q: Where did the writer of Genesis got his information? Did he just came up with the events he wrote or someone provided it to him, someone with the knowledge of space and time?)

Also, in order to fully understand the verses you cited, you need to consider the context, the surrounding verses and sometimes the entire chapter.

So here we go: (ASV/NWT)

Gen 1:1 “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth”

Gen 1:1 means that the “heavens and the earth” were created by God. There's no mention of sequence of events, no before or after. This could also mean that the earth was created billions and billions of years ago – in fact according to the latest calculations it's about 4BYO.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Now v2 - says that the “was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep” – thus the earth at this stage (billions and billions of years ago) was an inhospitable and inhabitable place/planet.

But time came when God’s (YHWH: Jehovah/Yahweh) plan for the ages was to be put into action. Make the earth into the crowning glory of all his creations – a place to be inhabited to times indefinite. He choose just the right planet amongst other planets in the universe.

Continuing...

Remember in V2 the “earth was 'formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of [the] watery deep” - the earth (Terra-firma – solid ground) was dark because it was enveloped in “watery deep” but “God’s Holy Spirit (power/active force) was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters”. Thus God's power/holy spirit became operative. What happens next?


(1st Creative 'Day') “And God said, Let there be light: and there was light” (Genesis 1:3) “. . .And the evening and the morning were the first day." (Genesis 1 :5) – the statement “Let there be light” does not mean that light was created at this stage. No, but it simply means that “light” (Hebrew 'ohr) in general sense was now present on earth.

To make this more clearer note how other bibles render v3:

“And God proceeded to say: “Let light come to be.” Then there came to be light” NWT
“And gradually light came into existence.” (A Distinctive Translation of Genesis)

This light was from the sun, but the sun itself could not be seen through the overcast. Hence, the light that reached earth was “light diffused,” as indicated by a comment about verse 3 in Rotherham’s Emphasised Bible. Next event.

(2nd creative day: v6-8) “‘Let an expanse come to be in between the waters and let a dividing occur between the waters and the waters.’ Then God proceeded to make the expanse and to make a division between the waters that should be beneath the expanse and the waters that should be above the expanse. And it came to be so. And God began to call the expanse Heaven.”

This simply means that a separation of waters occurred as a huge part of the waters were pushed up the earth like a 'canopy' and the rest remained on earth; the division between these two bodies of water was called “heaven”. Gen 1:20 calls it “the expanse of the heavens” or in other words - sky where later birds could fly in.

(3rd creative 'day': v9,10) "Let the waters under the heavens be brought together into one place and let the dry land appear.’ And it came to be so. And God began calling the dry land Earth, but the bringing together of the waters he called Seas.”

Geologists would explain such major upheavals as “catastrophism”. A tremendous force was indeed used to lift land masses to separate them from the water below - but in a controlled manner.

Note: whatever means were used to accomplish the raising up of dry land (noone knows), the important point is: both the Bible and science recognize it as one of the stages in the forming of the earth. Thus on the 3rd 'Day' dry land appeared and water basins formed as “Seas”. What's the next obvious event to occur?

Here on the 3rd creative 'Day' plant life appeared (v11): “‘Let the earth cause grass to shoot forth, vegetation bearing seed, fruit trees yielding fruit according to their kinds, the seed of which is in it, upon the earth.’ And it came to be so.”

So by the close of this third 'creative period', three categories of land plants had been created: Grass, vegetation bearing seed and fruit trees.

At this point the diffused light would have become quite strong so that the process of photosynthesis vital to green plants was now occurring. Microscopic organisms, water plants and others are not specifically named, but likely were created on this “Day.”

Now we come to your verses: but let's consider v14 and 15 also.

(4th creative 'day': v14-19)

“14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years: 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made the two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.”

Here’s how to understand the word ‘light’.

Back in the first “creative 'day'” the expression “Let light come to be” was used. It was used here also but notice the difference between the Hebrew words used for “light”.

