posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 04:30 PM
One of my friends pointed this argument out to me on my other friends' facebook and I had a lot of laughs. I am not in this conversation but I
thought I would post it to let you guys analyze it and say anything you feel about it. And BTW the one labeled "T" hasn't been in combat...yet.
So my friend (which will be displayed as T) posted a video of the airforce since he is in the air national guard for 9/11 sympathy purposes. My other
friend(which will be displayed as J) is somewhat of a like minded friend of mine that doesn't agree with the whole war and unfortunately got himself
into something he should have never gotten in.
J: If you like promoting death..., if we are a superpower, why would we have to fight for anything or fight anyone from a continent away especially
when we are apparantly unmatched in military technology with the exception of isreal, boming an already impoverished country back to the stone age,
deforming the offspring of thoes people with Depleted Uranium?...I understand your love for this country, i love this country too, but not at this
T: J, your an absolute idiot, if you don't have anything positive to say, especially knowing I'm in the military don't. your completely uneducated
on the subject matter. War is necessary, nobody likes it, but it is. We wouldn't be where we are if we didn't have to.
M: So let the extremists take over an kill their own people that makes sense... Feel free to stand in front of us buddy
J: im just saying look at the reality of it...obviously the orgin of this country was based off of war, but now in modern times, companies and
conglomerates are profiting off destruction and death that war brings,. Im just saying how would you feel if you were living in that impoverished
country? Im not trying to offend you
T: J, your your extreme lack of intelligence is so obvious right now it blows my mind. You are no longer welcome in my home. Lets just do a little
analogy. If i punched you in the face how would you react? Would you be like "whatevs im just gonna rap with the zero talent I have and not do
anything about it" or would you fight back protecting yourself?
T: Your next post, depending on how angry it makes me, will lead to you being blocked and I hope to never see you again. Your extreme lack of respect
to those who have died for this country disgusts me and I will not consider you a friend. Goodbye
M: Those impoverished people are killed by the car bombs that their own people make and do you think those people care that they kill children? Nope
not at all.
L: There are people fighting in parts of the world defending your right to speak that bull# that is coming out of your mouth J, remember that!!!
L: Thats pretty inconsiderat and stupid of John to talk # on you when you are in the #in military. i dont get it ? lol
T: You went to high school with him, its no secret that he is stupid and socially awkward.
H: its your choice to support the war but you should always support our troops (or Airmen) heh
L: definatly, they pay the ultimate sacrifice
G: J, not only was that comment idiotic because you posted something completely disrespectful about the military on one of your friends walls who
happens to be in the military, but it also made no sense politically... Your basically saying ...that if a country is impoverished and "weak" they
should have to ability to do whatever they want. They can kill thousands of INNOCENT Americans and we shouldnt do anything about it just because they
are impoverished?!! Are you kidding me?!! So if the people flying those planes on 9-11 happened to be from a wealthy country it would have been okay
to retalliate??? I have heard a lot of ridiculous arguments against the war in iraq and afghanistan but this has to be the most ridiculous and
stupidest of all.
T: ^^well put Mr. G
J, you got a response?
R: you cant have peace without war. when someone punches you in the face and kills thousands of innocent people its game time. whoever this J
character is should be thanking the military for his freedom. the fact that you can say stupid stu...ff is provided through the fact that the military
has fought and died for your freedom of speech. freedom of speech doesnt mean to be an idiot. i went to basic with T thats why im commenting on this.
military guys go through alot of crap and dont need a thank u everyday but a comment like that. go one day in the military and you would respect it 10
T: J, you have three military members in this post and you seemed to run away with you tail between your legs..why? Wheres your argument? You seemed
so firm in your statements.
