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Originally posted by SquirrelNutz
[I put this in Aliens and UFOs Forum, 'cause, if you consider the subject matter...]
Here's one small tidbit from 'The Good Book' that deserves closer scrutiny - directly from Genesis:
16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day."\
(Man was not created until the 6th day. (So, this is not a fallible translation by man))
This passage was authored (or interpreted/transcribed) by someone with a very specific viewpoint - one who had a very primitive view of the 'Universe', that is to say, extremely limited - to be blunt, from the perspective of Earth being the center of everything, and with nowhere near the understanding of the solar system & cosmos that we have today!
I mean, we know how the earth was created with the rest of the solar system and universe - to suggest that the earth was created before the 'lights' were thrown in the sky (sun, moon, and stars) shows a complete lack of understanding of how things were created.
You have to at least get the beginning right, if you expect people to swallow the rest of the bull#.
Don't fight the science, man.
Counterpoint?
Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
eden [phonetically and reversed] nude *yep, they were (reportedly) nude in the garden of eden
Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
One could argue that the author of Genesis was somehow divinely given this information directly from God, but the author then had to use his own human mind and his own human experiences to interpret the information he was given.
I'm not necessarily a highly religious person (I subscribe to pascal's wager) -- However, I see no problem with the author being given the information about creation directly from God, but because he needed to use his own mind to make sense of it all, he therefore perhaps didn't get it exactly right.
edit on 9/14/2010 by Soylent Green Is People because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SquirrelNutz
...You have to at least get the beginning right, if you expect people to swallow the rest of the bull#.
Don't fight the science, man.
Counterpoint?
do you know that in the last 15 years scientist and archeologists have discovered ancient fossils that seem to prove that the first feathers on the planet evolved from dinosaurs.
Originally posted by airspoon
Yes, I knew that, though there is a very good counter-argument against it, so it's hardly proof. However, proof or no proof, it still doesn't matter, seeing how the torah/bible puts man on the Earth in a matter of days. If dinasours existed long before man, then we obviously have a problem. Most Jews I talk to willingly admit this blunder and usually say something to the effect that men are sometimes wrong and the torah simply got it wrong. Most Christians on the other hand, say something to the effect that either science is wrong or their "days" could have been much longer, which again flies in the face of science.
--airspoon
Originally posted by IAMIAM
reply to post by SquirrelNutz
My friend, the earth is NOT the center of the universe. YOU are.
When that was written a man was describing all that he could see from his perspective.
Even with our great technology, we still see the universe through OUR eyes which takes the image to OUR brain and we do the best to comprehend it.
Everyone of us IS the center of OUR universe. We cannot perceive it any other way.
With Love,
Your Brother
- Carl Sagan
If you want to bake an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the Universe.
Originally posted by Chamberf=6
No offense, Esoteric Teacher, but all your wordplay examples are in English.
The writers of the Bible didn't speak English, obviously.
Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by Esoteric Teacher
I hope you aren't serious in your word games.
Atbash is a simple substitution cipher for the Hebrew alphabet. It consists in substituting aleph (the first letter) for tav (the last), beth (the second) for shin (one before last), and so on, reversing the alphabet. In the Book of Jeremiah, לב קמי Lev Kamai (51:1) is Atbash for כשדים Kasdim (Chaldeans), and ששך Sheshakh (25:26; 51:41) is Atbash for בבל Bavel (Babylon). It has been associated with the esoteric methodologies of Jewish mysticism's interpretations of Hebrew religious texts as in the Kabbalah.
Atbash Cipher
XXXVIII. ..... .. . Concerning which the Lord saith in a mystery: Unless ye make the things of the right hand as those of the left, and those of the left as those of the right, and those that are above as those below, and those that are behind as those that are before, ye shall not have knowedge of the kingdom.
Originally posted by davidgrouchy
I've run the accretion methods
and it's bull dookie, colliding dust particles
don't even build mud. They build nothing.
Instead of running a lot of physics
I'll just prove it by analogy.
How many times do I have
to toss a ping pong ball against the wall
before it sticks?
That's right.
It _never_ sticks.
Accretion is not possible without chemistry.
Stickiness is a chemical property
that exerts influence on the
behavior of compounds.
And the theory on
how the earth
was created
is silent
here.
How does accretion make compounds again?
Oh
And thank you for conceding that one _can_
find the actual unvarnished word in the old book
if one looks hard enough.
David Grouchy
Originally posted by icecold7
Originally posted by SquirrelNutz
[I put this in Aliens and UFOs Forum, 'cause, if you consider the subject matter...]
Here's one small tidbit from 'The Good Book' that deserves closer scrutiny - directly from Genesis:
16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day."\
(Man was not created until the 6th day. (So, this is not a fallible translation by man))
This passage was authored (or interpreted/transcribed) by someone with a very specific viewpoint - one who had a very primitive view of the 'Universe', that is to say, extremely limited - to be blunt, from the perspective of Earth being the center of everything, and with nowhere near the understanding of the solar system & cosmos that we have today!
I mean, we know how the earth was created with the rest of the solar system and universe - to suggest that the earth was created before the 'lights' were thrown in the sky (sun, moon, and stars) shows a complete lack of understanding of how things were created.
You have to at least get the beginning right, if you expect people to swallow the rest of the bull#.
Don't fight the science, man.
Counterpoint?
I mean, we know how the earth was created with the rest of the solar system and universe - to suggest that the earth was created before the 'lights' were thrown in the sky (sun, moon, and stars) shows a complete lack of understanding of how things were created.
u know this cuz uwere there when it happened wright?
u dont know f all