In the 1st 'creative day' the word is ’ohr, meaning light in a general sense (ambient light). But here on the fourth “Day,” the Hebrew word changes to ma•’ohr′, which means the source of the light.

So if you were present during the 4th creative 'Day' on earth you would be able to discern the sun, moon and stars (thru the 'water canopy'), which would “serve as signs and for seasons and for days and years”.

Also v15, the moon would indicate the passing of lunar months, and the sun the passing of solar years.

Next:
(5th creative 'day': v20,21) “‘Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living souls and let flying creatures fly over the earth upon the face of the expanse of the heavens.’ And God proceeded to create the great sea monsters and every living soul that moves about, which the waters swarmed forth according to their kinds, and every winged flying creature according to its kind.”


Here animals of every sort were created - flying creatures, fish including the "great sea monster" and possibly dinosaurs appeared at this stage of the creation sequence.

Next:

(6th creative 'Day':v24) “‘Let the earth put forth living souls according to their kinds, domestic animal and moving animal and wild beast of the earth according to its kind.’ And it came to be so.”

Land animals characterized as wild and domestic appeared. But this final “day” was not over. One last remarkable “kind” was to come:

v26,27: “And God went on to say: ‘Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth.’ And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them.”

At last man was created in God's 'image' possessing his foremost attributes of love, wisdom, justice and power. They will now become the dominant inhabitants of the land – that is to take care of it (‘have in subjection) and turn the ENTIRE earth into a Paradise. This job will start in a beautiful place called the Garden of Eden. They (Adam and Eve) and their offspring will spread the garden earth wide and populate the earth with RIGHTHEOUS PEOPLE (but sadly they failed – good news is God’s plan will be fully realized in the end – Matt 6:9, 24:14, John 3:16, 17:3, Dan 2:44, Rev 21:1-5).

Note also:
“The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it.” -- Ps. 37:29:

Finally:

7th “day': God 'rested' or desisted from his 'creative' activities. Creation of life on earth is done.

Gen 2:1-3: “And the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it; because that in it he rested from all his work which God had created and made.”


So to summarize the sequence of the creative 'Day':

1) Planets, sun moon stars already existed (created) billions and billions of years ago.
2) Watery earth was formless.
3) Preparation of earth to be inhabited.

Day 1: Light (of some sort) came to be on a formless watery earth.
Day 2: Separation between waters above and waters below, expanse (sky) appeared.
Day 3: Dry land, vegetation, organism appeared and water basins formed (seas).
Day 4: Lights from the luminaries became discernible from earth. Days and seasons.
Day 5: Animals of every sort appeared; fish, flying creatures, sea monsters – dinosaurs.
Day 6: More animals -wild and domestic and finally man was created.
Day 7: Creation done.

Now, here's what science say about the mathematical probability of the Genesis creation account - proof that it must have come from a source with knowledge of the events. The account lists 10 major stages in this order:

(1) A beginning.
(2) A primitive earth in darkness and enshrouded in heavy gases and water.
(3) Light.
(4) An expanse or atmosphere.
(5) Large areas of dry land.
(6) land plants.
(7) sun, moon and stars discernible in the expanse, and seasons beginning.
(8) sea monsters and flying creatures.
(9) wild and tame beasts, mammals.
(10) man.

Side q: Any idea what's the probability of getting the correct sequence in the first try?

If you're wondering about the word 'Day' as in Creative 'Day' note the following definitions: specifically Day 3 definition.

Day 1
Definition: The time of light, or interval between one night and the next; the time between sunrise and sunset, or from dawn to darkness; hence, the light; sunshine.

Day 2
Definition: Those hours, or the daily recurring period, allotted by usage or law for work.


Day 3
Definition: A specified time or period; time, considered with reference to the existence or prominence of a person or thing; age; time.


Day 4
Definition: (Preceded by the) Some day in particular, as some day of contest, some anniversary, etc.


