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Muslims do NOT care if we burn the Koran! They care about THIS!

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posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 03:27 PM
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reply to post by Blaine91555
 


Propaganda from the "other side." Nope. Those are facts from me. And they aren't lost on most of the American people. For example, saying that 19 muslims hijacked a few airliners and flew them into the WTC's 1 and 2, as well as the Pentagon is not "propaganda." It's just a fact. I'm glad you have a nice muslim friend. Perhaps he can convert you and therefore won't be forced to kill you. You see, the liberal world view is that by sacrificing our personal freedoms with things like body scanners, internet monitering, cameras everywhere, ID cards and all that, we won't have to deport the muslims. My view is if you're worried about the risk of terrorism, start by deporting the muslims, because I'm damn sure not going to wear an rfid chip or have the federal government moniter my everymove. Here's an example of propaganda: "Oh well....It's just a few extremists, they're really peaceful and decent." Again. The question is....If it's just a few extremists, why does it take hundreds of thousands of soldiers and ten years to free Iraq and Afghanistan?
If you make the argument they're siimply responding to our aggression, I remind you of the USS Cole, the 93 attack, etc. They've been at war with us for 20 years. If they wanted peace, all they had to do was not knock dow the WTC. That simple really. They're a death cult. They're murderers who stone women to death and blow up children. Read the quran. It rationalizes killing all they can't convert. It's that simple really. Not my intent to offend you, but these are facts.
Regardless of the pc crap you learn in school, sooner or later the kid that keeps getting beat up for his lunch money learns that if he wants to live in peace, he needs to punch the mean kid square in the nose just as hard as he can. In fact, he needs to beat the crap out of him. After that's done, he may get suspended for a few days, but when he returns to school, nobody will screw with him. That's what works in the real world. And this hasn't changed in the last few thousand years.




posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 03:29 PM
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posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 03:33 PM
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to the op:
not all muslims are from Iraq, and not all Iraqi's are muslim

and i think a lot of them DO care that peope are burning their holy text.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 03:38 PM
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Pick any war and you will find atrocities. Was Dresden bombing justified in the second world war?
It doesn't make any of them right, an atrocity is an atrocity, whether the other side has made its own atrocities or not.

The average Muslim may be peace loving but my question to the average muslim, would he stick up for his fellow brother if he knew they were going to do an act of an atrocity. Or would the "brothership" mean that the average Muslim would stay quiet.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 03:41 PM
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Dude, I could give hundreds of examples. Here's the difference between acts commited by non-muslims and muslims. Muslims do it in the name of their "religion". In the name of "allah." When Squeaky Fromme shot at President Ford, she didn't follow a muslim terrorist manual, get funding from her local mosque, planning from Al Queda headquarters and shout "In the name of Jesus" before she fired. She was just a random phsycho. That's the difference. You guys do it in the name of "allah". It's a part of your religion to kill those you can't convert. Mosques aren't religious centers, they're terrorist branches. Not only that, muslims fight like cowards. They're afraid to put on a uniform and tend to go after unarmed targets. I state again, islam is a lame death cult with poor personal hygeine habits. Furthermore, I don't know why you're here. Don't come over here and tell us how to live, go back to your own crappy country as I'm sure it's more muslim compliant. Blow up your own countrymen. We really don't give a damn what you do over there. Be advised, there's a new wind blowing over here, and it ain't at your back.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 03:42 PM
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Your view is as warped as those of the OP. No Muslim has ever asked me to convert. In fact the people from the Sudan I'm getting to know are refugees, brought here by the Catholic Community Services and being taught to cope with life here by the Christian who introduced me to them.

I had a Palestinian as an employee for a year or so. His only comment about the radicals is they are crazy over there and he will never live there again.

To label all of a group by the actions of part of a group is out and out bigotry. I never thought I'd end up in this conversation on this thread.

It's a shame there is so much hatred exhibited here and so much propaganda to cause more hatred. The Muslims are not out to get you, but the extremists are. If you have not noticed they are also slaughtering other Muslims.

Where the extremists are concerned, I'm on your side; but to label all Muslims part of that crowd is absurd.

The OP is one side of the extreme, you are on the other. The truth lies somewhere in between.


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posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 03:43 PM
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Right now there are "Christians" waging a war inspired by their God in foreign lands. They use weapons emblazoned with bible quotes and their president claims that God personally told him to start these wars. When I speak out about it, I am called un-American. I am called a commie, socialist, kool aid drinker, etc. When I speak out against innocent people being killed in a war supposedly fought in the name of the Christian God, the only people that seem to listen are the detractors that swarm like starving wolves. By your logic, it seems only right that some group of Muslims without Fox news being pumped in daily telling their followers to look around and see what Christianity has brought them, they should be trying to kill me as well as anyone else because I am not personally doing more to stop it?



