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Another Government Shutdown?

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posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 04:50 AM
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An article from the White House Blog, yep the Democrats and the President are saying WHAT now? Tax breaks for small business.

Hmmm, who's idea is that usually? Oh that would the Tea Partiers.


The White House has officially endorsed the Tea Party!



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Today the President once again discussed his proposals to boost America’s economic recovery – from rebuilding America’s roads and bridges, to giving businesses incentives to invest, to help for small business. If one sat back and tried to think of the most bipartisan idea the President could possibly propose to boost job creation, it would probably be providing tax breaks for small businesses, and yet even this has been blocked by the partisan Republican minority from even coming up for an up-or-down vote for months.



Oh, I see, they want to spend some more money. I wonder if these infrastructure contracts will come with SOME STRINGS attached? You know, like funneling the work to their union backed sycophant companies?

No, never happen.

Yep, same ol same ol rhetoric. The democrats are in control of the Senate, the House and the White House but it is the Republican's in congress now that are at fault.

Let us look further into it shall we?

Oh, here we go, what they are actually trying to say.


While the President was laying out bipartisan solutions to continue creating jobs, this Republican Congressman was rallying his political base in favor of his preferred solution – simply shutting the government down altogether:


While the President was being all bi partisan, in the White House blog's view, the Conservatives want to shutdown the crony splurge fest going on in Washington.

DAMN, they MIGHT just be getting the message! What is amazing is that the writer of this article does not realize that is EXACTLY what we have been screaming for decades!

Are they that obtuse or ignorant. Get this White House, the smallest government governs the best.

Let us look further into the article shall we?

For a view of the opposition in the article-


Speaking to hundreds of activists gathered at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington for the Faith and Freedom Conference, Rep. Lynn Westmoreland (R-Ga.) urged the audience to stand with House Republicans when they go toe-to-toe with President Barack Obama.

Westmoreland said his caucus – presuming it takes control of the House come November – aims to pass spending bills that Obama is likely to veto. He predicted Republicans would not be able to override such a veto, creating a standoff that could cause Congress to grind to a halt.

“If the government shuts down, we want you with us,” he said.

The congressman recalled a similar shutdown that took place in 1995, when Newt Gingrich – also a speaker at the conference – was serving as House speaker.


Has the government even set up the budget for next year? Last I heard, still not passed.

Gridlock, awesome. Seems good to me. I say we defund the monster. Put Frankenstein's Monster out of it's misery.

Back to Constitutional government.

Last snippet from the article-



While the President is offering a vision about how to move the country forward and help middle class Americans and small business owners, Republicans in Congress are busy telling partisans and Republican party activists to get prepared for the same stalemate and gridlock they brought the last time they were in charge. The President, like most Americans, is open to hearing new ideas to create jobs and boost the recovery from anybody in any party – unfortunately Americans are not hearing those ideas from Republicans in Congress.


Yes, the President is SINGLE HANDEDLY going to save the middle class, the small businesses, and DO NOT FORGET ABOUT the children!

Funny, almost two years into office, NOW he is talking about tax breaks for private business! BUT is her really, or is this just another STIMULO PORKO stimulus bill that will go to more of his cronies and calling it a small business tax break bill. Yep, same ol, same ol. You know, call it one thing and when you ACTUALLY read it, it is a completely other MONSTER?

Blame the Republicans. Blame Conservatives. Blame, blame, blame, blame, blame.
Did I mention, BLAME?


JUST to remind EVERYONE, the Democrats have been in CONTROL of the budgets, for 4 years now.

Hmmm, amazed they did not break out the blame Bush rhetoric in this article.

Oh, I must give the credit to the author of this piece-
Dan Pfeiffer is White House "Propaganda" erm Communications Director




posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 07:40 AM
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You didn't mention the BLAME!!!



Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower

Blame the Republicans. Blame Conservatives. Blame, blame, blame, blame, blame.
Did I mention, BLAME?

....
Hmmm, amazed they did not break out the blame Bush rhetoric in this article.



oh wait there it is, phew.

so now let see some more posts with BLAME.


edit on 12-9-2010 by pryingopen3rdeye because: to say, btw good thread and OP.



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 07:49 AM
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It was Bush's fault.
It was the Bank's fault.
It was the private company's fault.
It was the taxpayers fault, they are just not giving him a chance.
It is the Tea Partiers fault, they are not spending the last of their money on stuff.
It is the................................

Do not look at
Fannie and Freddie
Federal Reserve
The peeps forcing banks to push mortgages on those could not afford it.
The banks creating conglomerate debt vehicle derivatives.
The insurance companies creating insurance on those derivatives.
The open border and mass immigration policy that flat lined wages.

NO, do not look at the very things that caused it.

Blame anyone but themselves.

I despise narcissists.



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 07:51 AM
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Hey anybody out there want to answer this question.

The time frame they were talking about back in the 90's. Let me ask you, who was the president at that time and what happened?

I mean to the economy.

Just wondering?



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 08:19 AM
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In 1995 Gingrich refused to sign the Budget because Clinton made him sit in the back of the plane.

www.rules.house.gov...
A little light reading on that shutdown.
You are of course aware that during a shutdown, the government employees still get payed, they just don't do any work?



