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Muslims do NOT care if we burn the Koran! They care about THIS!

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posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 04:39 PM
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I wonder if that has anything to do with the Spanish Inquisitions well documented under-use of IEDs and other technological wonders? Have any information about that?




posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by evil incarnate
reply to post by ollncasino
 


I wonder if that has anything to do with the Spanish Inquisitions well documented under-use of IEDs and other technological wonders? Have any information about that?


Indeed, modern day Muslim terrorists are very proficient at using IED, suicide bombs, airplanes, AK47s, home made rockets, hunting knives, explosive packed cars, gas canisters and a multitude of other killing devices to help them murder innocent civilians.

Ironically enough, usually Muslim civilians.

Still, modern day Muslim terrorists do find it much easier to kill large numbers of civilians compared to Muslims in the past.

for instance, just in 2010

Uganda, Kampala

76 innocent people watching the World Cup are blown to bits in two separate bombings by Islamic extremists.

Russia, Moscow

Female suicide bombers massacre about 40 subway commuters and leave another 105 in agony

Somalia, Dhusamareb

al-Shabaab Islamists assault a small town. At least 48 people are killed in the fighting while 150 are injured.

Pakistan, Shah Hason Khel

Children are amply represented among 105 spectators killed and 100 injured at a volleyball tournament by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.

Nigeria, Jos

Muslim youth go on a rampage, hacking about 48 Christians to death after an attack outside a church. The victims include two pastors. 96 are injured.

Somalia, Mogadishu

Women and children are among 19 killed and 30 wounded when Islamists launch multiple assaults on 'apostates and Christian backers.'

India, Pune

17 blasted to death and 37 wounded by a Mujahid bomber at a bakery near a Jewish center.

Iran, Zahedan

At least 27 people are killed and 80 wounded when a Sunni suicide bomber takes out a mosque full of Shia worshippers.

Bangladesh, Baghaichhari

At least 8 people are killed and 200 wounded when Muslim villagers riot against Christian and Buddhist neighbors.

Liberia, Voinjama

A Muslim mob burns churches and kills at least 4 Christians and wound 23.

Philippines, Tubigan

Women and five children (ages 1 to 11) are among 15 gunned down and 13 injured by Moro Islamists sweeping through a Christian village.

Thailand, Yala

A 5-year-old girl is murdered and 23 are injured in a grenade attack by Islamic separatists.

Dagestan Kizlyar

Two suicide bombers send 12 souls to Allah and injure 23, including rescue workers.

Pakistan, Timergarah

55 people at a political rally are dismembered by Mujahideen bombers while 88 are injured..

However, Muslim terrorists still use more traditional methods with great effect. For instance

Nigeria, Dogo Nahauwa

Over 500 Christians, mostly women and children, are hacked to death by Muslim raiders with machetes in a night-time attack on their village. The killers yelled 'Allah Akbar,' as they chopped.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

Why do you appear to be making excuses for Muslim terrorists that kill civiilians, both Muslim and non Muslim?



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 05:03 PM
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what has to happen has to happen



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
Why do you appear to be making excuses for Muslim terrorists that kill civiilians, both Muslim and non Muslim?


Because you cannot read? You tell me why it would appear that way to you. You obviously missed the point. You cannot compare the death rate of a war campaign centuries apart in technology. The ability to kill more people with less work has greatly skewed the body counts. Comparing how many people the Flu kills now compared to how many it killed in 1605 does not say anything about the strength or tenacity of the Flu.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by evil incarnate
You cannot compare the death rate of a war campaign centuries apart in technology. The ability to kill more people with less work has greatly skewed the body counts.


On day 30 of Ramadan, 2010, Islamic extremists in the name of the religion of peace, have carried out 226 terrorist attacks and have murdered 1,028 people.