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 03:47 PM
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I am really not sure where to even begin addressing that post. I can thank you for showing the true colors of this hole little game. There is an agenda at foot and it is being driven by people who prey upon those weakest in mental capcity. Not one thing in your post is even remotely close to reality. It is so ridden with over the top, flat out incorrect statemenst that I have no idea where to begin. I can start with the fact that I am US born and not a Muslim. Other than that I think you have a fantasy land you would enjoy more than anything I have to say.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by Alxandro
PROPAGANDA ALERT!!
Many of them have been pissed since way before anyone ever started bombing any country, so this thread is misleading and inaccurate.
BTW, what about the atrocities commited by Muslims?


edit on 14-9-2010 by Alxandro because: (no reason given)



Truly shocking. What a barbaric people.
Why can't everyone be more like decent God fearing Christians.
Books, people whatever you have...burning is much more, efficient, sanitary and warming on a cold night than stoning people, which just litters the place with rocks and corpses. Sheesh.





Christians: Pyromaniacs of God





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posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 03:56 PM
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So you're saying that when they finish serving their country they go and serve their local communities? Oh no, what animals!!!



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 03:57 PM
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What does this show? Do you disagree with my thread.. Then post exactly that, in that thread. . Then here comes jet lee to butt in and tell the people the TRUTH.. lol your a joke..


Would you be more satisfied if it was Chuck Norris? I disagree with your thread and you seem to be clear supporter of war. Happy?




Do I think that the palestinians are just as much at fault as Israel.. Hell yes!!!!
Do you have any other stunning developments to add?


Do you know the history of Caanan? or Palestine?...If you did you would know that the Jews stole the land claiming that they were the promised people.




But like I stated .. I say we leave them to kill each other.. We need to mind our own business and keep our money..


Leave them to kill each other? Your damn government is funding and supporting Israel with your TAX money. Yes you need to mind your own business and stop playing world police, leave that to the U.N.




Then if a country comes and picks a fight with us .. We kick your teeth down your throat and take your ENTIRE country..


The U.S seems to be the one picking the fights.....not the other countries.




if the people dont like it... Move .. Its ours now!


No comment.......violence begets violence, you seem to have the same mentality as the extremists.

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity - Martin Luther King, Jr.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyElohim
This is extremely deceptive. Newsmax is presenting this as if it were some sort of official FBI estimate. It's not.


Newsmax presented the 1 in 10 Imams preaching Jihad as the conservative estimate of an unnamed FBI agent, as relayed by the writter of a book on terrorism. That was made clear both in the article itself and the extract I posted.

I'm not sure why you find it deceptive.


Originally posted by JohnnyElohim
To wit, Jihad means many different things. There is a Greater Jihad and a Lesser Jihad.


I am unsure why you are debating the meaning of Jihad. Its meaning in the context was clear.


Originally posted by JohnnyElohim
What you should really think on, however, is that it's the game of groups like Al Q'aeda to convince young Muslims of the same thing you are trying to convince ATS readers of, and what you are doing is helping them.


Either 1 in 10 Imams are preaching Jihad or they are not. Pretending it isn't happening won't make the problem go away.

If you are really interested in a solution, try focusing on Wahhabi/Salafi school of Islam, the hardliners from where virtually all the Western Muslim terrorists are drawn.

Wahhabi/Salafi Mulsims don't open their own Mosques but rather, seeing themself as the true Islam, like to attach themself to normal mosques and do their best to take them over.

Perhaps that is why Muhammad Hisham Kabbani, a prominent American Sunni Muslim leader claims that that 80 percent of mosques (in the USA) are being run by "extremist ideologies”?

en.wikipedia.org...

All of the Mosques funded by Saudi Arabia in the West are Wahhabi/Salafi. Funnily enough, allegations were made that the Ground Zero Mosque was Saudi Arabian financed.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 03:58 PM
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Simple and straight forward...if America gets involved in another nation's problems, we are called bad guys. If America doesn't get involved in another nation's problems, and allows them to continue, we are called bad guys. And...if we help a nation that is the enemy of another nation...one likes us and the other hates us. America can not win everyone's respect or thanks by any level of involvement...or non-involvement. So what do we choose? We choose to get involved where we feel it is in our best interest and where the worse "pain" is being caused. And how do we do this? Many times with money...other times with bombs. But with the money, we don't look for payback. And with bombs (you gotta kill the worst enemy, who hide in buildings), we rebuild the buildings after killing the bad guys.

I know it isn't perfect...far, far from. But what would anyone else suggest we do? Should we have ignored Hitler? Would others in Iraq (and surrounding areas) thanked us for staying away and allowing the use of poison gas, etc. by a dictator? Don't get me wrong...I'm 100% against killing people for oil etc...until we don't have any.

WAIT A SEC...DON'T KILL THE MESSENGER! If America were running out of water and air, would we go and take someone else's water and air? Sure we would...as would any other nation. And with the blessing of every citizen of that nation. Even the nations that couldn't possibly win would try. This, in my opinion, is reality. We would take over an alien's planet if we had to...and if you had to provide air for your children, you would steal it from your neighbor. It is our nature...right, wrong or otherwise. Sorry to have to deliver that message of reality, but it is reality.

