Misogyny: Ruining the Female Male Relationship(esp. in the digital age)

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posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 09:14 PM
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Tater, I never said no one has neer heard of it, not once. I said look at the disparity in coverage, sympathy if you will. For your two posts I could probably bring up around 50-100 more dealing with actual abuse to women. Not only that I can bring up numerous articles where a women is beaten and it says "domestic violence" and only a handful where it mentions the same for a female perp. Why do you think there are hundreds maybe thousands of battered women;s shelters in the us, and at my last count only 1 for men in lancaster, ca. Now I havent looked in a while and there might be more now, but when I looked around 3 years ago that was it. Or look at movies that show a woman slapping a man, that should be dv right. It is portrayed that that is ok and perfectly fine.

The current paradigm is unbalanced, and unequal. I have posted the studies, I have shown examples of MSM coverages, I have posted a video showing the difference in reactions to female on male violence. Now telll me please "if violence is never the answer" why female on male violence get such a free pass?




posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 09:17 PM
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And I am glad that you got control over that anger. I truly am, Its is completly true that it is a matter of choice. But the gender feminist side which is what the current laws and pardigm is based on throws that completly out the window, and say men are the perps because they control and women are the victims, and even if they hit first they are using self defense. No where does holding both sexes equally responsible for their choices comes into play.



posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 09:22 PM
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I would say its a little like both, there are many gender feminists that would look down on you for your choices to stay at home for wanting to raise your sons. They would think that you are less of a woman for the choices you made.



posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 09:33 PM
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Ok,
I think we can all agree that discriminating against someone because of their gender is wrong, as is thinking you can do something better or because you are a man or a woman. I dont think any amount of mental gymnastics can justify otherwise discrimination. As a man, I treat everyone the way I would want to be treated, regardless of gender- and that is with respect. Any cause that furthers this sounds good to me. What else is there?



posted on Oct, 25 2010 @ 01:19 AM
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Statistics on rape and sexual assault are common in Western countries and are becoming more common throughout the world. Inconsistent definitions of rape, over reporting, under reporting and false reporting create controversial statistical disparities, and lead to accusations that many rape statistics are unreliable or misleading. According to USA Today reporter Kevin Johnson "no other major category of crime - not murder, assault or robbery - has generated a more serious challenge of the credibility of national crime statistics" than rape.[


en.wikipedia.org...



You know how many innocent men are in jail on false rape charges? They find them all the time - one guy in Texas died in prison waiting to be exonerated. He was found innocent by DNA testing AFTER he died.

I guess the guys who spend 20+ years in jail for a rape they did not commit and are exonerated are lucky?

(well, I had to stir the pot a little bit - I do try).

wanna bet that this incidence of violence never got reported?

www.youtube.com...
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posted on Oct, 25 2010 @ 02:52 AM
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Does misogyny happen? Yes. But for every misogynist there is a misandrist also. So I feel I must voice, being a female myself, that on both accounts they BOTH ruin the female male relationship. That type of thinking, that type of attitude period ruins our own people in general. Religion? Is not to blame it is your exact thinking that is to blame. And to be honest right now I'm quite ashamed of the stance you've taken (which yes you are allowed to voice and have your own opinion) but let it have valid points at least. I will say that the movement of attaining rights for women and equality to the same degree of men was necessary in the beginning. However now in this day and age I think we've moved past that oppression judging from woman being everything to the queen, lawyer, top CEO's, teachers, top bread winners in Forbes, police, etc. To talk about girls half naked, and porn, well that's on behalf of the individuals and not women as a whole. If a girl wants to do porn then so be it. If a girl wants to wear a shirt with her boobs hanging out then so be it. We don't live in a utopian society. Can a girl wear a skirt with her butt hanging out? Yes. But no one can guarantee a guy won't grab her butt anymore than we can guarantee she'll want to put on some clothes. In the end it comes down to taking responsibility for yourself and knowing that yes there are misogynist's as well as misandrist's still in this world. Equality is the key, not pointing fingers....



