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posted on Oct, 12 2010 @ 05:48 AM
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Hi everyone,

By reading a lot of the comments here, I think most Americans have made up there mind. Maybe it's time you people fight back, with out violence( preferably ) What does every one do when they want something, the whole nation gets together and straight to the white house you go.

As a Australian and proud of it, I think its time each country that is involved with this war, should all pull out at the same time. See and this is why President Obama want's to be able to shut down the internet, with a snap of his fingers. Because it is a tool, for everyone, to put the facts straight with what is going on. Then all of a sudden they have a global protest, to stop all this Rubbish from going on. Maybe this is what humanity has to face, in ought to bring peace back one the earth.

I think a lot of people are waking up from there slumbers, and not liking what they see. May be the time is close at hand, for that enlightening moment. That's what it's all about in the end, isn't it? Peace and respect among our fellow beings? No more of these wars on these petty little thing's, like oil, money, power, greed. It's nearly time for us as humans to put our childish behaviors away, and start looking at the future for our children and their children.

If we all had co-operated from the start, when all this technology began, imagine of how far we would be today. All It is about is helping our fellow human beings, and some today, can't even say hello to their neighbors? Why and how we fell for the trap? it does not matter, Why they had to do this? does not matter, The question is, now you have woken up to what is happening around you. What are you gonna do about it? Take good care people

Love and Peace

Rick




posted on Oct, 12 2010 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by maybereal11
No one here is contesting whether Islamic Terrorists exist...


We have a break through.



You are verging on a mental disorder...are you able to find one of my posts where you can demonstrate that I have ever contested that terrorism exists and is a threat?

Terrorism is a weapon that is designed to inflict not just casualties, but...well..."terror".

Al-Qaeda's goal was not to eradicate the West. That is not possible. Their goal was to inflict "terror"...provoke irrational reactions, fear and with a little luck we would destroy ourselves, lose support in the world and best case scenario we will dismantle our own way of living that threatens them.

That is the aim of terrorism and the end purpose your rhetoric serves. Al-Qaeda killed a few thousand Americans...but your bretheren?..you are Al-Qaeda's loud speaker...spreading the message of "terror"...fear mongering and calling for the destruction of the liberties that threaten them.

You are one of the ignorant voices that put the "terror" in "terrorism".

You are member of team Al-Qaeda and that is why I am happy to call you on your BS..
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posted on Oct, 12 2010 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by joewalker
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Hey maybereal11, just an opinion but I think you have made some very interesting information in these posts. I must admit to not having heard of the 'know nothings' before, looks like I have some reading to do.

Thank you for the timely reminder.

Joe.


Thanks Joe. I just discovered the Knownothing party recently myself..and it is amazing. So many similarities to what is going on today...if only we could learn from our past rather than repeat it we could save precious time and energy in this country and focus on what we need to do to thrive and succeed as a nation....that said, it is comforting to know that history has proven time and again that America, while by design allows all voices to be heard, in the end rests on the uncompromising liberties we were founded on.



The Know-Nothing Party, also known as the American Party, was a prominent United States political party during the late 1840s and the early 1850s.

The American Party originated in 1849. Its members strongly opposed immigrants and followers of the Catholic Church. The majority of white Americans followed Protestant faiths.

Many of these people feared Catholics because members of this faith followed the teachings of the Pope. The Know-Nothings feared that the Catholics were more loyal to the Pope than to the United States.

More radical members of the Know-Nothing Party believed that the Catholics intended to take over the United States of America. The Catholics would then place the nation under the Pope's rule. The Know-Nothing Party intended to prevent Catholics and immigrants from being elected to political offices. Its members also hoped to deny these people jobs in the private sector, arguing that the nation's business owners needed to employ true Americans.

www.ohiohistorycentral.org...



posted on Oct, 12 2010 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by maybereal11
The Anti-Mosque crowd has the right to protest...I'd even fight for thier right to do so.

I have a right to call them on their bigotry.


www.abovetopsecret.com...


Do you now?