Day 5
Definition: United States writer best known for his autobiographical works


Day 6
Definition: a period of opportunity; "he deserves his day in court"; "every dog has his day"


Day 7
Definition: some point or period in time; "it should arrive any day now"; "after that day she never trusted him again"; "those were the days"; "these days it is not unusual"


Day 8
Definition: the recurring hours when you are not sleeping (especially those when you are working); "my day began early this morning"; "it was a busy day on the stock exchange"; "she called it a day and went to bed"


Day 9
Definition: time for Earth to make a complete rotation on its axis; "two days later they left"; "they put on two performances every day"; "there are passengers per day"


Day 10
Definition: a day assigned to a particular purpose or observance; "Mother''s Day"


Day 11
Definition: the time after sunrise and before sunset while it is light outside; "the dawn turned night into day"; "it is easier to make the repairs in the daytime"


Day 12
Definition: the time for one complete rotation of the earth relative to a particular star, about minutes shorter than a mean solar day


Day 13
Definition: the period of time taken by a particular planet (e.g. Mars) to make a complete rotation on its axis; "how long is a day on Jupiter?"


Day 14
Definition: an era of existence or influence; "in the day of the dinosaurs"; "in the days of the Roman Empire"; "in the days of sailing ships"; "he was a successful pianist in his day"

*Reference note to the word “DAY”
ardictionary.com...

Hope this helps!

Ty,
edmc2



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:17 PM
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The scientific community cant even agree what the nearest planet is really like. We are so small in this universe. Astronomy is facinating but most of what we think we know is based on assumptions that the universe operates according to the same laws as we do. If you had been Moses and was given a glimpse of how the world was created, as just a simple man standing on the Earth, I suspect it would be written in a similar fashion.

We can scoff at how simplistic the creation story is, but our own modern day theories and views may someday be somehow proven to be just as simplistic or down right wrong. Maybe God knew we could never comprehend just how complex and amazing this universe really is; but he doesnt want us to be focused on his creation, we should be focused on him.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:34 PM
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This passage was authored (or interpreted/transcribed) by someone with a very specific viewpoint - one who had a very primitive view of the 'Universe', that is to say, extremely limited - to be blunt, from the perspective of Earth being the center of everything, and with nowhere near the understanding of the solar system & cosmos that we have today!
This still stands true to this day. The bible speaks of life. Earth being describe in this manner is correct. The Earth is the center of the universe. Earth is the only world (as we know it) which contains life.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by SquirrelNutz
You agree that stars (and in particular, our SUN) were created before the planets, right?


You need to understand that the bible is not a scientific book… Science observes things from within the confines of creation. The God in the bible does not reside within His creation, within it’s confines, within space, time and matter nor is His actions subject to its laws of physics that He created. The creation is subject to those laws but not the Creator. This is why the bible is filled with many miracles that defy these laws such as bringing someone back to life after they’ve been dead 4 days. The entire creation was a miracle, not just causing an axe head to float, turning a river to blood, turning water into wine or creating the earth before the sun because those actions were all conceived and initiated outside the laws contained within the creation where the observations and conclusions of mortal science and the unbelieving are imprisoned.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 09:43 PM
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Throwing a ping pong ball at a wall is quite different than particles being attracted to each other by gravity. Instead, your question should be how many times do you have to drop a ping pong ball before it falls to the ground? That's right, the earth's gravity will attract the ping pong ball every time. Case closed. Thanks for playing along.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by tspark
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evolution is false....because if it was true....mothers would have a 3rd arm....


if your die-hard humanist than it not worth trying to convince....in humanism man is his own god... it is the lie that has been preached since the garden of eden....


Never said I was an evolutionist. I'm not.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 11:20 AM
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You need to understand that the bible is not a scientific book…


You need to understand the difference between science and history.

Shouldn't the most important book in the world, inspired by the word of God, and claiming to be an historical record on the creation of everything, get the most basic elements of its story right?!

