reply to post by joewalker
All fair points. The Isreali nuclear arsenal is an issue, and I, to an extent, understand the Arab issues with it. I say to an extent because of all
the wars Israel has fought, it has been brought by their arab neighbors (including the preemptive Israeli strike for the 6 day war, where they beat
the arabs to the trigger by a few days). Does it make it right, or fair?
I would say yes and no based on the following, albeit most likely incorrect, thougths on the matter. In the end I can see Isreal using there arsenal
as a last ditch, and not first strike option. Where other arba countrie sI can see them using it as a first strike weapon.
The mindset is different, where most countries develop nuclear weapons to act as a deterent to their enemies, where other countries develop them to
use as a first strike solution. These countries who favor first strike have barely any comman and control, with it left to field commanderrs (Pakistan
at certain points). I guess my view on the use is based on the countries ambitions. Israel has not stated they want to rule the middle east, where as
Iran has said, numberous times, that Isreael needs to go away. The Iranians have stated that there religious leaders have forbidden the development of
a nuclear bomb to be in contradiciton with Allahs will. Still, sometimes I wonder how much religious invocation by these groups is real, and how much
of it is a smokescreen (And to anyone who is taking offense to this, the comment is directed at the leaders, not the religion itself or the people who
practice it faithfully).
As far as whose best, the Americans or British, is an easy answer - Us Americans dont sing God Save the Queen and you Brits dont speak German
with ya). Actually you would be hard pressed to find any American that does not look up to our British Cousins or Her Royal Majesty. The Simple fact
our National Anthem is based of a British drinking song just goes to show how well we know our cousins, and what songs we can use to show respect to
. Contrary to what people want to say there is a special relationship between the 2 countries that is based on history and a common background.
Every other argument about that relationship based on politics is crap.
The comment about Sharia Law is made because of a small push in certain portions of this country to allow it. More strikingly is some court rulings in
Canada that are allowing it. The issue we run into here in the states is some of Sharia Law will be in violation of Federal and State Constitutional
rights when it comes to due process, freedom of crual and unusual punishment, in addition to a seperation fo church and state. The Native American
countries located within the US are allowed some autonomy, and have some resourceful ways for punishment that are allowed, but do not come close to
what Sharia law allows in todays age.
As far as the people allowing it is where we run into issues. The Court system here will be the one that will take that argument up, not the
american people. There is a reason our judicial branch is as protected as it is from the sway of popular opinion. I guess my view point is this. I
have no issues with Islam, or any other religion from coming to and operating within this country. Its what our country was based on, freedom of
religion, people to worship as they please unmolested by the Government. I just take exception when religion moves from worship over into the
judicial, or educational, or executive or legislative areas. To me, forcing a religious LAW on someone who is not a member of that religion, is
defacto forcing a religion on people, violating the constitution.
Where is the balance? I lived in Michigan for mnay years, and Dearborn comes to mind. They have adapted very well their relgion to this country and
what it stands for.
As far as the US picking favorites.. Guilty as charged I guess. Agin I just find it intresting that we are accused of this, when the countries we dont
want to deal with are not. There is a reason we play favorites, just as Russia does in the middle east, along with France and the UK and Germany. I
can go on, but you get the idea. Dont get me wrong I understand what you are saying, but change takes time, and also requires give AND take from both
As far as the Palestinian-Israeli issue I dont think we have neccisarily chosen sides with blinders on. Do we favor Israel? We do to the extent that
we agree with them on security for israel if a palestinian state is put into place. If the Palestinians refuse to recognize Israel, and see their
security issues, then whats the point? really? Granting a palestinian state that has nation status while still allowing groups to go unchecked in
lobbing katusha rockets into israel will do nothing but cause another war. If the Arab countries could step up and assist the more moderate elements
with the PA, and assist with training and security related issues, I think it would be enough to persuade Israel to give a little. I think Isreals
expansion into the occupied areas is a huge issue, and they, imo, are completely in the wrong as it creates issues.
Having Hizbolah throw a coup in Gaza and act indepently is another issue. To me it would almost seem easier to Let Egypt into Gaza, and Jordan
into the West bank and forgo a palestinian state alltogether, but that wont happen. There were some UN options on the table back in the day about
turning Jerusalem into an international city, and I think this still might be a viable option to satify both sides claim to this area. If I am not
mistaken Israel allows the respective relifions to maintain their areas inside the holy city.
There will not be a true peace until the Palestinians have a home, and Israel is allowed to exist in peace with its neighbors. How do we get
there? How do you cahnge a mindset that have been in place for many years? Where both sides are so distructings of each other, and where citizen
extremists on both sides will do whatever tney can to derail the peace plan?
In my opinion, and if it offends I appologize, but the actions of the Israelis on certain occasion are no better than what they accuse the Nazis
of. I find it pathetic at how quickly people forget History.
Here is my question to non americans reading this. What exactly is it that you expect of us? Serious question. I am curious what the expectations are,
and what specific issues you or your government / country have with our country.
Please give us an idea of the country your from and be specific with the issues.
edit on 19-9-2010 by Xcathdra because: Spelling, Dyslexia check, making fun of the British...
edit on 19-9-2010 by Xcathdra because: Added info about Brain damaged test monkey americans and allowing change in government..
edit on 19-9-2010 by Xcathdra because: Added in response to PA/IS issue and to make fun of the Brits more.
edit on 19-9-2010 by Xcathdra because: Yet more spelling issues.. Stupid queens language..