You have called 58% of the Arab world bigots!
You have called 70% of New Yorkers bigots!
You have called 61% of Americans bigots!

Are you sure it’s not you who is the bigot?

A pro-miitant Islamic bigot?

58% of Arab World Objects to Ground Zero Islamic Center
freemarketmojo.com...

70% of NYers demand: Move the GZ mosque!
www.nypost.com...

61% of respondents oppose the construction of the Park51/Cordoba House project
www.time.com...

So most of the Arab world, most New Yorkers and most Americans oppose the Ground Zero Mosque, but you have the bigotry to call them bigots.

You are a silly man.

And a bigot.


Originally posted by maybereal11
If you keeping saying Jihadist/Terrorist and Muslim in the same sentence the lazy minded will stop realizing there is a difference.


You appear to assume that you are smarter than everyone else (in common with many left wing zealots) and appear to be asserting that you have the right to control what information ‘lazy minded’ people should be exposed to.

And to call them bigots.

Is it not fascists who try to control the information that people are allowed to see?

Of course in the West, left-wing zealots also appear to think they have the power to control what information people are allowed to see.

For their own good, of course....



Originally posted by maybereal11
FYI - I am for religious freedom and genuinely think Islam is a lovely religion when not taken to extremes

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Oh well, at least we know where you stand.


Originally posted by maybereal11
"Ground Zero Mosque" is a phrase designed to incite emotion and division, kudos to the AP for not chasing Fox News ratings.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Oh, so we are not allowed to call it the Ground Zero Mosque now.

Let me guess. It’s bigoted?


Originally posted by maybereal11
There are a long list of Christians Extremist Groups that feel the same way..have you examined the stats for Christians? Eric Rudolph bombed American civilians in the name of God and he was a folk hero to many evangelicals.

Every religion has it's extremists...martydom is not just a component of Islam...

www.abovetopsecret.com...


The old, “if Christians are murdering people, then why are aren’t Muslims allowed to murder people?” argument.

An argument much loved by left-wing zealots who feel the need to excuse murder in the name of Islam.


Originally posted by maybereal11
"Terrorist NYC Mosque Imam puts plan in place to maximize recruiting of terrorists and convert Americans from other faiths to Radical Islam!!!"

I am just seeing if I can predict far right-wing spin.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


You are doing just fine by yourself with your own left-wing spin.


Originally posted by maybereal11
You are member of team Al-Qaeda and that is why I am happy to call you on your BS..

Really?

I would say if anyone has Islamic leanings, it’s you!

I reserve the right to call a left wing zeolot, like yourself, out on your BS.
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posted on Oct, 12 2010 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by maybereal11
..you are Al-Qaeda's loud speaker...spreading the message of "terror"...fear mongering and calling for the destruction of the liberties that threaten them.


I don't think Al-Qaeda needs any help from me in spreading terror...

Al-Qaeda magazine published 'tips on how to kill Americans'



A magazine run by the Yemeni group al-Qaeda of the Arabian Peninsula has published a list of tips on how to kill Americans.

"A random hit at a crowded restaurant in Washington, DC at lunch ... might end up knocking out a few government employees," one article reads...

The edition also includes "The Ultimate Mowing Machine," which describes how to use a pickup truck "as a mowing machine, not to mow grass, but mow down the enemies of Allah."

It says "to achieve maximum carnage, you need to pick up as much speed as you can while still retaining good control . . . to strike as many people as possible in your first run."

...Samir Khan, describes how he went from online jihadist in North Carolina to full-time terrorist in Yemen. The article is entitled, "I Am Proud to be a Traitor to America."

www.telegraph.co.uk...


Originally posted by maybereal11
..you are Al-Qaeda's loud speaker...spreading the message of "terror"...fear mongering and calling for the destruction of the liberties that threaten them.


BS meter!

When did I call for the destruction of liberties that threaten Al-Qaeda?

You do get carried away, don't you with your BS


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posted on Oct, 12 2010 @ 05:18 PM
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Wow...that rambling was hilarious! It's like you are foaming at the mouth speaking goobly-gop.

