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Slavery - a simple test

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posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 09:50 AM
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You think it could be considered slavery. As long as you have needs, you're a slave to those needs. In society you work to fulfill those needs or earn money to get those needs fulfilled. If you fail to uphold the terms of the voluntary contract you could very well get fired.




posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 09:59 AM
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I think that people like to think it's slavery, but, as I said earlier, as long you can leave a job then you are not a slave. True, I said the system makes people feel like a slave. But I agree with you that they are not a slave if they choose to remain employed - as you say, it's voluntary. I'd still like to achieve a standard of living better than living in a shack however, so I will play the system as and when it suits me, not the other way round.



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 10:07 AM
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and I won't get paid for today either! So, my next two paychecks will be less than normal


You’re lying about being sick and you are complaining that your employer isn’t paying you for it! I don’t think you hold the high ground here.



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by DSSONE
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I would surely then be trespassing on land owned by someone else?


It's true, there is nowhere for people who actually do desire to live in harmony with nature. There is nowhere for us to run. Here in The US, if it isn't private owned land, it's public/Federally owned land, and you need permits to even enter and if camping is permissible, you can only do it for a set number of days. You can get prosecuted if they catch you living out in the wilderness. It's not fair. Corporations have come in, and claimed the land, they say it is theirs, they stole the land from the children of earth. There is nowhere we can "legally" go and not have to worry about dealing with citizenship, property ownership, and all that stuff that comes with being an incorporated individual of a Federal/Government Corporation.

I want to un-incorporate myself, go somewhere, and live FREE.I want to experience life as a human being! Not as some worker bee for the man. Not as a robot, not as a slave. This life isn't fair. I cannot express myself, I cannot live in freedom, because there are barriers in place. If you do what your heart desires, you may end up in jail for "looking crazy". We are living in a police state.



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by DSSONE
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I would surely then be trespassing on land owned by someone else?


It's true, there is nowhere for people who actually do desire to live in harmony with nature. There is nowhere for us to run. Here in The US, if it isn't private owned land, it's public/Federally owned land, and you need permits to even enter and if camping is permissible, you can only do it for a set number of days. You can get prosecuted if they catch you living out in the wilderness. It's not fair. Corporations have come in, and claimed the land, they say it is theirs, they stole the land from the children of earth. There is nowhere we can "legally" go and not have to worry about dealing with citizenship, property ownership, and all that stuff that comes with being an incorporated individual of a Federal/Government Corporation.

I want to un-incorporate myself, go somewhere, and live FREE.I want to experience life as a human being! Not as some worker bee for the man. Not as a robot, not as a slave. This life isn't fair. I cannot express myself, I cannot live in freedom, because there are barriers in place. If you do what your heart desires, you may end up in jail for "looking crazy". We are living in a kind of police state which seeks to destroy your spirit. Your life force. They feed us pills, and GMO crops, they treat us like guinea pigs, like cattle. They've got a kind of mind control over us. They keep us in an invisible cage, spoon feeding the prisoners ipods, porn, and the morning news. They use scare tactics, propaganda, they wish to keep us docile. They don't want us to see the truth. This system is killing our spirit!!! It is killing our youth!



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 03:52 PM
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Indeed you are thinking along the same lines, great.
i would like to comment on a few of your points:
1) we are slaves to debt, so its not the taxation system - taxes are fine, they spread the wealth (check out Sacndinavia); it is money and *interest* on money that is the evil - the rich get richer and the poor stay poor.
2) I am glad you picked up on the 'illegal' naked dancing. The whole notion of conformity is just another enslavement tactic.
I wish people would turn off their TV and talk to each other more, dream a little more and open their minds.
But if they did that, they may just become a little more enlightened and rebel against the system, and no no no the government would not like that so they keep us dumb, poor and in fear.



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 04:04 PM
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Oh bravo! I love this paragraph: (key words bolded)
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I want to un-incorporate myself, go somewhere, and live FREE.I want to experience life as a human being! Not as some worker bee for the man. Not as a robot, not as a slave. This life isn't fair. I cannot express myself, I cannot live in freedom, because there are barriers in place. If you do what your heart desires, you may end up in jail for "looking crazy". We are living in a kind of police state which seeks to destroy your spirit. Your life force. They feed us pills, and GMO crops, they treat us like guinea pigs, like cattle. They've got a kind of mind control over us. They keep us in an invisible cage, spoon feeding the prisoners ipods, porn, and the morning news. They use scare tactics, propaganda, they wish to keep us docile. They don't want us to see the truth. This system is killing our spirit!!! It is killing our youth!
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The core essence of being human (aka the meaning of life?] is at stake here. I love the worker bee analogy. We work some moronic job living a hectic life of commuting and paying bills, shopping... we are always time poor and tired. And we eat low grade GMO foods and get fat and sick, have to take lots of pills, keep us dumb.
*They* get to eat naturally grown food, get plenty of both rest and exercise, stay healthy.
Remeber, not all of this applies to all people, but much of it does to many people, and those people need to wake up.



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 04:10 PM
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It is indebtedness that enslaves most people. If you can't pay cash, you can't afford it. Trust me. Owe nothing and your time is pleged only to yourself and your family. You work at your will, not out of fear.