C: Hey guys. So I saw this argument and messaged J and he asked me to post this:
"I'm just saying...I support the troops, i have and always will, I just don't support the unjustified wars as of right now. Aside from the troops
that are extr...emely patriotic, most of the force that is in Iraq is mainly voluntary, because of the economic environment that has been placed among
everyone, most have been forced by this to sign up for money. The only wars that have come close to even threatening our freedoms and securities were
the the world wars, the cold war, which was mainly an occupation of both political and military force from both sides. Korea was a police action,
Vietnam was police action, just as far as every occupied territory. The current war which originated from 9/11 at first was to find Osama bin Laden,
which then quickly changed to Saddam Hussein having nuclear capability, which there is still no evidence to prove this accusation, then changed to
democratizing the country of Iraq… at least that’s what fox news says or what Rush Limbaugh says…Most if not all of the countries that we have
occupied in our were impoverished. Every country that we touch with our weapons has left some kind of abnormality to both foreign and American
soldiers, When we sprayed the rice fields of Vietnam with agent orange, it not only had a military advantage but it also hit a moderate to large sized
portion of the population, In the Gulf war, we were using DU shells, which stand for depleted uranium, not only did it effect the outlying populations
of the land we were occupying but our troops, OUR TROOPS T, came back with cancerous abnormalities which then effected their offspring. That can only
come from the nuclear warfare that we have. The companies and conglomerates , like Boeing, and North American, that manufacture the weapons , jets,
and bombs, make money of the unjustified wars. Basically a board of directors are making money off of you. the COMPANY could give a # whether or not
you or the person half a world away being told what they are dying for , they’re just looking for an investment. I'm just saying that the people
who die at a moment’s notice to defend our country are being used for monetary gain. I am forever grateful of the rights I have as an American. And
I would die for them if they were to be taken away just as the next man or woman would… If you don’t want to have an actual argument, and just
straight up insult my intelligence and my hobbies then, I cant respect your argument. I apologized if I offended you …I just was trying to make you
aware of the whole situation not just one side, but if something like this makes you so upset as to never welcome into your household then I really
just don’t know what else to think of you."
In my honest opinion, I felt that you were being a bit unfair to J. The man was just trying to have an educated argument which you quickly turned into
a bashing on him. He even acknowledged that he wasn't trying to offend you...
G: You want to have a political argument about this then i'd be happy to take you up on it J... Basically in that giant essay you just posted your
main point could be summed up to one thing, that we should fight wars which protect our freed...om/rights and the war in afghanistan is not a war that
we're fighting to protect those rights. You are right that we should fight wars to protect our freedom/rights but i completely disagree that those
are the only reasons we should fight wars. You are forgetting about the most obvious, most just, and best reason for fighting a war which is to keep
american citizens safe! Keeping Americans safe is the reason we are fighting the war in afghanistan. on 9-11 terrorists from afghanistan killed
thousands of innocent americans. That CAN NOT BE TOLERATED! According to your argument we should allow every attack on america to take place until
there is a serious threat of our country being taken over. According to you we should allow thousands of americans to die. Your saying it is okay to
allow an attack here and an attack there... Hell, who cares if a couple thousand americans die right?... Give me a break J
Btw... Since your so concerned with preserving our rights and freedom i thought i should point this out. Radical Islam hates us because we have the
right to be free. They're goal is to take that freedom away from us. The nazi's and soviets didnt hate us because we were free. So according to your
philosophy radical islam is a far greater threat than any we've faced before.
P: haha! his argument is so weak you can hit it from so many angles. The one that hasn't been addressed is that the problem he has is that there's
monetary gain over war. As if the only reason for war is to make money, that's complete crap to ...start with. One of the great freedoms besides the
freedom of speech is the American Dream. As a matter of fact I'd say J is trying to pursue that through his career. However, what if we were to tell
John that he wasn't able to rap or write songs because it can be directed to hurt people's feelings. These poor people could be impoverished and
John is well off, as a matter of fact he's profiting from his work, even though his work is good, he's profiting and someone else is losing. This is
a skewed analogy because the companies he says are profiting and are the ones killing others.
However, the way I would look at it is the video T showed demonstrated that companies like Boeing are working their asses off to innovate new
technologies and machines to give our military more protection and to back courageous men and women like T when in combat before our enemies come up
with this technology. It's easy to nit pick having a technological advantage but let me tell you if you were in T shoes and you were over there in
combat you would be dang proud to have companies developing technology to back you up while in combat, it could be the very thing that saves your
life. And the fact that they profit is because they do a hell of a job giving our boys the advantage, however anytime in America that you provide good
products/services you will be compensated, that's what brings all the talent to America to start with, that's what's so great about our nation.
M: Your saying I joined because of the money!! Hahaha what money your such an idiot