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 08:30 AM
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This might have something to do with how the definition of Rape has changed over the least few decades. It used to be violent sexual advances towards another person. Then became unwanted sexual advances towards another person. Then it became the "expectation" to perform sexual favours or intercourse. Then it became convincing somebody to have sex using lies or misleading them. Then it became a lack of consent. Then it became a lack of verbal consent. Now, it is somewhere between having sex with somebody who is not 100% alert, not intoxicated, not mentally stable and who says "I don't want this" at any point from intercourse to ejaculation.



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 11:04 AM
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Disclaimer: I read the first half-ish of this thread, skimmed the rest, so if I repeat anything oh well.

Quick side bar: Those not getting wuk's obvious jokes need to really lighten up. Yes, I understand you (wuk) are being serious with how you view things, but you are handling your situation with humor and I applaud you.

the meat and potatoes:

Why are we not calling feminism (not the original intent, the bastardization that it has become) and misogyny what it is? People being a holes. Plain and simple. Ever notice that a feminist gets on those women that wish to be the traditional woman? Ever notice a misogynist gets on a dude who will get his own samitch?

The point I'm making here is that these types of people are just bad people. They are intolerant. Plain and simple.

Nicknames in the work place: My boss calls me and the other male employees bud and son. Now I don't know about you, but I could EASILY twist "son" into a power move. But I don't. Know why? Because it's an endearing term. I know he has no ill will in it. Just like my female friends know I have no ill will if I call them babe, hun, etc etc. Those that get THAT upset over those sorts of names need to re-evaulate things, and notice at its worse, its chauvinism, not misogyny. Also, I've never met a guy that didn't stop when a female asked them to. I've even seen females ask why guys get to be called dude and pal but they were always called by their name. The more rational of the female sex want to be just like everyone else. But at that point, them being female has nothing to do with it, they just want to be "normal".

These arguments always make me laugh. If a guy is giving you crap for some reason you find inane, then give him crap right back. WE TAKE WELL TO THAT SORT OF THING. Ever notice how guys banter? God it can be harsh if you don't "get it"

And that's where I think feminists (as I defined earlier) fail. They don't "get it". Yea, guys act better then women. But here's a secret: WE ACT BETTER THAN EVERYONE! Guys are competitive and part of competition is bringing people down. Plain and simple.Here's another secret I've noticed: Women do it too. They just have a different way of going about it.

It's time we step off our moral high horse, we start recognizing some people are a holes, and we move on with our lives. You think someone is sexists, fine. Pay them no mind. You think someone is a bad person, fine, let them be.

Some people are going to be a holes. It's a constant in life.



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 11:30 AM
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Yes. But for every misogynist there is a misandrist also.


You may as well say for every man there is a woman.
This is not exactly true because we out number them.
So for every 1 misogynist there are 1.04 misandrists?

I don't know about that...

Parents and their relationship with each other is the largest determining factor whether or not someone grows up with a disparaging view of the opposite sex.

Women should think very highly of themselves.
They are miraculous creatures, the most valuable on earth by virtue of the fact they can carry a child and give birth.

Men are no slouches either.
They have other talents...which escape me at the moment.





posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 11:34 AM
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You know how many innocent men are in jail on false rape charges?



I do actually. A fraction of the number of women who are sitting in jail for killing their spouses out of self defense.

Now do you have any idea how many men who have honestly raped a woman that was not either cooperative or conscious and are NOT sitting in jail right now?

Ask your buddies in a private moment. You will be surprised.



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 04:53 PM
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Allow me to be the first to say....

Source that rubbish.



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by rusethorcain

Now do you have any idea how many men who have honestly raped a woman that was not either cooperative or conscious and are NOT sitting in jail right now?

Ask your buddies in a private moment. You will be surprised.


I'll be sure to ask them. They'll probably say something like, "But Josh, there are 16 of us and none of us have penises, and none of us have been raped, and 3 of us have admittedly faked it."

I sense that your argument will become a victim of reality rather than regurgitate a fake statistic of female rape.