In the same period, 1 Hindu has murdered 1 Christian.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 05:15 PM
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The fact is the people affected are behaving just the same as we would if a foreign nation occupied our lands - personally I think if we are fighting over oil or whatever else then lets be open and name a whole battalion the American Mercenary Force and lets go get them diamonds and oil. Otherwise every time I hear that some school district has to fire some teachers I just want to punch an army poster.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by rusethorcain
Truly shocking. What a barbaric people.
Why can't everyone be more like decent God fearing Christians.
Christians: Pyromaniacs of God


Its interesting that you should bring this up. Taking the Spanish Inquisition as an example, in its 160 year existence, it killed a grand total of 2,000 people.

Islam today murders that many in a 60 day period.

Roughly calculated, Islam today kills people at a rate almost 1,000 times faster than the dreaded Spanish Inquisition!

www.spiritus-temporis.com...

edit on 14-9-2010 by ollncasino because: add a link



So are you bragging or complaining?



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
On day 30 of Ramadan, 2010, Islamic extremists in the name of the religion of peace, have carried out 226 terrorist attacks and have murdered 1,028 people.

In the same period, 1 Hindu has murdered 1 Christian.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...



The rules on ATS prevent me from simply repeating myself so I will again refer you back to this post right here. I am not sure if you are trying to prove my point or not because you are but seem to not want to be.


edit on 9/14/10 by evil incarnate because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 05:20 PM
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Who in mining the minerals it ain't the US it isn't anyone yet.

The Pentagon task force has already started trying to help the Afghans set up a system to deal with mineral development. International accounting firms that have expertise in mining contracts have been hired to consult with the Afghan Ministry of Mines, and technical data is being prepared to turn over to multinational mining companies and other potential foreign investors. The Pentagon is helping Afghan officials arrange to start seeking bids on mineral rights by next fall, officials said.
NY Times
No one is benefiting from the resources yet as the link above mentioned. So far China is the only country mentioned mining in Afghanistan and that was supposedly due to corruption in the Afghan gov't.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 05:22 PM
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newsfeed.time.com...

"Although September 11 was horrible, it didn't threaten the survival of the human race, like nuclear weapons do."
Stephen Hawking

There is certainly plenty of blame to be passed around.
Let's try to keep things in some sort of perspective and not inflame matters worse than they are.
Also - Own it, if it is yours.



edit on 14-9-2010 by rusethorcain because: provided link to quote



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 05:47 PM
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The burning of their holy document is only adding fuel to the fire. We're hated by most of the Muslim world because of our interference in the Middle East including invasions and bombings. Our support of Israel does not help either.

S&F for this thread



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by rakkasansct
Before you can call an airstrike you have to be getting attacked from that house/building/position. So lets see: they attack us, we attack back, call for bigger guns. Are we both murders then? Or is the evil empire soldiers of America still in the wrong?


Yep I'm trying to debunk your PROPAGANDA. You are doing the same thing the mainstream media is doing with the Quran story. You are trying to rile up hate and anger with a couple videos, and well composed posts.
Not all muslims hate us over there.

So since we are making some muslims hate us with our missile strikes. What made some muslims hate us before 9/11, the 90s, the 70s, the 50s?


First paragraph: yes, that is how it SHOULD work, but that is not how it DOES. Already from Day 1 of the Iraq war - guess WHO ATTACKED FIRST? A major city with bombs.

Get a grip, man.

To your last question? yes, some Muslims hated the West already earlier - for three things mainly:

COLONIALISM (check how many Muslim people were under the thumb of pretty cruel Western powers during the last couple of hundred years - Britain, France, Holland stealing their resources and dehumanizing them to the boot);
EXPLOITATION - which continues to this day, with the help of their colonial aristocracy;
PROPPING UP FASCIST REGIMES WITH MONEY AND ARMS - see the Shah's Iran, Saddam's Iraq earlier (which was called the "best friend of America") today's Saudis etc.

then a few smaller things like DEMONIZING MUSLIMS in general in the press after 911, open discrimination against Muslims and Arab-looking people in many Western lands...

Despite this all, I am surprised by the general tolerance of all these hundred millions of people.

