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Originally posted by tiger5
reply to post by Brood
Please get real. A punch in the face is violent and wrong IRREGARDLESS OF gender.
Why is it that men are crying about being the victims When they are in the minority?? Can' t anyone count??? Women form the majority of those on the receiving end of spousal abuse. I would not even call these women feminista.
If men do not speak out when hit whose fault is it??? Until then we will simply have to go with the facts we have or believe all the crakpot theories on the planet!
Originally posted by Brood
Personally, I would be more ready to believe that 84% of domestic abuse was initiated by the female, because I see it everywhere I go --
Originally posted by Brood
Here's a few questions that I actually expect answered for once:
Originally posted by Brood
Feminism has long since mended the wrongs of gender inequality, now they seek to tip the scales in their favor to make women the superior, and they're doing a fantastic job.
Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
...you see it everywhere you go?... really?... wow!...
...either you're making that up for dramatic effect - or - you hang out with scummy people...
...guess you never heard the old adage - wish in one hand and spit in the other and see which one fills up the fastest...
...considering your low opinion of females, i better understand the stance you defended on THIS THREAD HERE
Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by mayertuck
Another one who can't or will not read....
American Bar Association
The Student Peace Alliance
National Coalition Against Domestic Violence
United Nations Inter Agency Network
....all making stuff up?
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better but, I am telling you if you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem, and denial is the first step toward recognizing you have a problem.
Focusing on the 8% of abuse victims who are men and refusing to acknowledge the remainder who are women is despicable, underhanded and cowardly - a true terror tactic designed to distract and mislead the reader. Typical of misogynists.
Not saying you are one...only you are behaving like one and in so doing working hard to perpetuate the problem of violence against women. On an off hand note, I seriously doubt your work here has helped any of the male victims either.
Hmm cite the american bar association, that stands to make BILLIONS of dollars mainting the status quo of the current dv paradigm. I am part of the solution, because I know that men/women are both victims and perps of dv. I also know that it does not come from trying to control; someone as your philosophy would have you believe. It stems from many differnt factor such as: emotional problems, drug abuse etc. I can not stand violence against women in any form. Just as I can not stand violence against men in any form. That is the difference between you and I. I recognize the problem as it truly exists, I and actively seek and understand the opposing point of view and do the research. I do not just go to a site that supports all of my view.
Even if there was 1% of male vicitms of dv I would want a solution just as if there was 1% of female vicitms. Only problem is and as a male victim of dv the level of help and support afforded women vs. men. look at any phone book in almost every major city and tell me how many shelters take male victims. now tell me how many shelters offer services to women.
hate to break it to you but I am simply trying to bring balance to the issue and ensure that EVERYONE who is a victim is helped not just women. As well as those that are the abusers get the help they also need to attempt to create their behavior, REGARDLESS of gender.
When you have a viewpoint where you can give an excuse for females behavior then when they are arrested they are told that it is excusable because they were acting in self defense or they are strong for not being controlled. In my own experience with my ex, that is what happened during her treatment. Then when she got our kids taking by social services they made her do a psyche eval, guess what it said she was psychotic, sociopathic, as well as bipolar. In addition she is a meth addict. All of those things contributed to her thinking that abusing me was ok. But all the system did was give her a reason to justify her behavior. Care to guess what happened after we got divorced and she got remarried. She did the same thing with her new husband. As for me after 7 years of being hit by her and abused where I did not hit her back, I had enough and just snapped after running around my house trying to not be hit anymore. I am not afraid of her, but more of what I could do to her. So I snapped and hit her back on the arm basically in self defense. So I was arrested also. Even though I did my best to get away from her and hadn't hit her in the 7 years of abuse (she has a record of being abusive from previous situation) guess who still was the bad guy. Should I have not lost it and hit her in the arm of course and I take full responsibilty for it. But it had nothing to do with me trying to control her, or bully her, or anything of the like. I was simply trying to find a way to not be hit anymore. And yes I could of left, but like women in the same situation, I loved her, came to believe that it was all my fault, and was worried if I wasnt there my son would be abused. Could I have fought for custody yes, but no money for it because the accounts were begin drained as son as my pay hit the account. And as a deployable male Marine, I would not be seen in a favorable light by the court. There was a chance I could of won, but I did not want to chance it.
On the same token I grew up seeing my mom beat on an almost daily basis by both my dad and my step dad. One of my only memories of childhood is from being bit by a dog because I was trying to get the neighbors to call the cops because my dad was beating my mom again.
So please do not tell me where I stand on the issue, or how I think. I have personally seen both sides of the issue, and know the damage being a victim does to a person regardless of gender. 6 years later I still have issues with my self confidence, trusting my wife, depression, friendships with anyone (I cut off all my friends because no matter who I talked to male or female I was sleeping with them according to her) and various other issues. had there been EQUAL recognition I wouldn't of had to deal with it. I went to the shelters, tried to get help and was always told your a man we cant help you.
Now I ask you once again, please post some unbiased stats to try and attempt to prove your point.
edit on 16-10-2010 by rusethorcain because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Dark Ghost
Call for harsh treatment of MALE paedophiles and you are praised. Call for harsh treatment of FEMALE paedophiles (equality?) and you are labelled as a Misogynist.
You can continue to go on about how men are evil for hitting women
Originally posted by Brood
Don't expect a response, these people are incredibly selective in case you haven't noticed. No rock will be turned over unless it saves a vagina and pair of boobs somewhere. Body parts determine everything to them, screaming for equality will not budge the perpetrators of discrimination. they are more likely to respond to this post because they cannot argue yours, so they will not even consider it. To them, this thread is about ego, not knowledge. It's pathetic; my niece dropped that sh*t attitude years ago.
Originally posted by mayertuck
reply to post by tiger5
Tiger would you want to speak out if you get labeled as weak for being hit, or you deserved it, or she was defending herself from you trying to control her. Would you risk possibly being arrested because it is to be assumed you are the one being violent?