Let me clarify for you..


Originally posted by ollncasino


Originally posted by maybereal11
If you keeping saying Jihadist/Terrorist and Muslim in the same sentence the lazy minded will stop realizing there is a difference.


You appear to assume that you are smarter than everyone else (in common with many left wing zealots) and appear to be asserting that you have the right to control what information ‘lazy minded’ people should be exposed to.


I don't assume I am smarter than everyone else, but I am smart enough (like most people) to realize there are some not so smart people around...I won't name names...you seem like the sensitive type.

Acknowledging the idiots amongst us doesn't make anyone an elitist.


Originally posted by ollncasino


Originally posted by maybereal11
FYI - I am for religious freedom and genuinely think Islam is a lovely religion when not taken to extremes

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Oh well, at least we know where you stand.


Was that supposed to be a knock?...oh look!!! He believes in "freedom of religion"...and he doesn't despise the islamic faith, only the extremists!!

I stand by the post. Your retort sums up where you stand..in opposition to "freedom of religion" and more broadly religious tolerance.


Originally posted by ollncasino


Originally posted by maybereal11
"Ground Zero Mosque" is a phrase designed to incite emotion and division, kudos to the AP for not chasing Fox News ratings.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Oh, so we are not allowed to call it the Ground Zero Mosque now.


You can call it what you want...Fox sure did...catchy..but that still won't place the Mosque on Ground Zero and make the claim true or accurate. There are dozens of "Ground Zero" bars and a couple of "ground Zero" strip clubs between the Ground Zero Mosque and Ground Zero.



Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by maybereal11
There are a long list of Christians Extremist Groups that feel the same way..have you examined the stats for Christians? Eric Rudolph bombed American civilians in the name of God and he was a folk hero to many evangelicals.

Every religion has it's extremists...martydom is not just a component of Islam...

www.abovetopsecret.com...


The old, “if Christians are murdering people, then why are aren’t Muslims allowed to murder people?” argument.


Your attempts to distort my posts are just cracking me up....It's like you are trying hard to make people think you are just too dumb to read properly.

I'll help you here..
It's not OK for ANY extremist group to murder people...shouldn't we damn them all?
Or maybe distinguish between religious folks and terrorists? Alien concept to you?


Wow...not sure it was worth the effort to respond as your post pretty much discredited itself, but seeing as you raked over a large part of my posting history to assemble that list...wow..that was great. Thanks for the entertainment.
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posted on Oct, 12 2010 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
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Originally posted by maybereal11
..you are Al-Qaeda's loud speaker...spreading the message of "terror"...fear mongering and calling for the destruction of the liberties that threaten them.


I don't think Al-Qaeda needs any help from me in spreading terror...

Al-Qaeda magazine published 'tips on how to kill Americans'



A magazine run by the Yemeni group al-Qaeda of the Arabian Peninsula has published a list of tips on how to kill Americans.


They may not need it...but you sure do give it to them!

To quip that gem while in the same post continuing with your fear mongering campaign...

it's like you have a fear mongering disorder.

You are just giving me the giggles today.



posted on Oct, 12 2010 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino


Originally posted by maybereal11
..you are Al-Qaeda's loud speaker...spreading the message of "terror"...fear mongering and calling for the destruction of the liberties that threaten them.


BS meter!

When did I call for the destruction of liberties that threaten Al-Qaeda?

You do get carried away, don't you with your BS


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BTW ... I know you have only been here a few months, despite your thousand plus posts bashing Muslims...but you must be aware that there is a record of your posts?

To answer your question...here is a sampling of posts where suggested of stripping Muslim Americans of thier rights..I know there are more, but I am not going to read through your 1000 pages of gobbly gook.


Originally posted by ollncasino


Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Who said you had to embrace Islam? How about respecting freedom of religion.


How about respecting the secular rights of the ordinary non Muslim who doesn't want to see a religious movement grow in the USA



Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by MrXYZ
Which is exactly why this fear mongering is accomplishing nothing. Apart from increasing general racism against a whole people just because a tiny minority are extremists.