There's no need to be Carl Sagan or Isaac Newton to understand that.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 11:24 AM
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I would hazard a guess that you still have not checked out the link I submitted earlier. The original word of God did get the basics right. Men have hidden and distorted the truth, not God. It may be that you are not really looking for truth, and if not, please ignore. If you are seeking truth, here is the link once more:
www.thechronicleproject.org...

For an easy start, scroll down to the english paraphrased version. Good luck!



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by SquirrelNutz
You need to understand the difference between science and history.


While there is a difference between science and history there is no difference between the unbelieving scientist and the unbelieving historian or believing scientist and believing historian when viewed within the topic of this thread which is about the bible.

If a scientist or historian believes that everything (space, time and matter) was brought into existence by the Creator in the bible then they must realize that it would be impossible for that Creator to have done that solely from within the creation. Like building a coke bottle from within the bottle… you need access to inside and outside the bottle.

If a scientist or historian does not believe that everything was brought into existence by the Creator in the bible who exists outside of the creation (space, time and matter) or outside the bottle then the biblical account of creation will never make sense to them because like Sagan it will be analyzed from within the bottle. Since they can not prove anything exist outside the bottle then historical accounts in the bible that appear outside the bottle such as…..

“’Sun, stand still over Gibeon; and moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.’ So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the people had revenge upon their enemies. “

… could not be believed by them. So to the unbelieving historian or the unbelieving scientist (those who do not believe the biblical account of a Creator outside of the bottle) the most basic elements of such biblical accounts are wrong.

So the bible is not a book about science… it’s a book about a Creator who exists outside of creation. So why should readers complain when they read a book that solely deals with accounts that cannot be explained by science and only by the existence of a Divine Creator that is not limited by His creation?



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posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by SquirrelNutz
This passage was authored (or interpreted/transcribed) by someone with a very specific viewpoint - one who had a very primitive view of the 'Universe', that is to say, extremely limited - to be blunt, from the perspective of Earth being the center of everything, and with nowhere near the understanding of the solar system & cosmos that we have today!

I mean, we know how the earth was created with the rest of the solar system and universe - to suggest that the earth was created before the 'lights' were thrown in the sky (sun, moon, and stars) shows a complete lack of understanding of how things were created.

You have to at least get the beginning right, if you expect people to swallow the rest of the bull#.

Don't fight the science, man.

Counterpoint?


vrs 1 'In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.'

the earth and the universe were already created before the "first creation day" (day doesnt mean literal day, infact the hebrew means only a "period of time". Gen 2:4 refers to all 7 days as one day for example).

the creation account was not a telling but rather a vision (god is not saying what he is doing but rather an observer is retelling the account.) that in mind, the first chapter is likely told from someone standing on earth observing creation.

understanding this shows us that the account is actually scientifically correct. the earth's early atmosphere was full of gasses from volcanic activity and this would have blocked out the sun's light. when single cell'd life appeared, they began to process the atmosphere, pumping oxygen into the air, this process would have been slow.

the first creation day, light first appeared, but the 4th day (untold millions of years later?) the atmosphere would have cleared up enough to see the stars and moon.

someone writing what they saw may have thought the stars were created later.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by brutalsun
I wonder why atheist's obsess about religion?


because deep deeeep deeeeeep down they know they are responsible for it.

one accepted definition of atheist is one who does not believe in a supreme being or deity above or greater than them.

atheists sometimes lack the empathy to put themselves into the shoes of some imaginary entity they do not believe in, so sometimes the believers have to do it for them and explain the simple things:

the first commandment says: you will have no god but me.

so, who ever wrote the first commandment said there is no higher deity above them, no supreme being greater than them.

The God that wrote the first commandment fits one definition of atheist.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 06:10 PM
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A solar calendar is a calendar whose dates indicate the position of the earth on its revolution around the sun
en.wikipedia.org...
A lunar calendar is a calendar that is based on cycles of the lunar phase.
en.wikipedia.org...
A lunisolar calendar is a calendar in many cultures whose date indicates both the moon phase and the time of the solar year.
en.wikipedia.org...