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 05:38 PM
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Very true, but you are still focussing on the money aspect. That is just one of the weapons they fight with. Your freedoms are taken away by things like the Patriot act - the US has become a police state. TV, celebrities are there to defocus you and take your time and mindspace. Your free will and spirit are being killed daily.

Free yourself of the money focus and think about what is truly important and what you would genuinely like to do with your life.

Then do it.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 03:48 PM
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I agree. But...


How much work do you need to do to take care of yourself on your own ? Without using anything society has build for public use ?

We are slaves and we are taken advantage of... However most of us don't realize how good we actually have it.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
I agree. But...


How much work do you need to do to take care of yourself on your own ? Without using anything society has build for public use ?

We are slaves and we are taken advantage of... However most of us don't realize how good we actually have it.


Oh boy, at least you have been thinking about this issue... but they've got you right where they want you! My topic has nothing to do with extricating one's self from society and/or living off the land etc, nor not having a good work ethic.

It has to do with loss of freedom , eg slavery. Over the years, we have lost it and we no longer do what we truly want to do any more. It is either illegal (victimless crimes) or you are too busy/time poor to do it, and you put up with all kinds of crap for piddly little rewards.

There is nothing wrong with working, working hard in fact, but still having teh freedom to do what you need and want to do. Sleep in sometimes (not just weekends), smell the flowers, dance naked in the street.

We have lost that. Other countries have not, in places at least. Go visit Spain, or many places in South America. Do not count quality of life by per capita income - count by the health and happiness (freedom?) of the people.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 05:01 PM
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I do understand your point. What I was trying to say is that our freedoms have never been as great as in the past century. Before there was always a regime or tyrant to tell you what to do. The reason we can not walk around naked is a side effect of societies moral values. Not because of bankers or something.

That is called democracy. The majority does not want to see you dance naked. So there will be a law that prohibits it.The reason you get fired from your job is because you have made an agreement with your boss. He relies on you to do what you agreed to. But as I said.. There are people taking advantage from you and the system allows this to be possible.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 05:24 PM
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Yes our freedoms have been great - to travel, to eat well, live in peace etc. Mostly thanks to our harnessing of fossil fuels for energy and technology leaps.
But fossil fuels are running out, and TPTB discovered (like during Vietnam) that people with time on their hands talk amongst themselves and find that they in unison disagree with the powers and policies in place.
So they keep us busy, they keep us in fear (9/11 inside job for example) they keep feeding us crap. Most countries have 2 major politcal parties, fierce opponents and one of them is voted in by the "democratic process" to have full power. But if you took an honest poll of the people you find that they disagree with most policies of BOTH parties but there in fact is little choice or difference between them.

The US is slowly controlling all the land, all the food (Monsanto!), the drugs, the education so that you are totally dependent on the government and corporations, so when the oil does start to run dry you will not have the ability to revolt.

I know you do not live there but much of the world inherits policies from the US.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 07:10 PM
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I know you do not live there but much of the world inherits policies from the US.


I've noticed. But I don't think that is entirely correct. IMO it is not the US that sets the stage. The US is just the center stage in our current society.they are just in the picture.

The way we are enslaved is debt. The freedoms we've lost are mostly because of our own attitude . people want to act and do as they like , but when someone else bothers them in the process they complain.
Just like th freedoms taken after 9-11. We let it happen.

'I've got a feeling oil isn't almost gone either. Do you see any actions taken ? It doesn't seem to worry the corparate industries and governments that much.



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 07:55 PM
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You are right. We are slaves. I decided that a long time ago when I realized, if you analyze life closely, most of our lives [ that is lower and middle class people] we live under some kind of compulsion. [ slavery]
The rich have it a little better than us but not much.

Now its not as bad as the kind of Slavery such as in old America, or ancient Rome, or even some forms that still exist in the world. Nevertheless any degree of compulsion equals slavery.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:03 AM
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Originally posted by inforeal
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Now its not as bad as the kind of Slavery such as in old America, or ancient Rome, or even some forms that still exist in the world. Nevertheless any degree of compulsion equals slavery.


Compulsion - yes, is slavery. But its the loss of freedom, other side of the coin as it were, that I am complaining about. People have lost their spirit. Even in the scientific world, people are afraid to be 'different' If they have a theory or even gather empirical evidence that goes against the 'accepted' standards, they will bury it rather than fear ridicule, loss of job/funding and being ostracised.
We are no longer free.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 05:40 AM
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There is nowhere for people who actually do desire to live in harmony with nature. There is nowhere for us to run. Here in The US, if it isn't private owned land, it's public/Federally owned land, and you need permits to even enter and if camping is permissible, you can only do it for a set number of days.

If these rules did not exist, what do you think would happen to the land?


You can get prosecuted if they catch you living out in the wilderness.

If this did not happen, how much wilderness would there be left?


Corporations have come in, and claimed the land, they say it is theirs, they stole the land from the children of earth.

Are you saying that all land should be held in common? Are you a Socialist, then?

And what do you propose to do about the tragedy of the commons?