I agree with your aims. We need to preserve freedoms and liberties. I however differ from you in believing the best way to do that is to not tolerate the intolerant Religious-Political movement we call Islam.

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Originally posted by ollncasino
The more reasonable conclusion would be that many people no longer agree with the right they perceive to have been given in the constitution to Muslims to build the mosque.

Perhaps the constitution needs ammended. The Sienna poll would suggest that it does.




Originally posted by ollncasino

If the majority of the American people wished the constitution to be amended it would be unconstitutional to block an amendment.



Originally posted by ollncasino
Rights need to be balanced. Also, people have rights taken away by the state every day. Drink driving - lose your license.

No one has an absolute right to a right. What a simplistic argument. I really have lost a lot of respect for your position now.



Originally posted by ollncasino

I also think that Muslim immigration into Western countries should be curtailed.


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posted on Oct, 13 2010 @ 12:50 AM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
This fact proves the whole Koran burning issue is straight PROPAGANDA PSY-OPS.
Psychological Operations to DISTRACT everyone from the REAL ISSUE HERE.

The fact we are BOMBING cities full of innocent people!
That is the REAL issue. That is why Muslims are pissed! Duh!


What more can I say?


I would tend to agree that the "Victory Mosque" and the Koran burning events are meant to distract and evoke emotions. I doubt its a coincidence that these have become "hot button issues" coinciding with elections less than a month away.

You touch on another important point. While we are brain washed with the endless mantra, "they hate us for our freedom", the truth is never discussed or reported.

And the truth is that since the 1950's we have been assassinating and overthrowing democratically elected leaders in the Middle East beginning with Iran's Mohammad Mosaddegh via Operation Ajax in 1953, culminating with an illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq 50 years later.


Mohammad Mosaddegh was the democratically elected[1][2][3][4] Prime Minister of Iran from 1951 to 1953 when he was overthrown in a coup d'état backed by the United States Central Intelligence Agency.

The CIA called the coup Operation Ajax[8] after its CIA cryptonym.

en.wikipedia.org...


For example, while our media condemns the 1979 American hostage situation in Iran, they refuse to report that this was the direct result of a US supported and installed puppet dictator in the form of the Shah, who tortured the Iranian population for more than 25 years.


SAVAK was the domestic security and intelligence service established by Iran's Shah by recommendation of Government of the United Kingdom and with the help of the United States' Central Intelligence Agency and Israel's Mossad. SAVAK operated beginning in 1957 and ending in 1979 when the Shah was overthrown. SAVAK has been described as Iran's "most hated and feared institution" prior to the revolution of 1979...

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Oct, 13 2010 @ 12:51 AM
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How is my bigoted Maybereal11 today?



A bigot: a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

dictionary.reference.com...


That’s would be you.


Originally posted by maybereal11

The Anti-Mosque crowd has the right to protest...I'd even fight for thier right to do so.

I have a right to call them on their bigotry.


www.abovetopsecret.com...


You have called 70% of New Yorkers bigots and the 61% of Americans who oppose the Ground Zero Mosque bigots.

Should they just feel ashamed, shut up and go stand in the corner?

They are bigots, after all, according to you.


Originally posted by maybereal11

If you keeping saying Jihadist/Terrorist and Muslim in the same sentence the lazy minded will stop realizing there is a difference.


You appear to feel that you are intellectually superior enough to not confuse Jihadist/Terrorist and Muslim but feel that other are not.

What an opnionated, self important little man you are!


Originally posted by maybereal11

I don't assume I am smarter than everyone else, but I am smart enough (like most people) to realize there are some not so smart people around...


So some readers of this board are not as smart as you (in your own humble opinion) and need to be protected (in your humble opinion) from anything which associates Muslims terrorists with Muslims?

BS!

What a dangerous bigot you are.

You talk about supporting the US constitution, while simultaneously feeling you (and only you), have the right to control the information that people who are “not so smart” have access to.

You want to restrict the freedom of speech!


