Misogyny: Ruining the Female Male Relationship(esp. in the digital age)

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posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by whatukno
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Women will not be happy till any masculine activity or belief is totally and completely destroyed.





Not true for many of us women. That is why Mike Rowe is one of the sexiest men alive


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posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 01:54 PM
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men and women, relationships have been complex since the beginning..
nothing ruins the man woman, relationship except for one or the other.
relationships are work, if you fail at it, with a female or male, its not a label in a school of thought to blame, but yourself or your partners. To prove it just think about it for awhile.

I find it very unrealistic to blame anyone else but yourselves for ruining a female male relationship.



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 01:59 PM
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THANK YOU for speaking from the heart!!! They say the individual is the rarest type of person in this world and well you are one!



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 02:00 PM
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The explanation given to me by a psychologist as to why there is so much more misogyny than man-hating is because traditionally women are the primary child care givers and have the most personal involvement in their children's lives. So statically bad parenting and abuse is most likely to come from women...and we know how damaging that can be for a lifetime. It makes a lot of sense to me.

Historically single women have been the targets for all kinds of abuse from witch burning to theft of their land. There is something about an independent woman that still seems to threaten a lot of people. Currently the most imperiled segment in our society (USA) in terms of homelessness and lack of health care are single women ages 50-62 and few will come out and advocate for them. I find that very telling.

edit on 13-9-2010 by ChrisCrikey because: I left out the word 'single" when describing which women were most imperiled....



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 02:00 PM
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LoL, which is why you felt the need to post all of the good things you've done for him publicly, to clear up your good name and the name of other women. Oh you are just so righteous...

Please, you don't need to convince me that women do great things, I have a girl who would/has gone to extremes to make me happy. But does she brag about it? Do I need to tell you all the great things I do for her to clear my name ?



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 02:20 PM
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Misogyny, Feminism, Sexism, chauvinism etc etc isms isms and nys(as it isn't a ism).
Basically Womens rights have been over 200 years in the making and still not all are satisfied..........this is no ones fault, in fact they have a masculine side and they don't even realise it. Never Satisfied, the mind of a perfectionist, the male attitude.
How can I write this you ask? I've been married twice...........I know "women" very well.
Men can be very violent and dominating but then so can Women as in the case of my first wife, a battle axe with quick action pants and no understanding of the word fidelity and that the fact she practiced infidelity regularly.
We parted ways when I became the better earner and returned to my optimum physique and the fact I don't do shareware as where my partner is concerned
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My second wife is the complete opposite, a women I can trust, very rare....and she loves the fact I'm 6'3" auburn haired, lets just say Eyes (as they kinda change colour most days), physicaly fit and able. Quite nice to feel like a trophy for a change. I completely respect her and her needs and wishes are priority number 1 as are mine to her. I'm a manly man manly man man man I do the DIY and Gardening etc etc even clean and cook when my wife is unable to.
Everyone is a type and they have their type likes if someone doesn't call you M'duck or Sunshine its because they aren't your type of people......answer=CHEMISRTY.
So Men being misogynists?. I'd rather say certain People are misogynists and Misandryists (misandry) and if you're experiencing it, its time to move on and avoid them.


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posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 02:21 PM
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You know, it's not fair to accuse somebody, and then blame them for defending themselves. Just sayin'.


In regard to the thread, I think misogyny is a word thrown around waaaaay too much, and especially (funny how that works) by extreme feminists. In my opinion, as have been said by others previously in this thread, feminism as a whole doesn't serve the purpose of giving women equal rights, but to put them in a position of power over men. (Hence the term "femnazi").

And whether it's carried out by men or women, such thinking and behavior is disgusting and immoral. Especially when mixed with hipocrisy and an inability to take responsibility. Which is exactly what I see in many social and political movements today, including but not limited to just feminism.



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 02:59 PM
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I so disagree with your your first paragraph.I hope that you are deliberately choosing to ignore abesnt fathers from all of this. It is all so wrong to blame women for bad parenting. Boys need fathers sometimes! And they want their Dads a lot too.



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 03:03 PM
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Alexyss Tylor hosts show on 'Vagina Power 'and 'Penis Power' with her mother. Found on Public Access TV 9 pm on a Wednesday.





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posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by Rockstar02
LoL, which is why you felt the need to post all of the good things you've done for him publicly, to clear up your good name and the name of other women.


My name is clear. There is no need for me to clear up anything.
And I do not speak for other women.

My reply that you latched onto like a dog was in response to an attack against women by whutukno. His accusations toward women deserved a reply, I thought. It was really none of your business, but you made up a bunch of crap and laid it on me.



Do I need to tell you all the great things I do for her to clear my name ?


I don't think there's anything you can say at this point to clear your name. You attacked me, put words in my mouth and attributed motivations to me that don't exist. I defended myself. You do whatever you need to do.

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posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 03:06 PM
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Double post

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posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by Bicent76
men and women, relationships have been complex since the beginning..
nothing ruins the man woman, relationship except for one or the other.
relationships are work, if you fail at it, with a female or male, its not a label in a school of thought to blame, but yourself or your partners. To prove it just think about it for awhile.

I find it very unrealistic to blame anyone else but yourselves for ruining a female male relationship.