The OP's point comes in addition to the above historical data. Star and flag to the OP.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 06:16 PM
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There will always be a perpetual cycle of retribution between those who follow Mohammad and Jesus. Lets face it, folks. The ottoman empire decimated entire swaths of civilization just because it wasn't islamic, and so did the catholic church. both are bloodthirsty, greedy, and savage. I see it as Karma rolling around. Those who participate in the party will pay the bill when it comes.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by JohnnyElohim
This is extremely deceptive. Newsmax is presenting this as if it were some sort of official FBI estimate. It's not.


Newsmax presented the 1 in 10 Imams preaching Jihad as the conservative estimate of an unnamed FBI agent, as relayed by the writter of a book on terrorism. That was made clear both in the article itself and the extract I posted.

I'm not sure why you find it deceptive.


Because of the .line. And the cast of your post. A diligent reader will mine the information out, but the intent of the article is to make it sound as if these are the words of the FBI as an organization which would carry much more weight. I am not speculating as to your motivations, but I will say that you didn't do much to clarify that fact. Your writing is good so I would be very surprised if you are truly unclear on the nature of my objection.




Originally posted by JohnnyElohim
To wit, Jihad means many different things. There is a Greater Jihad and a Lesser Jihad.


I am unsure why you are debating the meaning of Jihad. Its meaning in the context was clear.



I did not debate the meaning of Jihad. I pointed out that there is a lot of hand-waving around the term and how it is meant to be construed in certain contexts. Yes, I know what you are thinking when you say Jihad. And I surely know what Newsmax is saying. Does that mean that this is the particular type of Jihad these Imams are teaching? Are we doing any analysis? Are they, for example, saying it would noble to fight against Americans in Afghanistan? Are they saying that the lesser Jihad in the context of throwing off oppressors who are violently attacking you is noble? I am sure the type of Jihad they are "teaching" is qualified. And the qualification is important, because while I am sure most United States citizens would find it odious to justify fighting against our soldiers in Afghanistan, they are discerning enough to understand that this is not the type of Jihad Al Q'aeda claims to be all about.

This is the critical difference which is not being conveyed by your posts nor that source.




Originally posted by JohnnyElohim
What you should really think on, however, is that it's the game of groups like Al Q'aeda to convince young Muslims of the same thing you are trying to convince ATS readers of, and what you are doing is helping them.


Either 1 in 10 Imams are preaching Jihad or they are not. Pretending it isn't happening won't make the problem go away.

If you are really interested in a solution, try focusing on Wahhabi/Salafi school of Islam, the hardliners from where virtually all the Western Muslim terrorists are drawn.

Wahhabi/Salafi Mulsims don't open their own Mosques but rather, seeing themself as the true Islam, like to attach themself to normal mosques and do their best to take them over.

Perhaps that is why Muhammad Hisham Kabbani, a prominent American Sunni Muslim leader claims that that 80 percent of mosques (in the USA) are being run by "extremist ideologies”?

en.wikipedia.org...

All of the Mosques funded by Saudi Arabia in the West are Wahhabi/Salafi. Funnily enough, allegations were made that the Ground Zero Mosque was Saudi Arabian financed.




That's because Wahhabi/Salafi Islam is the only type of Islam that's legal in Saudi Arabia. Funny, I don't hear a lot of hemming and hawing about taking money from the Saudis in other contexts. While the Wahhabis are certainly your Islamic fundamentalists, they too are being painted with too broad a brush here. Many Wahhabi clerics in Saudi Arabia condemn terrorist attacks. You will find ample examples here:

www.muhajabah.com...



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 06:39 PM
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before the terrorist attacks, america stole most of iraqs oil, like with many other wars, america just pisses people off untill they attack.

Psy ops, i'm glad you mentioned that, i have noticed in increase in violent and intolerant behaviour, just about everywhere i go, people with intellgence are no longer celebrated, they are threatened because of thier intellgence, people adbandoning science for reilgion, we are going backwards, and i think the PTB, have planned for this and are excuting this as i type.