Originally posted by maybereal11
Acknowledging the idiots amongst us doesn't make anyone an elitist.


No, it makes you a dangerous bigot who is trying to dig himself out of a hole!


Who are you to think you have the right to call some people “not so smart” and “idiots” and try to control what they are allowed to read?

What a dangerous fanatic you are.

And you have the cheek to call 70% of New Yorkers bigots and the 61% of Americans who oppose the building of the Ground Zero Mosque bigots?

You are a left wing zealot who wants to control other peoples’ freedoms because they are “not so smart” and “idiots”.

What a dangerous man you are!
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posted on Oct, 13 2010 @ 03:14 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

I don't think Al-Qaeda needs any help from me in spreading terror...

Al-Qaeda magazine published 'tips on how to kill Americans'



www.telegraph.co.uk...


I find it interesting that a forum like ATS was created to challenge the propaganda of the establishment with the motto: “deny ignorance”. But in my short time here, I have come across a plethora of posts by people who seem to be mouth pieces of the brain washing which we are presumably here to confront or at-least question...

Why not take a moment to look past the media and Government mantras?

This is hardly a comprehensive list, but knowing what we do about our Government’s history with regards to clandestine operations and false flag attacks beginning as far back as the USS Maine, to the incredibly suspicious events around Pearl Harbor, to the overthrow of Democratically elected leaders from Mossadegh in Iran to Allende in Chile to the fact that we were never attacked in the Gulf of Tonkin to the installation and arming of Saddam to the staged testimony of Nurse Nayirah and the fabricated lies about Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait to the most recent lie based invasion of Iraq…

After the collapse of the USSR, our Govt needed a new enemy and they needed one fast.

Is it plausible that that there is an “evil Communist” like kabal of devil worshipping Muslims who want to destroy the Universe or is it more likely that our Govt needs a constant enemy to justify the incredible spending on the military industrial complex and an excuse to clamp down on our civil liberties as they plunge us into an endless cycle of debt and taxes that is destroying our economy and way of life…


Even a cursory examination begins to reveal the truth about the so called “war on terror”…

We know that the events surrounding 9/11 are highly questionable at best, and an inside job at worst.

We know that Osama Bin Laden was an asset and ally of the US Government (no citation needed for obvious reasons).

We know that izrael created Hamas:

Analysis: Hamas history tied to Israel


Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies.

Israel's support for Hamas "was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative," said a former senior CIA official.

www.upi.com...

Haaretz exclusive: Hamas founder's son worked for Shin Bet for years


The son of a leading Hamas figure served for over a decade as the Shin Bet security service's most valuable source in the militant organization's leadership, Haaretz has learned.

www.haaretz.com...

Hamas, Son of Israel


Begin and his successor, Yitzhak Shamir, launched an effort to undercut the PLO, creating the so-called Village Leagues, composed of local councils of handpicked Palestinians who were willing to collaborate with Israel – and, in return, were put on the Israeli payroll. Sheik Yassin and his followers soon became a force within the Village Leagues. This tactical alliance between Yassin and the Israelis was based on a shared antipathy to the militantly secular and leftist PLO: the Israelis allowed Yassin’s group to publish a newspaper and set up an extensive network of charitable organizations, which collected funds not only from the Israelis but also from Arab states opposed to Arafat.

original.antiwar.com...

As we examine some of the most “militant” of these “radicals”, we find that their backgrounds are highly questionable:


Adam Yahiye Gadahn, one of the FBI’s most wanted Al-Qaeda, was a Jewish convert whose grandfather Carl Pearlman, was on the Board of Directors of the Anti-Defamation League.


Adam Yahiye Gadahn is an American senior operative, cultural interpreter, spokesman[2] and media advisor[3] for the terrorist group Al-Qaeda. Since 2004, he appeared in a number of videos produced by Al-Qaeda as "Azzam the American"

Gadahn was born Adam Pearlman. Gadahn's Jewish paternal grandfather, Carl Pearlman, was on the Board of Directors of the Anti-Defamation League. According to Gadahn, he was a "zealous supporter" of Israel.[7][8]

en.wikipedia.org...