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 06:41 PM
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Sadly u know that wont happen. Most likely was pulled from thin air or her tailside.



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 07:57 PM
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NOTHING riles me more than uneducated IDIOTS who treat Feminism like a dirty word. I think most individuals who are guilty of this could not give you an accurate definition of Feminism and it's founding principles if their lives depended on it. In fact I imagine that they wouldn't want to stop and consider the true meaning of Feminism as it would no doubt highlight what utter Bullsh*t just came out of their mouths.

Good thread - an important issue that for too often still gets brushed under the carpet.



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 08:15 PM
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And I would normally agree with you indigo, if we were talking about feminism when it first started, or individual feminism, or eglatarian feminism. Unfortunately the gender feminists of today have "tainted the word" at least in my opinion. As I have stated before I do not care for the names, but goals and actions. If you are for true equality then more power to ya, if not well most of my posts speak for themselves.



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 08:20 PM
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I am curious to know - do you believe that nowadays Feminism is about inverting patriarchy? Most of the Feminists (and I include myself) focus upon realising gender equality, not man-bashing :s



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 08:24 PM
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I dont want gender equality, that would entail all humans being made androgynous.

I want all people to be treated equal, but as far as being equal (same) no thanks, I will keep my femininity, and hope males do the same with their masculinity.

What is gender feminism?

Why would any female or male want equality with the opposite sex?

The bottom line is human rights for all humans, period. Gender has no place in the equation as far as I am concerned, and is used as a red herring by people ho may not want to open their minds and look at the issue closer.

MT there is a reason few shelters exist for male victims of dv, and so many exist for women. You know the reason why male on female dv gets the play (media) and the opposite does not, and so does everyone else where.

It is because the cases of male on female dv outnumber so greatly the cases of female on male dv.



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 09:55 PM
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I believe that feminism is splintered. Those that want and strive for equality such as individual feminists and equalatarian feminists andf those that want female priveledge and power and do not want equality (radical and gender feminism).

As for inverting "patriarchy" i would argue that there really isnt a patriarchy that exists in this day and age. Yes there are still female specific issues that are being worked on and still need to be addressed. But the "ol boys clubs" of yesteryear are prety much gone. In my opinion gender and radical feminists do want to "invert patriarchy" even if they need to dig its bloated corpse up out of it grave to do so.

Now I have to ask would a "matriarchy" be a good thing, I would say nope because when power rests at either side of the spectrum then approximately half the population is being oppressded. It needs to be in the middle, other wise we have the issues that we have had in the past and are having now.

And if you are for equality and thats what you strive for not in words but actions.....bravo.

Those that do not learn frm history are doomed to repeat it.
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posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 09:59 PM
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Wow, Gender has no place in the equation since when? You realize that by "treating people equal" you would need to give men an "opt out" of an unwanted pregnancy like you argued against in another thread right? You can't have both. If you want to throw gender out of the equation then if wouldn't matter if a man did not live up to his responsibilties or not in an unwanted pregnancy nor for that matter a female.

I have to admit, I am now thouroughlt confused at how you can say eveyone be treated equal but in other threaqds take a contradictory stance.

As far as the dv thing, I am sorry but you are WRONG. I have already posted the links for the studies that were done, and also the mediaradar link. Did you even look at them? I know you want to believe that male on female is the majority, but it isn't it is roughly the same. With females instigating the violence most of the time. I do not really want to repost the links again, but if I have to I will.

Tater, I have spent hours (I would say over 1000) researching dv. On BOTH sides of the issues. I went and looked at the stats put out by both sides then went to look at the original sources, look at methodology in completing the study etc. That is one of the reasons I like the RADAR site so much, it is easy to get the info and then where and how they got the info. Alot of "gender feminist" sites and even alot of the domestic violence helpline stats, you have to go hunting for the original study, and then you wither find out that the majority of them were small unrepresentative samples, the methodology was skewed, were lied about, or just flat out made up.
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posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 10:04 PM
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But I dont give a contradictory stance, both parties irregardless of their gender have equal reproductive choices.





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