I feel that we've strayed from topic and some very specific facts that can't be dismissed.
Unless you go live in a cave or a tree in the middle of the forest, you're going to be influenced by Hollywood directly and indirectly. You will never
escape the people it controls and you will never escape the influence and power it has over your life. The number of idiots it creates is massive and
it's going to continue splitting the populous which hopefully gets those of us seeing things clearly in great enough numbers to start taking control
over the living dead.
To truly level the playing field and even up the players on each team, we really need people with the independent scene philosophy to force their way
into the commercial market and spread a message that promotes self awareness, freedom of expression, educates the masses on the globalist agenda and
inspires people to oppose what they've already been conditioned to favor. The independent scene will never, ever
do this. So I hear what you're
saying but I think you've lead yourself astray as most people in this frame of mind and liberated cultural trend do. They forget that the purpose of
their music was to change the people that need it most and unfortunately, it's the dimwits buying MIley Cyrus, Justin Bieber, 50 Cent, Eminem,
Madonna, Linkin Park etc.etc.etc.
are the people that we need to reach most and unfortunately there is only one way to do it. Segregating yourself and saying how stupid
everyone buying into pop culture is tends to be a huge aspect of the independent music scene regardless of what genre it's built around. It never
fails to hear the people in this scene talk about how stupid everyone outside it is and how unique, artistic and intelligent they are.
It's really just another form of elitism but in far smaller numbers and less glamor. It's another music scene that tends to have very little real
world answers and terminology. It all gets lost in the selfish desire to be artistic and the sad truth is, artists aren't generally intelligent enough
to produce something that is educational in terms of giving their fans sociological weapons to use against the establishments minions. It's still far
too driven by emotion and the desire to be respected and valued as an artist which is why art is in essence, a superficial and selfish form of self
Should it be so shocking that it produces so many selfish people that are blind to it.
I think you're just splitting hairs and not making the realization that there's using it as your creative outlet regardless of how much money you do
or don't make and then there is the distinct purpose of doing it as a tradesman. Selling out in truth is taking a crappy job you hate to pay the bills
and sacrificing your goals in art or the performing arts. Ultimately 90% of the people that do this will settle into consumerism even if they believe
it's on their own terms. Anyone who says they would rather work under the slave system of monetary debt rather than be their own boss and generate a
viable income from their performing is either lying to oneself or naive and unrealistic in their understanding of how life unfortunately works.
The reality of the club scene is, most people realize they don't have the talent to produce music that is going to sell on a wide enough scale to live
off of so they modify their thinking and goals. I am aware of the scene you're talking about, I've spent plenty of time around it but you're only
fooling yourself to believe it's a community where nobody cares about money and wouldn't trade mass market success regardless of the terms rather than
to scrimp by off a meager living from the local music scene or packing boxes in a warehouse to pay their bills.
Consider that in major cities like New York, Miami, Los Angeles, San Francisco etc. the local underground scene is wide scale and the money is there
if you have the talent. Suddenly the philosophy about making it about art and rejecting the establishment become an intertwined community that can't
be sorted one from the other because there is now no distinct line between the commercial scene and the independent scene. Now flip the situation to
where you're in a lesser city or a small city and it's more about culture than it is career, the philosophy has no choice but to be different. The
acceptance that it's going to be difficult to generate a survivable income greatly influences what realistic goals now are. The bottom line is in
terms of marketing, your music is a product no matter how you feel about it as an artist. Either your product is going to be in great demand or it
isn't and unfortunately this is where the independent scene and commercial scene converge in terms of product quality.
There's no shortage of low quality "product" in the commercial market generating millions just as there's no shortage of low quality "product" in the
independent scene generating very little and the logic of the creators is, I'm doing it for the sake of self expressive art. One makes a lot of money
by whoring themselves to the corporate imperialists and the other simply does not. They're so marketable because they represent the average person who
has great limitations and they're more or less stuffed down everyone's throats by million dollar marketing schemes.
The reverse side to this being the person that does it as their trade just as an architect designs houses or a doctor heals the sick. The obvious
difference being the demand and the fact that music as a trade was never meant to be controlled as a mass market industry allowing corporate
monopolies to oppress and discriminate so they can generate hundreds of millions and even billions of dollars.
This produces of course the musician that wants to earn a living, is capable of producing a great product but marketing it on a large enough scale to
produce a viable income creates the necessity of relying on the help of corporatism, even if you're dealing with independent businesses that won't
subject you to fulfilling stereotypes. There's also the reality of being stonewalled even on the moderate independent scale. The ultimate reality
being if you can get a hit song on the radio, whether it's commercial radio or commercial free and college radio, you're going to generate a really
good income. Since you're relying on the promotion of an entity with power, there will always be someone holding power over you until you've amassed
enough of a fan base.
So honestly, I don't feel you're being realistic at all lol.
You either want to make a living off of music or not and if you're one who can produce music that will be demanded enough to do just that, you're
typically going to earn a very good living just in the independent club scene, an outstanding living in the independent mass market scene and of
course a spoil of riches if you enter into the corporate marketing scene.
I'm a metal musician which unfortunately, is the hardest form of music to earn a living from and all my endeavors really rely on the entertainment
business in general. Therefore it's very difficult for me to read what you're saying and not see it as a bit unrealistic and you don't have both feet
on the ground. I don't want to be a rock star, I want to make sure the world has the opportunity
to hear my music and I am able to generate a
solid reliable income. If fame and fortune are a byproduct of these goals, I'll have to cope with it.
I live in Ohio near Cleveland.
Mushroomhead is a band that has been very independent and amassed a nationwide following, at this point it's surely global. But it only took them
10-15 years! lol. They also still play a lot of ratty clubs in some very swanky areas. In my opinion, it's just not worth the trouble if you can
generate a solid stable income and abandon the dives. I suppose the ultimate independence as I laid out in my previous post not only includes self
management, promotion, recording etc. but owning your own clubs in your primary locals that have supported and stabilized your career.
At the end of the day, I want to have made a difference but not at the expense of living in the poor house.
edit on 13-9-2010 by JonDeath because: (no reason given)