Yousef al-Khattab, born Joseph Cohen is another “radical blood thirsty Muslim”, founder of the group and site, “Revolution Muslim”, who attended an orthodox rabbinical school in izrael…


The group is run by Yousef al-Khattab, born Joseph Cohen, an American Jew who living in Israel and attending an orthodox rabbinical school there, then returned to New York…

en.wikipedia.org...


Even the BBC acknowledges that Osama Bin Laden and “Al-Qaeda” are creations of the US Government…









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posted on Oct, 13 2010 @ 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino


Originally posted by maybereal11

I don't assume I am smarter than everyone else, but I am smart enough (like most people) to realize there are some not so smart people around......I won't name names...you seem like the sensitive type.

Acknowledging the idiots amongst us doesn't make anyone an elitist.




So some readers of this board are not as smart as you (in your own humble opinion) and need to be protected...



"Some Readers"??

Case in point....where you unable to tell I had a specific poster in mind when I wrote the above? ...


Like I said...Your repeated demand for the right to lie to folks unchallenged is great comedy.

Challenging your crazy fear mongering posts and BS is...Oppressing free speech!...Calling other people stupid...Bigoted....A violation of the constituttion ..etc. etc,.

You and Stalin had about the same view of free speech...

Just great stuff.

Please, keep excercising your 1st amendment right to BS and Fear Monger...and I will keep excercising mine to call you what you are



posted on Oct, 14 2010 @ 05:10 AM
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Originally posted by maybereal11
Like I said...Your repeated demand for the right to lie to folks unchallenged is great comedy.


Yet my comments are backed up with documented studies and links.

While your comments are backed up by the desparate ramblings of a bigot.

Here is an report detailing one of your allies pushing the same line as yourself


New York, NY - Hamas Leader: Ground Zero Mosque Must Be Built

A Hamas leader says Muslims “have to build” a mosque near ground zero.

www.vosizneias.com...


You sure know how to pick your allies!
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posted on Oct, 14 2010 @ 05:58 AM
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Immigration Debate Is Renewed



A Top German Conservative Suggests Entry by Arabs, Turks Should Be Limited

online.wsj.com...



posted on Oct, 14 2010 @ 05:58 AM
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The smile that defies the Taliban: Afghan teenager whose mutilated face shocked the world unveils her new image



www.dailymail.co.uk...



posted on Oct, 21 2010 @ 06:58 PM
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Awww man, tough call to say whos worse, the Taliban or the US Govt. If I had to choose one, I guess I would have to go with our Government, simply because they try to present the illusion that they are not evil.

US military in Afghanistan uncovers sadistic death squad in ranks

American soldiers who formed themselves into a “death squad” go on trial this month for the murder and dismemberment of Afghan villagers.


www.telegraph.co.uk...

US air strike wiped out Afghan wedding party, inquiry finds

www.guardian.co.uk...

“American use of DU is a crime against humanity which may, in the eyes of historians, rank with the worst atrocities of all time." US Iraq Military Vets "are on DU death row, waiting to die." – Dr. Christopher Busby

www.truth-out.org...

Afghans' uranium levels spark alert.

The UMRC says: "Independent monitoring of the weapon types and delivery systems indicate that radioactive, toxic uranium alloys and hard-target uranium warheads were being used by the coalition forces."


news.bbc.co.uk...



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posted on Oct, 22 2010 @ 06:33 AM
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Hi everyone!