Now, with that said...no one helps America. If we were dying, who would send aid, money, etc.? Not many or not any. If anyone helped us, it would only be for selfish reasons, as in "we need them" or "what can we expect to get in return". So...as a preemptive measure, we have to remain the most powerful nation so that we can take what we need...if the situation arrives when we need it. NEED being the key word. If we take or do what we WANT...we are evil. If we take or do what we NEED...it is survival.

Again...I don't condone this behavior and I don't support this behavior. But if my child NEEDED something and someone was keeping me from getting it...all bets are off.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
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Your view is as warped as those of the OP.


I wasn't lying though. And I'm not a sympathizer of "the other side". Thats a misconception or misunderstanding.

I was merely pointing out that they burn our flag more so because of War, rather than some stupid book burning.

If you read what I said carefully, you will realize that I said "They simply have bigger issues at the front of their minds"

I didn't mean to insinuate that it was not an issue at all. I was just trying to make the point that the act of bombing the hell out of them, pisses them off WAY MORE than the act of burning a book.


Do you disagree with that?

Do you think they care more about a book burning than they care about their neighbors being destroyed by JDAMS?

Please Blaine, consider this.

Which of the two is a bigger issue?

And, which of the two is parroted in the media the most? Odd thing that is...



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 04:02 PM
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Muslims that are blowing themselves up and mindlessly causing the world grief are the problem. And Muslims that are into peace on earth need to speak up.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
I didn't mean to insinuate that it was not an issue at all. I was just trying to make the point that the act of bombing the hell out of them, pisses them off WAY MORE than the act of burning a book.


Do you disagree with that?

Do you think they care more about a book burning than they care about their neighbors being destroyed by JDAMS?


I disagree...respectably. Their entire society, government and way of life are built around this book. They "live" this book and to them, it is the word of God. They are willing to die and kill by this book, and by the will of God (as told in this book). While at an individual level, some may rather live than die...I personally believe most would die for this book. Or...and I'm not being sarcastic...I have been brain-washed.

Edited to clarify...I refer to "they/them" as the Muslims living in Muslim countries with Muslim governments. Not necessarily everywhere.


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posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by templar knight
The average Muslim may be peace loving but my question to the average muslim, would he stick up for his fellow brother if he knew they were going to do an act of an atrocity. Or would the "brothership" mean that the average Muslim would stay quiet.


That's what worries me. When push comes to shove, how many moderate Muslims would side with non-Muslims against Muslims?

For instance,

If we look at the Danish cartoon controversy, European Muslims, by lopsided majorities, see Western disrespect for the Islamic religion as the root of the problem.

80% of Spanish Muslims feel the problem is Western disrespect, while 79% of French Muslims blame Western disrespect. In the UK, 83% blame a lack of Western respect, with 71% of German Muslims also doing so.

So European Muslims overwhelmingly lay the blame for the Danish cartoons on Western disrespect.

pewglobal.org...

Clearly a large majority of European Muslims side with the Muslim brotherhood on this issue and most certainly will not be supporting European values.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Clearly a large majority of European Muslims side with the Muslim brotherhood on this issue and most certainly will not be supporting European values.



Really? That is an interesting fact. You would think with the USA banning mosques, bombing mosques, shooting at mosques, burning Korans, and oh what was that other thing...indiscriminately killing people in Muslims countries we would have way more support.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 04:15 PM
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The US was bombing the middle east to smithereens long before 9/11, in fact I was on the USS Ranger in the early 80's. Back then they were doing anti terrorist strikes against Lebanon. The missles were a lot dumber back then so they usually included more explosives to be sure to destroy the target. None of those missions appeared in the news. The whole koran burning thing was setup by PsyOps. Isn't it funny just how well orchestrated it all was, a war whose popularity was waning, 9//11 memorial services, predictable reaction from the middle east, just like a hollywood movie, gen. Petraeus deserves an oscar. Think about it this isn't the first anniversery of 9/11, do you remember such a fuss prior to this. Yeah it's because the construction is progressing, uh-huh. Got to stoke the fires of hate to keep the war going. It's a shame the american people are so easily controlled. The MIC is grinning ear to ear confident in their ability to keep it going as long as they want. This war won't end till the next one begins. Iran is next.
The only thing these people did to deserve this is to be born over resources our nation wants to secure.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by rusethorcain
Truly shocking. What a barbaric people.
Why can't everyone be more like decent God fearing Christians.
Christians: Pyromaniacs of God


Its interesting that you should bring this up. Taking the Spanish Inquisition as an example, in its 160 year existence, it killed a grand total of 2,000 people.

Islam today murders that many in a 60 day period.

Roughly calculated, Islam today kills people at a rate almost 1,000 times faster than the dreaded Spanish Inquisition!

www.spiritus-temporis.com...










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