The first solar and lunar calendars were used in early history and were not combined to form lunisolar calendar to create a dual use calendar in the begining of the Bible. The first sign in the Bible that shows the two calendars joining and creating the lunisolar is after Methuselah lived his 969 years. They say no man shall live more than a 120 years after that point. Methuselah's life was measured in a Lunar calendar that the Hebrew used at that time. They changed to a Solar calendar to measure a year after that point. Why did the use a Lunar calendar because they were farners. Farmers following the Lunar calendar for harvesting and planting. If the Hebrew didn't follow that calendar they would be harvesting at the wrong time planting seeds when they wouldn't grow like the Egyptians were doing until Joseph a Hebrew was allowed to viceroy over Egypt. Why did he become viceroy over Egypt he taught them planting ,harvesting and storage of crops and how they were done by the Lunar calendar.

en.wikipedia.org...(son_of_Jacob)



Pharaoh had two dreams which disturbed him. He dreamt of seven lean cows which rose out of the river and devoured seven fat cows; and, of seven withered ears of grain which devoured seven fat ears. Pharaoh's wise men were unable to interpret these dreams, but the chief cup bearer remembered Joseph and spoke of his skill to Pharaoh. Joseph was called for, and interpreted the dreams as foretelling that seven years of abundance would be followed by seven years of famine, and advised Pharaoh to store surplus grain during the years of abundance. Before Josephwas 30 years old, Pharaoh made him viceroy over Egypt, renamed him Zaphnath-Paaneah and married him to Asenath, the daughter of Potipherah,priest of On. Joseph had two sons with Asenath, Manasseh and Ephraim, and Egypt became prosperous under his care.


Theres many stories in the Bible where the measurment of time is based on seperate calendar years and not marked to show the use of which calendar there using. Sometimes when they say a year they mean one moon cycle and other times it is used they mean one year as one sun cycle. Take Methuselah's age 969 months or 80.75 years. That sounds more like it to me. But why did they hide this fact in the Bible? When did you ever see a preacher admit hes wrong? But the original scrolls were not wrong in the way they were written. The forming of the book of the Bible where all the scrolls were brought together in one book is where this problem came from. The person who copied these scrolls should of had more knowledge of the differnces and made notes of the differences in the mearsurement of time. But who wants to tell King James we screwed up on your book we need to fixa couple of things in it.


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posted on Sep, 17 2010 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by Chamberf=6
I hope you aren't serious in your word games.


they are NOT MY wordgames. they existed prior to my birth, therefore i do not own them.

what is the title given to the smartest people on the planet?

my answer is: doctor.

who wrote the codes?

wrote code
minus all the letters that make no sound:
rot cod

rotcod
[reversed] doctor


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posted on Sep, 17 2010 @ 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by dalepmay
Throwing a ping pong ball at a wall is quite different than particles being attracted to each other by gravity. Instead, your question should be how many times do you have to drop a ping pong ball before it falls to the ground? That's right, the earth's gravity will attract the ping pong ball every time. Case closed. Thanks for playing along.


Massive failure.
no two particles of dust,
or specifically defined as carbon c6
in a vector matrix of either Netonian, Enstein,
Kepler, or any other Baba Ganoush physics method
are never going to stick together. Ever. Ever ever ever. Really.

But yes, if you magically already-have-a-planet one particle of carbon will fall and stick to it.


David Grouchy



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posted on Sep, 17 2010 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by Chamberf=6
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Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
eden [phonetically and reversed] nude *yep, they were (reportedly) nude in the garden of eden

No offense, Esoteric Teacher, but all your wordplay examples are in English. The writers of the Bible didn't speak English, obviously. Plus when you reverse words then add and subtract letters like you do, you can make things say whatever you like. Hardly proof of anything.