As you can all see, I'm the newest addition to this forum, and first of all I'd like to apologise for my not so good English.
I am Bosnian. Generaly people arround the world refer to us as «muslims» or at the best «bosnian muslims» and that is an indictment in itself. No one talks about «bosnian catholics» or «bosnian orthodox», cause they can not be a problem, right, beeing a muslim is a problem. That is why we've been put under embargo, under excuse that «more weapons will cause more bloodshed», and that in a situation where we were simultaneously bombed and shot at by two agressors, Serbs and Croats, both generously supported by both West and Russia. We didn't fight for «muslim state», we fought for the right to exist. As always, that (embargo) was just an excuse. Imagine the situation when your very life is threatened for no other reason but because your name is John or Robert or William. What would you do?
British and French said that they «cannot tolerate a muslim state in christian Europe» (see pres. Clinton's book). So, I must go away, I must die? I am supposed to respect their traditions, achivements and democracies, their will, accept the verdict and go into the night? Maybe.
You people simply do not know what islam is. Your behaviour is just making us stronger and firmer in our belief that islam is the right path. Please, don't take it as I'm just another islam-crazied Arab hating the guts of all Americans and West in general and using the opportunity to advertise the glory of islam.
Not at all! United States of America is a great nation and a great country, with it's hard working people who want to make a good and prosperous living for them and their children. US Empire is something that's completely the opposite.
I survived through four years of hell that raged throughout my country with just minor wounds and hurts. You can even forget the wounds, but you can not forget the mental abuse and rape, just because some decadent, arrogant and archaic british lord or american republican is having a moment of past glory and wants to be major decision-maker in this # (sorry) hole of the world.
Look around yourselves. You wage wars in muslim countries. Others are looking closely, asking themselves: Are we next? You answer: No, you are not, just do what we tell you to do! And what is it you want us to do? You say: Be like me, because I am good, I'm chosen by God, I'm executing His will on this earth, obey! Forget who you are, forget your religion, forget your tradition and customs and do as I do, if you want to exist!
That is the way to mass-produce your own enemies! But, who cares, it's only stupid, filthy muslims, right!?

In the year 1492. (when America was discovered by Columbus) Jews were slaughtered and expelled from Spain. They found shelter in Bosnia, then ruled by Otomans. Some of them still live here. During WWII in Bosnia (when Nazis were hunting them like animals and killing and deporting them to concentration camps) many of them were saved and protected by the very same muslims. And still, in 1992. Israel supported the idea to annihilate all the muslims in Bosnia. The Koran was the same then, as now. Why didn't they create Israel between West and East Germany? I'm crazy, right?
Look around yourselves. Try to make friends, not enemies. Empires come and go. Maybe Pakistan is bigger problem than Iran!? Or maybe it's China, or India? Who is next? Look deep into your heart and ask yourself if it is right for Israel to have a finger over more than 500 nuclear bombs. Can you trust them?
You want to be a world policeman. OK! Be that! Remember Chicago in 1936. Nothing is worse than corrupt policeman!
US left us with Dayton peace accord intended to stop the killing and bring peace. Many points and praises for US foreign policy. Fifteen years after nothing is solved. Same recipe as for the Palestinians. US Secretary of State Mrs. Clinton recently visited Bosnia and said that we must do much better to arrange our country for ourselves. Correct. And that with our enemies still doing the same, supported by the same supporters, with peace accord providing them with all means to block every single step towards stabilisation and progress, still trying to rip the country appart and force us to some gheto where they can then easily establish radical muslim government and make it easier to wipe all muslims from the face of Europe for good.
Why is Turkey lifting it's head up? Cause they've had enough! Enough with having your needs and Israel's needs more imoportant than their own. Are you going to fight the rest of the world?
Open your eyes. One and a half billion muslims do not want to kill all the Jews or Americans. We just want your wars to stop, we want the same right to live and make good and prosperous lives for us and our children.
I wish you all the best and may the good God watch over all of us.



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 09:02 PM
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This was very well put. I think it's sad that there are so many people whom are willing to believe just about anything. I personally am all about the truth. I can admit that i really don't know anything because as far as i know ive never met god; hence, who am i to proclaim that i know what he is thinking; or what he even is for that matter.



posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 10:54 AM
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Who cares if we burn Korans all day long?? The Muslims don't!!!


This won't be true. May be you don't care about burning your holy book but we care and we always have cared.




Muslims are pissed because we are bombing their cities to bits and killing civilians, including women and children who are INNOCENT.


Of course we are pissed off . But it is a different issue.





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