Although i have noticed (some not many) are not subjected to this, or at least are not effected, i thought it was signs of evoultion at work (human race splits in two one smart other dumb) But it would seem that most small minded indiviuals, are easily effected by say, an ad on tv, or hearing a trademark tune, or even things our sub conscience only picks up.

We must organize fast and quick if we are to save our species from this degenerative effect, science intellgence and logic, are the tools we need, not praying to god hope it gets better then scream and murder a man of a differnt race.

If we continue on this course, we will be destoryed...and not by oursevles, we will be labeled as a failed expierment



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 06:49 PM
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...this is Muslim disinformation.


Originally posted by wisdomnotemotion

Building a mosque on ground zero and the intended public burning of Koran were nothing more than global media stunt to replay memories of 911.

Muslims do not burn Zabur, Bible and Torah because they contain words from the Creator of Universe (Allah).
Amen.




...oh really?




Christians in Gaza Fear for Their Lives as Muslims Burn Bibles and Destroy Crosses



After defeating their rivals in Palestinian Authority Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah movement, Muslim extremists are focusing their attacks on Christians in Gaza City. Christians in Gaza City have issued an appeal to the
international community and a plea for protection against the increased attacks by Muslim extremists.

www.associatedcontent.com...


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Appears you are misinformed.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 06:50 PM
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As-Salāmu `Alayk(a) —Peace be upon you

I am a muslim, and have read the quran, and you would maybe not believe me, how pure islam is.
Remember, islam does not follow muslims, but muslims should follow islam.

And let the glorious quran speak for itself.

You will find out that this is living, don´t you all see that islam is growing, even after 9/11, people took a closer look and saw that it was the straight opposit of what the 9/11 was about..

And people say also that women feels opressed,

how does it come that 2/3 of the converter was females?

And we all should communicate in a nice way, instead of burning the quran...

And i agree that there are some black sheeps that perverts religions, and as i earlier said, islam does not follow muslims, but muslims follows islam...

May Allah(God) the all-merciful help us all on this life.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by RizeorDie

4th you're forgetting that the new york mosque has an even bigger agenda. research this name: Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf.


The second largest shareholder behind Rupert Murdoch of News Corp., owner of Fox News. Ironically, Fox News has been throwing around Rauf's ties to terrorism without using his name to prevent unwelcome google searches. Regardless of whatever you think the mosque's secret agenda is, the US Constitution permits freedom of religion. So, if a Catholic Church could go there, so can a mosque. Deal with it or find a new country to live in.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 07:49 PM
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Eh, a few women and children were probably killed, but who cares? These good ol' boys are having a blast (no pun intended). It's not like we can go into EVERY building and see if there are innocent civilians, which include women and children, I suppose they gotta bite the bullet and see what its like to be blown sky high!



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by evil incarnate
You cannot compare the death rate of a war campaign centuries apart in technology. The ability to kill more people with less work has greatly skewed the body counts.


On day 30 of Ramadan, 2010, Islamic extremists in the name of the religion of peace, have carried out 226 terrorist attacks and have murdered 1,028 people.

In the same period, 1 Hindu has murdered 1 Christian.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...



You're constantly told by members that the website link you continuely post is biased and false. It's not difficult to discern this, which probably accounts for the fact that most people think its a hilariously failed attempt at fact and comprehension.

In another thread you told me I had an agenda for sticking up for the worlds majority of Muslims, who mind you, aren't violent and live peacefull lives. Really though, with each thread related to Islam, you're always there spewing the same trash as usual. I don't think you understand what the word "agenda" means, that is, unless you're a blatant hypocrite with nothing better to do than piss a few people off.

Also, cut it out with the statisitics already. I gave you a recent statistic the last time we debated, which demonstrated how Christians were responsible for the death of over 100,000 Muslims. It's funny that you don't ever include this in your little posts which, probably according to you, are free of any "agenda".



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