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Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
reply to post by ProjectJimmy
Why not eliminate the individual taxation on sole proprietorships and individuals and enact sales taxation with corporate taxation?
Originally posted by whatukno
Just because you want to destroy this Union and set up a fascist regime doesn't mean that the rest of us do.
I know, you would like it if juries all across the country would use their power of nullification to the extent that society is crawling with serial killers, murderers and rapists. But common decency would dictate otherwise. I believe your want for this to occur is because you hate the Constitution, hate freedom and hate America.
Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by nenothtu
You probably didn't notice that little word "if" there. Might want to read more slowly so parts don't get skipped.
Actually I did, that is why the first word in the first part of my reply to you was the word IF. Perhaps you need to take your own advice once and a while.
You also have the right to vote. But if that is not a important right for you obviously none of your other rights are either.
Actually you are right, you do have the right to complain. However if you don't vote, than your complaint means exactly nothing.
Actually putting your mark on a contract does give consent.
I didn't say passed out drunk chick at a party. I said party slut. The difference is, the passed out drunk chick at a party cannot give consent, while the party slut can and does give consent to everyone in the place freely of her own will. Do you see the difference?
If you vote, you give your consent to be governed by the elected official. If your guy does not win the election, then it gives you the right to say how terrible the winner is doing at every opportunity. In fact, if you vote, your dissent for the elected person that you did not vote for holds more weight because you weren't apathetic, and did go and vote.
While the lazy apathetic sob who did not vote, well, he can complain, but no one cares. After all, it's like listening to a wino in an alley bitch about the pidgins. Yea, you hear him, but no one gives a damn.
SCOTUS should comprise of 'elected' individuals if they are to serve any purpose for the people.
HAHAHA WHAT!?!?!
You can't even quote where he's advocating fascism... Just throwing out ignorant rhetoric.
The government rules by the CONSENT of the governed.
If we or I do not consent, they have no power.
Yes, all forms of nullification need to be pursued. State nullification and jury nullification. There are other ways such as asking for jurisdictional hearings, but those are better handled by the better informed.
The Constitution is a listing of powers allowed to the federal government. The bill of rights are specific rights afforded the people. By the 9th and 10th, these rights are not limited to the rights listed, but also include all those NOT listed.
Just as I have stated that the Alcohol Prohibition amendments prove that nothing within the Constitution can be added or removed without a Constitutional Amendment, hence any legislation that either takes a right away or tries to add another one, be it to the Individual, the States, or the Federal government must require an Amendment.
Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
reply to post by Janky Red
Well, corporations were given "person" status with NONE of the consequences of a real flesh and blood human being.
Can a corporation be convicted of murder? Of course not, hell it is almost impossible to prove that corporations have used cost accounting, to legitimize deaths of human beings instead of fixing a problem, lawsuits/fines vs fixing problem. Even if they are proved to have done it, will anyone be convicted of murder? No, they get a fine and maybe someone gets a few bucks in a lawsuit. Yeah, that is justice.
Corporations are NECESSARY in my eyes. They have allowed us to create great benefit for man, but with the implementation of the other components, as corporate loopholes and their partnering with government, has caused all kinda problems.
Remove the tax burdens on individuals and sole proprietors, and then let the corporate profits be taxed alone. THIS would create a whole new surge in small business. Great for the country and great for the INDIVIDUALS.
Nice catch-22 you've got going on there. If an individual doesn't vote at all, they're comparable to a party slut, and consents to anything from anyone, and if they DO vote, then they consent to anything from anyone, regardless of the outcome.
But know that if people like him gain power soon they will be placing the "undesirables" into concentration camps to be exterminated.
They can reverse their decision. See, if you knew anything on how this government works you would know that the legislative branch passes legislation, the potus signs it into law, and if that law is not constitutional the SCOTUS rejects that law.
Just because YOU don't like a law, doesn't mean it's unconstitutional.
Saying that all government is derived from the consent of the people (or should be) is not fascism. It's what the founding fathers of this country stood for. And what millions of us who still follow in their tradition still stand for. It's OUR government. I don't see where you get off with this crap. People like you are the reason the US is so screwed up to begin with.
Originally posted by whatukno
The problem is, our OP friend wants thinks to be only his way, he wants only his consent to be valid, not anyone else. Doesn't that denote a tyrannical ideology? Instead of a Republic by the people and for the people, he wants a government by himself, for himself and to hell with what anyone else thinks, that's tyranny.
He want's a small minority of people to dictate what is and what is not in these United States. He want's juries to legislate from the jury box by acquitting everyone for every crime, which would destroy the judicial system, he wants to remove the powers invested in the legislative branch by the United States Constitution, thereby eliminating all use of the legislative branch. Leaving the executive branch the only one spared thereby creating a fascist dictatorship.
If you don't see what evil oppression this guy wants for this country I feel bad for you. It must be sad to be so easily led about by the nose.