Originally posted by xxshadowfaxx
reply to post by JimIrie
Don't you see how the smaller hexagons form the star of david?
The Sirius Mystery is a book by Robert K. G. Temple first published by St. Martin's Press in 1975. It presents the hypothesis that the Dogon people of Mali, west Africa, preserve a tradition of contact with intelligent extraterrestrial beings from the Sirius star-system.
These beings, who are hypothesized to have taught the arts of civilization to humans, are claimed in the book to have originated the systems of the Pharaohs of Egypt, the mythology of Greek civilization, the Epic of Gilgamesh, and so on. Temple's theory was heavily based on his interpretation of the work of ethnographers Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen. A substantial bulk of The Sirius Mystery consists of comparative linguistic and mythological scholarship, pointing out resemblances among Dogon, Egyptian and Sumerian beliefs and symbols. Greek and Arab myths and words are considered to a lesser extent.
The “mystery” that is central to the book is how the Dogon allegedly acquired knowledge of Sirius B, the invisible companion star of Sirius A. Temple did not argue that the only way that the Dogon could have obtained what he understood to be accurate information on Sirius B was by contact with an advanced civilization; he considered alternative possibilities, such as a very ancient, advanced, and lost civilization that was behind the sudden appearance of advanced civilization in both Egypt and Sumeria. He personally found the theory of alien contact more convincing, but he did not claim certainty about it.
However, serious doubts have been raised about the reliability of Griaule and Dieterlein's work on which The Sirius Mystery is based, and alternative explanations have been proposed. The claims about Dogon astronomical knowledge have been challenged. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system.
Originally posted by theAymen
Tayesin i know what your saying but listen to this.
the 10,000 bc link is pure BS.
heres why: today leaders are trying to link themselves with the antediluvian (pre flood) era. if the can prove demigods lived here on earth, then they are related to them which makes them RULERS WITH DIVINE RIGHT TO RULE working on solimons bluepirnt.
im egyptian and i dont believe the sphinx is that old they are masonic lies.
Originally posted by Scott Creighton
It remains my own view that if the belt stars are pointing anywhere it is to a location just to the southwest of the Giza plateau, a location I attempted to reach last year but, alas, failed miserably largely as a result of some 'unusual' security measures. You can read about this here. The stellar correlation with this terrestrial location seems to indicate the star Rho Orionis. I have no idea why this desert area to the SW of Giza is, for all intents and purposes, effectively 'off limits' to the public.
Robert Temple ought to have known about van Beek’s fieldwork long before the second edition of The Sirius Mystery was published. He also made basic mistakes in his interpretation of Egyptian, Greek and Mesopotamian mythology that undermines his account of the origins of the Dogon’s supposed knowledge. The Egyptians did not identify Sirius as the Dog Star – that was a Greek idea – so it cannot be linked with Anubis. Indeed, Sirius (Spdt in Egyptian) was specifically identified with Isis, as the constellation known to the Greeks as Orion (the hunter whose dog was represented by Sirius) was identified by the Egyptians with Osiris, the husband of Isis.
Ultimately, The Sirius Mystery presents no real mystery. It uses discredited anthropological data, muddled mythological interpretation and lots of unconformable speculation. It has become a classic text of Bad Archeology.
The pyramids have long fascinated Robert Bauval. He is Egyptian, born in Al-Iskandariyya (Alexandria) to Belgian parents, and has spent most of his life living and working in the Middle East. For many years he had pondered over the significance of Sah, the constellation of Orion, and its link to the pyramids. One night, while working in Saudi Arabia, he took his family and a friend's family up into the sand dunes of the Arabian desert for a camping expedition.
Bauval knew that the seemingly inconsistent layout of the three Fourth Dynasty pyramids at Giza was no accident, and had applied his own engineer's mind, and those of many friends to the problem. Most agreed that the alignment, though unusual, was no accident, given the precise mathematical knowledge that the Egyptians had.
His friend, a keen amateur astronomer, pointed out Orion, and mentioned, in passing, that Mintaka, the smaller more easterly of the stars making up Orion's belt was offset slightly from the others. Immediately Bauval saw the answer -- the three Belt Stars were aligned in exactly the same way as the three pyramids.
Bauval checked the alignment in 2,450 BCE by precessing the three Belt Stars back, and found that, due to their close proximity in space, great distance from Earth, and negligible proper motion, they looked exactly the same then as they do today. Of course, they had changed in declination -- then they were just below the celestial equator, at about -1 degree declination.
The pyramids were a mirror image, the Earthly representation of the Belt of Orion, the destination of the dead King! The Egyptians were dualists -- everything they thought and believed was a duality. Everything had its counterpart, cause and effect, left and right, East and West, death and rebirth -- nothing was ever seen in isolation. They had constructed at Giza an exact replica of the Duat [underworld] destination of the King. Far from being a tomb, the pyramid was the starting point of the King's journey back to the stars from whence he came, back to the First Time.
Bauval initially made use of the astronomy program Skyglobe 3.5. Though too inaccurate for serious work -- it does not take proper motion, rotation, refraction, for example, into account -- it was sufficient to clarify Bauval's mind as to the value of his discovery. Giza is West of the Nile -- putting the plane of our galaxy into the equation showed that Orion is "West" of the Milky Way, in proportion to Giza and the Nile.
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It has long been my own view, however, that what is actually being depicted at Giza are the Belt stars and ONLY the belt stars. The secondary satellite pyramids i.e. the so-called Queens' Pyramids depict the precessional max and min culminations i.e. the precessional motion of the belt stars. With this information we can be absolutely certain that it is the belt stars and ONLY the belt stars that are being depicted on the ground at Giza, thus.
