Up to a point I agree with the OP and their positon.
I do not however agree with all of it.
I find todays male to be very sissified indeed. I find alot of males who have been raised primarily by women and or a television set or by movies.
They have very feminine thinking and value systems. They, like many women, need help when things get difficult or hardship comes. Their problem
solving skills are very lacking. In their ability to find the easy path or get someone else to solve problems, rescue them, or take the risk out of
life for them, they seem to be very feminine..even female like. And these males are becoming fathers. They are often high maintenance like many
They know how to get to the coffee pot, microwave, and refrigerators..but shy away from hard demanding work requiring thinking and risk. Instant
gratification values..not postponed gratification values.
Are all males today like this..no but the numbers seem to be growing.
Also being a man means solving a probem or problems to a satisfactory conclusion..not how many asses you can kick. This world is full of problems
needing an attention span/discipline to solve beyond ass kicking. What are some of you thinking?? And I mean male and female both!!
What I sense by the OP is that there is a generation of males out here who like women...define themselves by what they consume...how they look..;.;by
the physical. In this I agree with her in that they are like many women more physical in certain arenas than the males of olde. It becomes obvious
that they have been raised by anyone and anything but a man in their lives.
Watch them..they can't put the cell phone down for long. It is like a drug to them. They are hooked. They are social creatures..just like many
females. What is sickening to me is people..male and female both who would rather be on the phone..;.mostly texting when work is to be done..even
hazardous/dangerous work where peoples lives and safety are involved. They cannot focus outside of the phone. I find this conduct very
feminine...instant gratification...not disciplined or postponed gratification.
Another thing I have learned...while I am not against sexuality..if find it disgusting both male and female for anyone to define themselves by their
sexuality or sexual orientation. Male and female.
For I know that people are so much more than sexuality. I am not arguing her against sexuality. I am saying that people are more than sexuality. Do
not be stupid enough to declare your glory and human properties by your sexuality. You have to go to school to get this naturally dumb and ignorant so
as not to be aware that people are more than sex and sexuality. And public schooling has become a television and movie education. This is obvious to
thinking peoples. And who pays for this pubic education..politicians ..who are themselves become drama queens..taking advantage of peoples emotions
and insecurities for votes and power....very feminine even sexual in nature.
And most peoples of today have a Television/movie education based on emotional instant gratification. This is part of what we see by people defining
themselves by what they consume..not by what they know or the skills they have by knowing how to do things..both male and females. And advertising for
goods and services has become highly and overdone in sexuality/insecurities.
I have no objections to a woman working or not working if she chooses to do so. Among couples this is usually decided by a process called division of
I think also what the OP is describing is males who are not natural risk takers in lieu of defining themselves by their instant emotional
gratifications...as do many females.
Being a male in certain arenas means disciplines...and disciplines means postponed gratifications. Female socialization in economically affluent
social structures means more instant gratifications for them verses third world nations where neither male or female get much of this.
Do not become so ignorant that you become want to define yourself by what is around you to the point you no longer know the difference. I know more
people who cannot define a thought or idea outside of some movie or television program they have watched at some time. They dont even seem to know
that they are doing or carrying out this pattern. It has become an automatic response/thought. Their thoughts are someone elses thought, their
emotions someone elses. They live second hand vicarious lives through television and movies and dont even know it. They buy huge amounts of goods
based on someone else invading their tought processes..;they are excellent consumers..just.not good peoples. Many are copies of what they have watched
in others through movie and television mediums.
This has become so perverted that the males now define themselves by this template...in feminization.
How many peoples do you know who fit this template. I know lots of them.
Many of you will notice this now that you have read this post.
I do not watch sports with the exception of a good fishing program.I like to catch and eat fish. Not interested in trophy fishing. A photo will do. I
prefer my fish in the pan or freezer.
I have no interest in living second hand through the gods of sports. This idol worship has no appeal to me.
I dont have to talk about power tools for the same reason as sports..I dont need to live second hand through powerful hand tools. I am in Shipbuilding
as a machinist. I use them to make a living. I know how to make many tools do what I need them to do. I also know how to modify and adapt many to
purposes not intended. Even how to fabricate many of my own in solving problems. Tools are not an idol to me of worship. I dont need to live in second
hand hero worship through tools...just as do many through sports.
I had to laugh at this program years ago about the tool man...Tim Allen...I think was his name. I found this progrram disgusting and seldom watched it
except long enough to show it was a program for the feminizing of the male by altering reality through humor and ridicule. It often portrayed the
male as bumbling and inept..while the women sat in the back...calm and sedate..;directing the whole affair and not taking risks...but directing the
risks of others. This is part and parcel of this television programming and education which many have today received. This program was followed by
many others of the same genre...and pattern. the feminizing of the American male.