A Cipher is a key to unlocking an encrypted and encoded text.

for you to consciously acknowledge and recognize the cipher, would require you to admit you lost the cipher internally somewhere amongst all those intracellular communications.

lose cipher?
lucifer?

Neuro-Linguistic Programming

Chamberf=6,
ya, i'm making all of this up and i just pulled this out of my butt. sure



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 07:59 AM
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" So, explain THIS, bilbical scholars (prove to me, it's not all hogwash)"

Definition of DOGMA
1a : something held as an established opinion; especially : a definite authoritative tenet
b : a code of such tenets c : a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds
2: a doctrine or body of doctrines concerning faith or morals formally stated and authoritatively proclaimed by a church

Dogma is associated with what is authoritatively proclaimed by a church. ie: AIMING FOR GOD...


Aim God minus the letters that make no audible sound....

AM GOD [reversed =] DOGMA



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
AM GOD [reversed =] DOGMA


Lovely observation my friend. Taking this thought a bit further...

Doing the reverse of Dogma, ie. not following a church but finding your own Truth within you, there you find Am God.

God is afterall, all around us.

Just a thought.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 02:05 PM
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While this wordplay is all off topic, I have to mention that your link about Neuro-linguistic Programming makes no mention of how you reverse words, add and subtract letters, and use homophones to create other words and/or meanings.
It instead describes NLP's development for use in psychotherapy, and its lack of credibility in the field.

I don't know how you were meaning to use that link to prove your point, because if anything it speaks against what you are saying.

And as you mentioned, yes English is the language of ATS. But the discussion of word origins MUST take into account the evolution of the English language from many other languages. That would mean discussing Latin, Greek, Norse, Romance, Indo-European languages, etc., etc.

That is something that I don't see taken into account at all by your "explanations".

This is the last post in this thread I will debate your ideas of language.

OP and Mods, sorry about the off topic detour.




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posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by Chamberf=6
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While this wordplay is all off topic


i thank you for your time, and your earnest honest response.

I disagree. I think this "wordplay" is directly related to biblical scholars. As i have already supplied justification with credentials that is direct proof that the atbash cipher as well as other codes were utilized when the authors wrote the books of the bible.



, I have to mention that your link about Neuro-linguistic Programming makes no mention of how you reverse words, add and subtract letters, and use homophones to create other words and/or meanings.
It instead describes NLP's development for use in psychotherapy, and its lack of credibility in the field.


there are different aspects in the field of NPL (sender, reciever, medium) as well as side effects. Also, there is direct evidence that words trigger brain activity in different quadrants of the brain other than the quadrants associated with language, as was recently mentioned in the Conspiracy Chicks #6 episode.



I don't know how you were meaning to use that link to prove your point, because if anything it speaks against what you are saying.


I don't think so. I believe it is an aspect of how the brain recognizes languages, and how peoples actions, behaviors, intentions, priorities, and opinions can be manipulated and influenced utilizing words.



And as you mentioned, yes English is the language of ATS. But the discussion of word origins MUST take into account the evolution of the English language from many other languages. That would mean discussing Latin, Greek, Norse, Romance, Indo-European languages, etc., etc.


then why hasn't this thread been deleted and labelled of topic or in violation of the T&C?
So, explain THIS, bilbical scholars (prove to me, it's not all hogwash)



That is something that I don't see taken into account at all by your "explanations".

This is the last post in this thread I will debate your ideas of language.

OP and Mods, sorry about the off topic detour.


If you think discussing how the mind associates language is against the topic of Biblical Scholars then please hit the alert button in which my posts address this.

I will respect you will not to engage with me in discussing this, but so far 2000+ years of reading from left to right has not produced the proof that the OP has requested. Nor am i the only member to have brought this up in this thread.

I am capable of offering hundreds of examples, but if you are determined to ignore the correlations, there is no need to do so.

i thank you for your time, and your response.

appreciative,
et

NPL
floor hide
floride
maybe it's something in the water.



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