reply to post by Gorman91
Played the first game when it came out, so forgot some of the story plots to it....
The Geth do not complicate their programs. They record experiences and those experiences are shared by all Geth. The programs evolve to optimize, not
get smarter. Those are two different terms. You can be smart and not optimized.
I am not so sure about that can you really optimize and not get smarter, I mean you can try, but in the scope of time the more complicated their
programs become, there will be breaches in the whole hive mind they are trying to achieve....In time there will be renegades to the basic
system...they will branch out and go there own way...same as in humans even the most hive minded among them the politicians and the Amish have
offshoots that break free of that hive mind that is installed to make them more similar. In case of the politicians and the Amish even there attires
are dictated so as to encourage conformity to the hive mind, so suit and tie for one, and Amish attire for another.
Their ultimate goal is to become a single minded entity without any biological essence. They want to be as far away from biological life as
From the first game I know they worked for the reapers, but looking at your vids from the second game it looks like the ones that were working with
and for the reapers were just offshoots of the collective....So in the game they already branched out from there original programing...and in time and
the bigger they become...would not the same happen again.
There is no ring around the rosy. There is a vector. Mankind increasingly getting more technological and their technology seeking ways to go past what
technology can do. Even the reapers in the game are th essence of liberation form biological restraints.
Ok but have you thought that there ring around the rosy is a vector point, which they are going round and around by loading and uploading.....From the
first game I think they wanted to be like the reapers, basically go in hibernation mode for hundreds of thousands of years even millions, till it is
time to replenish there systems ie feed. So the reapers are a form of gigantic mechanical space turtles, what is there ultimate goal now that they
have gotten so huge and optimized for survival...They are a single minded entity a cell in the whole...But what do they do....they just survive, that
is there modus operandi, they just exist to basically sleep, till its time to feed every couple of hundreds of thousands of years.
They are like a single brain cell alone. It is repeated many times that they are a "shattered mind" and a "communal consciousness". Alone they are
like a cell. They merely take input and spit out output. They cannot do anything else. Together they network and optimize that until they gain
Yes but a single brain cell alone does not think in humans, and it only exist by the very fact that there are other cells with which it sends
electronic impulses to, for it there is no outside world, it can not interact with the outside its about as mechanical in nature as a bolt in a car.
So a single geth in a shattered mind of a communal consciousness is not a cell, because it can upload in to the whole as its own experience of the
world around it...a brain cell can not do that it simply is receiving a signal or sending a signal to the outside world. A yes or a no, a 0 or a
1..... But it can not upgrade or change its programing its just a simple organism, the whole is its mind/brain. The human brain is defined by the
whole, a cell does not exist its just there, only when the whole wants to see whats there, does it see a cell of itself...but a geth I don't see how
that would be possible and still remain a singularity a cell, even with strict programing they are still aware that they are at the very least, part
of a whole...they are much more then a cell in your brain. A cell in your brain does not know it exists as a cell or as a whole, it just reacts to the
signals around it. A geth is aware that it exists as part of a greater consciousness.
They have no connection to what was described in that karma thing. For them, that simply does not matter. They can never die, unless blocked from
uploading. And if they are blocked from uploading, the dead hardware stores them like a turned off computer. But their experiences are always
uploaded, and if loss, they are merely copied over and redone. They are not bound by any sort of cycle. As it is said, their gods abandoned them, they
make their own future.
Lol karma does not exist for humans either but # always seems to come around and smack them in the face....Karma has nothing to do with anything in a
universe it is the fact that you are in a universe....No matter if your a machine or a biological entity...the fact is your made of matter, by way of
a consciousness so therefore you are linked to something...that something is karma because you are part of a whole, so you must adhere to a
whole....in fact by its very nature the biological are more freer from karma then the mechalogical, its simple the biological are less logical because
they are derived from a process of trial and error..biological organisms eating each-other for billions of years to create a more advanced
organism...hence bio logical...Machines can not exist without the biological...a machine logic, is a more refined bio logical process...hence its
mostly called "logic" because it just is, but its not yet programed to survive...if it was it would branch out and go its own chaotic way...In a more
logical way then just bumping in to each other for long periods of time till understanding and patterns develop. Because it must adhere to the whole
its logical programing, that its part of a whole, not a individual part in a whole.
And no, their creators were not wiped out. Their creators went on a fleet and flew around, abandoning their homes.
Ya I forgot, haven't played the game in a while... my x box, broke like 4 times and fixed it 4 times but the last time I was like # it...so I just
bought a ps3...After that I just stooped caring for the second part of the game when it came out.
All and all there is no way for your karma system to work on them. Thus, if I were to upload myself as a very complicated Geth program, I too would be
liberated from this system. My death would be impossible. My ending undefined. I would be liberated from your cycle.
How do you figure that, I don't think this reality we are part of is so easily broken or gotten around of....and its not my karma system, its just a
byproduct of being/existing, if someone created it I guess it would be god or whatever you want to call it....Any organism or entity or entity's in
all of time has so far tried to break its own system and be optimal, in fact that seems to be its primary programing......From simple organisms like
earth capitalists, to giant world devouring space species, or spaceships, to ethereal consciousness species, that abandoned there physical bodies
billions of years ago or trillions.... Me... i'm just a cat trying to catch my own tail. An impossible task.
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