I cant even remember the name of this program...can any of you??
I have two cars, a van, and a truck. I ride a moped and scooters to work. I dont care what others think of me in this venue. I am secure enough in
what I am doing to not care about this. I am laughing all the way to the bank.
But then again..I dont live 25 to 50 miles from work. Nonetheless others can p--s off on this. I dont care what they think of me in this regard.
Much of what is male to day is cheap advertising. I am not interested in this. I find little of interest in television or movies. Most of it is to
sell a philosophy or merchandise. Same for being females. Most of the markets in Westeren economically affluent social structures is focused on the
females to sell products.
For it is known that the female in these affluent nations is the determiner of where and how most of the monies are spent ..particularly on big
ticket items.; Homes, cars, goods to furnish the homes...et al. It is the female who must be sold. Not the male. The male can take the bulk of risks
in how the monies are earned but it is the female that must be sold...not the male. The male can be controlled in his spending habits by the female.
The female can be controlled by appealing to the children in making her insecure. Now the male is controlled by the female and the children.
However ..if you feminize the male..;you now can create an alternate market for goods and services. No matter that it is destroying the social
structure...by feminizing him to the point where he cannot defend a male position outside of his consumption levels. This is not accidental..nor is
the previous description I presented.
Both are designed to neuter the male through feminization and disregard his risk taking ability.
Ever notice closely that the political dogma called Wealth Redistribution is not talking about Risk Redistribution?? Very Feminine and female....is it
not?? Watch these political whores closely for this fingerprint. Once you notice this template..you know that the King is Naked..the King has on no
clothes. You have to go to school and become stupid/dumbed down not to notice it. And it has been successfully done by politics paying for and
financing public education and a media shilling for it. Very feminine in preying on your insecurities...is it not??
I recall reading a magazine someone brought into work called Maxim. I was shocked to see that it was the male equivalent of Cosmopolitan. The same
overpriced advertisements for goods. The same cheap selling points. By this stuff or be no one. Be a player by purchasing this stuff. Sickening. The
only thing missing was the Quiz format. Apparently men have not been sufficiently feminized to respond to quizzes.......yet???
Nonetheless I found this magazine and others of the genre to be cheap versions of another cheap magazine called Cosmopolitan. Take the sex and
sexuality out of all of them and you have nothing.
What does it take to get some people to wise up to all this glitter and glitz.
I use a comb or a brush..I dont care who approves or disapproves of it...they can all P--s Off. I'm driving this bus and paying for it.
As to farting or breaking wind...;it can become uncomfortable. I dont expect my woman to suffer for it. But I do expect her to be somewhat discrete
as will I. I feel it is worse to suffer or be uncomfortable with it. I expect the same from her. Get used to it or get lost.
I dont need to lift weights to prove my manhood. I work in shipbuilding..I haul lots of steel around.
I dont like the smell of piss or puke...male or female. I dont approve of men who cannot hit the target and piss all over everything for everyone
else to suffer or clean up behind them. I find this detestable and unskilled. If you cannot hit the target sit down like a woman. Dont inflict your
handicaps on others.
This also does not mean the correct position for the seat is down. If you cannot determine the position of the seat before you do your business...you
are high maintenance..male or female both. Look before you jump dummy.
I had a bunch of males and females staying with me during a hurricane some years back. I found the men could not hit the target and we would quickly
have a sanitation problem. I got all of them in the bathroom and lectured them on what I thought and expected of them. If they cannot hit the target
sit down like a woman or clean up behind themselves every time. No need for such selfishness in making others suffer for their lack of skills. I find
this conduct sickening.
Women too are not the cleanest in their bathroom habits. This is not just a male issue.
If a male wants to model to make a living..no problem with me on this. If the market will pay him for this skill..Bon Appetit. I dont think any less
of him. This world takes all kinds of skills to keep going.
In like manner, while I dont watch sports, if the market is willing to pay these salaries to keep the sport going no problem with me. They just wont
be taking my monies as I dont watch such sports nor buy the products advertised. Not interested in this. But if the market will pay them for playing
and or modeling or advertising products..Bon Appetit.
Real men do not cry over everything..I agree with the OP on this. She did not say never cry but dont cry over everything. Most men do their crying and
suffereing in private. Prefering to not make a public display over it.
Most men of any caliber are under disciplines..meaning postponed gratifications..not instant gratifications..including crying.
Female socialization is usually different in this aspect. Women as a whole expect socially to cede/cater to their emotions....not discipline them.
In this aspect the men are becoming feminized indeed.
I will also add that the women who understand this are themselves becoming a rare breed...as are men.
To many males out here..not men. To many females....not women as well.
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