Best post in this thread!
And by the same token, a wonderful relationship takes hard work and if you have one, you know that. The credit doesn't go to a philosophy, it goes to the hard workers involved!



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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I think it is more of a consumption issue, ultimately a woman would not choose this field if it were not lucrative which means full of consumers waitintg to consume a popular product. Who are those consumers? men.



All you do is blame men.

You never expect women to take responsibilities for their actions.

If women want to be equal...they need to start taking responsibility for their actions...and not just blaming men for all their problems.
I do many other things, so your use of "all" is incorrect. But you knew that when you typed your response.

You also assume a problem in which women need to take responsibility.

Define this problem.



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by hotbakedtater
I think it is more of a consumption issue, ultimately a woman would not choose this field if it were not lucrative which means full of consumers waitintg to consume a popular product. Who are those consumers? men.


You are trying to pass the buck here.

No-one is denying that men are willing to watch a variety of porn, but if it's adding to misogynistic attitudes ( as the poster I was replying to, suggested ), then these women are their gender's own worst enemy.

If women weren't willing to degrade themselves in this way, then there would be nothing for men to consume.

It may be relatively lucrative, but what price dignity and self-respect ?

This is what I dislike about these kind of debates, is that someone will not criticise the activity of someone else, because they are on their ''own side'', while trying to twist it round to blame the other side !



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by tiger5
I so disagree with your your first paragraph.I hope that you are deliberately choosing to ignore abesnt fathers from all of this. It is all so wrong to blame women for bad parenting. Boys need fathers sometimes! And they want their Dads a lot too.


There wouldn't be nearly so many absent fathers, if women didn't make such terrible choices for their sexual partners.

Extreme feminists are always quick to gloat about women's supposed sexual ''power'' over men, while completely ignoring the responsibility that has to come along with this ''power''.

If a woman has sex with somoene that she hardly knows, then nine months later, a baby pops out, whose fault is that ?

I, myself, have had a couple of one-night stands where the girl barely knows my name, never mind any personal details about me.

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posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
This is what I dislike about these kind of debates, is that someone will not criticise the activity of someone else, because they are on their ''own side'', while trying to twist it round to blame the other side !


Let me clear my name again!


I don't have ANY problem with porn, dancers, prostitution or anything a woman wants to do with her body. I don't blame men for ANY of this. I don't blame women either. I think if a woman wants to dance or be in porn movies or show or share her body for money, that's HER choice! If it's NOT her choice, then she needs to find something else to do, but I do NOT agree with other women in that men are responsible for women who choose these professions.

There - is my name cleared yet?
I do want your approval, "Rockstar"



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 03:27 PM
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If I could give you 100 stars for that post, I would.

Nail on the head, my friend.


I don't think many men object to feminism, if it was just about social equality between the genders, but so many of us abhor the double-standards and ''have your cake and eat it'' mentality of some women that twist feminism into the man-hating nonsense that it has become.



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 03:29 PM
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Feminists gloating over sexual power over men????? Have you ever met a feminist woman? I can assure you that you have not many. Your comment about sexual power over men is the antithesis of feminist theory. If you wanted to understand capitalism would you got to a market trader or an economist??? Let me make it easier for ya.

If you wanted to understand the rules of golf would you ask me (I hate the game ) or say Nick faldo or any other golf pro?

Trust me youjust don't get it. Do you believe in equality of opportunity. And pleae no straw men arguments.

Thanks



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Let me clear my name again!


I don't have ANY problem with porn, dancers, prostitution or anything a woman wants to do with her body. I don't blame men for ANY of this. I don't blame women either. I think if a woman wants to dance or be in porn movies or show or share her body for money, that's HER choice! If it's NOT her choice, then she needs to find something else to do, but I do NOT agree with other women in that men are responsible for women who choose these professions.


I wasn't pointing any fingers.


That's certainly the ''PC'' answer that you've given.

I agree that if a woman ( or a man, for that matter ) wants to do anything they want, within the law, and as long as it's not hurting anyone else, then that's fine by me.

What I'm saying is that there are a plethora of women that are willing to degrade themselves, and give away their self-respect, in exchange for money, whether it be through pornography, stripping, or ''dancing''.

With the above in mind, then it is hardly surprising that many men ( especially younger guys who have grown up with the internet ) have misoginystic attitudes where they regard women as objects, pieces of meat, and willing to do anything in the bedroom, no matter how degrading.

One can't complain about misogynistic attitudes, while at the same time ignoring the route cause ( which is women themselves, in this instance ).

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posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 03:39 PM
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Some feminists are created from bad experiences with men. The sort of experiences that afflict over 50% of the population jsust because of gender over centuries. Feminism exploded onto the scene in the late 60s. So we have say 44 years of modern and overt feminism. Men are weeping and wailing and getting violently sick after 44 years of feminism. Women have suffered worse over centuries and are still suffering it and not getting so bent out of shape. Clearly who is the weaker sex "hint i am ashamed to write".

I like some feminist s and dislike some. It is a movemtn after all and there must be lunatic fringe. Is it that some people here waste bandwith because they don't understand that a movement is not a political party???:Or a military organisation. Movements have a wide opinion base.





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