What was also more attractive about the Cygnus-Giza correlation is that because the constellation's 'wing' stars are wider apart than those of Orion's belt, it means that, pro-rata, all its other main stars superimpose nicely on the plateau, highlighting other potentially interesting features.
Without any question, the Cygnus stars align much better than those of Orion.
The dual placement of the two holy springs, one at Giza and the other at Heliopolis, one dedicated most probably to Hathor and the other to Nut, provides credence to the belief that a sight line existed between these two places. Between 3000-2500 BC this Giza-Matariyeh sight line targeted the rising of Deneb, the brightest star in Cygnus, which would have become visible on the northeast horizon somewhere between azimuth 46.5-47.5 degrees.
The John Perring's 1837 map of the Giza plateau.
The Cygnus stars are in red. Note also the 'well' (Beer el-Samman)
and 'sycamores' marked between the Great Sphinx and Gebel Ghibli.
Note also the proximity of the 'beak star' Albireo (beta Cygni).
Ground-sky overlay using the stars of Cygnus on a modern map of the Giza plateau.
The Cygnus stars are in red, with those of Orion's belt in green.
Actual photograph of the stars were used for this purpose
THE CYGNUS-GIZA CORRELATION
Rodney Hale had decided to compare the stars of Cygnus with the Giza pyramids after the idea came to him in a flash of inspiration as he lay in bed one night unable to sleep. Yet it must also have stemmed from the fact that when THE ORION MYSTERY was first published, Rodney, having embracing such new ideas regarding the astronomy of the Ancient Egyptians, became disappointed when in 1995 he attempted to superimpose Orion's 'belt' stars over the Giza pyramids, with the following results:
Relative positions of the three 'belt' stars of Orion as overlaid upon the Giza pyramids
as done by Rodney Hale in 1995, using both a photograph of the stars
and as they appear in the Skyglobe program 3.5
They simply do not match, with the star corresponding to the Third Pyramid, Mintaka (delta Orionis), falling towards the southwest edge of the monument. Of course, the whole thing could simply have been a symbolic gesture on the part of the Ancient Egyptians, and thus was not meant to be precise. Yet still, it was a shame that the correlation was not exact.
Even more despair came for Rodney, a technical engineer by trade, when he attempted to match the remaining stars of Orion with other pyramid fields, as is proposed by Bauval and Gilbert in THE ORION MYSTERY.
Unfortunately, Saiph ('sword', kappa Orionis), which as Orion's right knee is south of the belt stars, fell short of its predicted target - the ruined pyramid of Djedefre of Abu Rawash, while Bellatrix (gamma Orionis), the left shoulder of Orion, is situated some distance away from its target - the so-called 'Unfinished Pyramid' at Zawiyat al-Aryan.
Even more confusing was that Orion's two brightest stars Rigel (beta Orionis) and Betelgeuse (alpha Orionis) do not mark an ancient monument of any kind. Once again, the correlation might not have needed to be precise, but it was a shame that the theory was not as tight as he might have liked it to be. Proposals of this kind need precision for the soul to take them seriously.
So now it seemed that for Rodney the 'wing' stars of Cygnus, linked to the plateau through its associations with the cult of Sokar - a falcon-headed god of the dead who presided over Rostau, ancient Giza, and was the earthly counterpart of the celestial sky falcon god dwn-'nwy - could be superimposed over the three main pyramids.
* Was this simply coincidence?
* Had it been by grand design, created by the great architect of the Great Pyramid, or was the cosmic joker at work here?
The simple answer is that neither of us could be sure.
xiii. The Road to Rostau.
Technical engineer Rodney Hale, working along side me with my research into the Cygnus mystery, decided to see what might happen if he overlay the principal stars of Cygnus over the Pyramids of Giza. The connection was precise, even more so than if one were to do the same with the stars of Orion, previously linked with the ancient astronomy of the Pyramid Age.
A closer examination of the geometry of the Giza plateau showed that during the Pyramid age Deneb rose exactly in line with the ancient cult centre of Heliopolis, once linked to ancient Giza via a sacred road. This was also the approximate orientation of the Giza pyramids, which are also known to target Heliopolis. In addition to this, the orientation of the three pyramids matches the setting of Cygnus on the north-western alignment during the same epoch.
Thus we can see that during the Pyramid Age the stars of Cygnus, Deneb in particular, would seem to have played an active role in the rise of Heliopolis, this famed necropolis of the ancient world. What is more, Deneb, we find, might easily have been employed, symbolically at least, in the Stretching of the Cord foundation ceremony, known to have been used to orient buildings including pyramids such as the ones at Giza.
The Great Pyramid is one of the seven wonders of the ancient world. Constructed in circa 2600 BC as a funerary monument for the Old Kingdom pharaoh Khufu (or Cheops), it is the triumph of 500 years of evolution in funerary architecture, beginning with simple burials in underground tombs and culminating with the perfect pyramid. Invariably, Egyptian funerary monuments were aligned north-south, a ritual act achieved with precision in the Pyramid Age. Finding true north was ceremonially determined during a ritual known as 'Stretching of the Cord', which involved the use of a specific star, or stars, in the northern night sky.
On either side of the northern celestial pole. These were Cygnus and Ursa Major, which he identified as asterisms known in Ancient Egyptian astronomy as, respectively, dwn-'nwy, a falcon-headed god, and mšhtyw the bull, or ox thigh, additionally seen as the old foes Horus and Set, ever sparring around each other in the night sky.
The Northern Group of constellations, including
the falcon-headed god dwn-'nwy identified as Cygnus.