I want to un-incorporate myself, go somewhere, and live FREE. I want to experience life as a human being! Not as some worker bee for the man. Not as a robot, not as a slave.This life isn't fair.

You expect life to be fair?


Do you think any creature on Earth is free?

Would you like to be free as a bird, that must forage or hunt all day to find the many times its own weight in food it must consume daily to meet the prodigious energy demands of flight?

Or as free as a wolf upon the range, forever in pursuit of prey and mates?

Or as free as a male anglerfish, who has nothing to do the livelong day but have sex, because he is permanently attached to the female and his body has atrophied to just a pair of gonads and a sperm duct?

Come on--live 'free' as nature intended you to. You'll be wailing for McDonald's in a day.

Patoral idylls are a crock. Every living thing on Earth must work for its living and for its posterity. Civilization and technology, not bucolic primitivism, are the true generators of freedom--without them there is no spare time, no spare capacity, no disposable income.

The rule on Earth is the same for all creatures: if you don't work, you die. If you think that's slavery, you don't know what slavery really means. You and the OP--but Mike_A's already carved the OP up nicely with that razor of his, leaving me free to concentrate on you.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:05 PM
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You are another one firmly in the grasp of the TPTB. You keep brining it back to work and money. The POINT is all about freedom, and the loss of it in todays world.
Hard work is good. You make that point. My point is that freedom is good, and all the freedoms have been removed by laws, debt, fear.
The basic human spirit is gone.

And one final point, a personal point really. You say "Are you a Socialist, then?"
I say yes I am, you make it sound like a bad thing. So please remind me, what exactly is wrong with socialism?

You must be American, because the quickest way to get shot there is to stand on street corner and claim to be a proud communist or socialist. Nobody knows why its bad - it just is. Period.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 12:20 AM
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Originally posted by hmmmbeer
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You are another one firmly in the grasp of the TPTB. You keep brining it back to work and money.

Show me where in my post I mention money.


The POINT is all about freedom, and the loss of it in todays world.

No freedoms have been lost in today's world. You don't understand what freedom means. Freedom, in biological terms, means surplus. The human race has a greater surplus of resources available to it today than at any time in the past. Distribution of resources is at least as good as it ever was, if not better. We are, by and large, freer today our ancestors ever were--unless they were feckless plutocrats--and freer than any other animal. We are not slaves.


So please remind me, what exactly is wrong with socialism?

It cannot prevent the tragedy of the commons without the use of repression.


You must be American, because the quickest way to get shot there is to stand on street corner and claim to be a proud communist or socialist. Nobody knows why its bad - it just is.

I am not American. I have never even visited America. And now you know why socialism is bad.

You're just young, irresponsible and too lazy to use your brains. You'll learn.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 01:02 AM
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Originally posted by hmmmbeer
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You are another one firmly in the grasp of the TPTB. You keep brining it back to work and money. The POINT is all about freedom, and the loss of it in todays world.
Hard work is good. You make that point. My point is that freedom is good, and all the freedoms have been removed by laws, debt, fear.
The basic human spirit is gone.

And one final point, a personal point really. You say "Are you a Socialist, then?"
I say yes I am, you make it sound like a bad thing. So please remind me, what exactly is wrong with socialism?

You must be American, because the quickest way to get shot there is to stand on street corner and claim to be a proud communist or socialist. Nobody knows why its bad - it just is. Period.


Bravo and here-here!! A round of beer for all? Please?!


I would like to point out however, that some of us do feel that we are enslaved by a lack of money! I know this to be true because I have very little of it and it is extremely opressive to be poor! The amount of money I make in relation to the amount of "goods" I consume is not balanced and I know full well that this is my choice. Point being, our entire culture here in the good ole USofA is based completely on what you have. If you do not have internet, you feel completely isolated and out of the loop. I know this first hand as well, having been without internet for 2 years after being extremely active online and receiving ALL of my "awareness" info from the web. If you don't have a car, you better hope that you have access to public transport and a job along that route which does not require you to drive anywhere once you're there (I work for a cleaning company, we use our own vehicles). If you can't afford good healthy food, you are left eating disgusting over-processed, undernourishing foods that do nothing to sustain health and wellness. Then there are all the little things, like toiletries for hygiene, clothes for every season, and of course; BEER!

I am not oppossed to hard work, I do it every day, very manual labor in fact! I want my children to know that there is nothing wrong with hard work, I want them to work hard. There is much value and satisfaction to be had in a hard day's work! Besides, if/when the SHTF, you best not be afraid to work hard and get dirty or you just won't make it.

Finally, I am most likely a socialist as well, I never could figure out exactly why those ideals are so terrible! Some corporate big wig who gets to sit in his/her air conditioned office on the 50th floor of some fancy high-rise, sipping latte and screaming at underlings does NOT deserve to make million bucks a year! But a family of five, with both parents and a child working should not struggle to the point of wondering how the h.e. double hockey sticks they are going to pay rent, utilities AND buy food with the budget they have to work with! It is not necessarily the money we are slaves to, but rather the lack there of which causes stress to such extremes that health problems arise; i.e. stomach ulcers and migraines, not to mention the arguing!



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