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 08:38 AM
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I was not asking about the shutdown, I was asking about the economy.

What was the economy like back then before SOMEONE signed the NAFTA and GATT into law?

Just wondering?

Do you know what the economy was like, and WHO controlled the budgets at that time?



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 09:17 AM
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Back then was back then, different times different Government, different situations.

Some people think because there is an opposition, that they should oppose everything the Government does, which is not true, the opposition is there to ensure the Government does not do anything to damage a Country, not oppose it just for the sake of it.

So the blame should always lay with those who refuse to agree to something they know could benefit those who need it most, not because they misunderstand their purpose for being.

Its so easy to point the finger at the person who took over the company going bankrupt, but when they get there they have just a screwdriver to remove nuts and bolts to get inside to fix the broken machinery which they need to get the company back up and running because they can now start the manufacturing process again, bad maintenance will always cause a break down.

You cant blame someone if they are refused the right tools for the job, that is just insane.

Wouldn't it be more productive if all parties actually got together and worked for the benefit of all, instead of destroying all efforts to rebuild, makes me wonder who is really to blame?

The person trying to fix the problems inherited, or the people trying to make it look like that inheritance was always that persons fault?

The way I remember it, the World had this problem before the last General election, and its perfectly clear they who backed it refuse to accept any responsibility for it, instead trying to convince people its a new problem that only happened once the new manager got his job, would you rehire a managerial team who almost took down your business? or would you allow the team hired to try and fix the mess that already existed when they got hired?

Seems to me that America and its people would be better served by working with Obama, instead of lying and cheating their way into convincing America and its people, that they' re squeaky clean and not responsible for anything, sure the are all as bad as each other, but I also believe you would be hard pressed to find a bigger fool than Bush, (unless you elect Palin of course), or any other fool who stands in the way of repairing the mess everyone finds themselves in.

And there you have your problem, it isn't Obama, its those who oppose everything in an attempt to get elected, by deliberately destroying any and all attempts at easing the problem, and making it look like its Obama's fault instead of putting America first and its people.

Try working with them instead then maybe the GOP wont look like a bunch of right wing lunatics, at the end of the day everyone loses if you don't on all sides.

Any good idea is good and valid, no matter who thought of it first, it sometimes pays not to play the hero and just walk away after you have saved people from the burning building, not in your pocket but in your soul, the greatest rewards are the ones that make you feel good in yourself, not in the eyes of others.

The problem with being labelled the hero is people expect it all the time, real hero's don't think about it, they just do it without thought of reward or recognition.


edit on 12/9/2010 by azzllin because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 10:04 AM
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WOW, that was quite the speech.

Now that his ideas and the other ideas inherent to big government and socialistic ideas, don't seem to work, now we are to perceive that everyone else was wrong, that government is NOT the solution.

Sorry, am I getting your comment down right?

Even though everything that has been tried over the last 4 years, were instituted by a Democrat controlled congress, everyone needs to work with Obama. Is that what you are saying?

Sometimes the cognitive dissonance amazes me.

Wow, I am so glad I can see psychological problems manifest themselves before my very eyes.

A just saw a political cartoon that was very descriptive. It had Obama leaning back, then in the next clip it had him hitting his head on a brick wall. This went on about 3 times, the forth series had a smile come across his face and a lightbulb above his head. The very next clip, head to brick wall again.

Quite revealing. This is why economics and big government are nothing like scientific study. When the same bad results happen, the narcissistic mind (which is inherent in government and economic think tanks) thinks that they can institute failed actions and make them work, only because the power of their will.

It is actually quite sad.



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 11:28 AM
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What I am saying is, wouldn't it be better to work with what you have to make things work, or at least try, rather than try and rip apart every single thing he attempts to do?

After all its America and its people who are important am I right?

So preventing everything and anything he does, is not in the best interest of America, its in the best interest in obtaining the top spot (Presidency) , the GOP seem to take the opposite stance on every single attempt at at least trying something new, rather than letting it run with what has been proven to be a huge mistake.

Like those screaming for a Revolution, How do they know that Revolution is what people really want how do they know its in the best interest of Americans rather than thinking they are playing a video game where the bullets actually kill? some assume it is, that is narcissistic, just like assuming everything he does is wrong is narcissistic because they assume their way is better and people should listen to them.

I'm not American but I do give a damn about the American people, especially all my friends who are American and who I worked with for so long, I paid a lot of taxes in America a hell of a lot of taxes, I saw the change in Government there for myself when Bush got the job, I also saw the hatred in peoples eyes when they realised the Election was stolen.

Its common sense which tells me that unless you do start to work together, then more than likely I will be providing accommodation for quite a few of my friends who are American, I hear both sides, I have friends who support more than both sides, and who do not want to see America go through anything like the last ten years.

I saw friends lose everything because of Bush and his cronies and I seriously mean everything, but I am guessing nothing like that has come close to happening to you? I do apologise if you did lose everything and making the assumption.

America is tearing itself right down the middle, the haves and the have nots, what ever happened to Americans for Americans? the great American dream? the time when Men where Men and had the balls to say exactly what it was that they had a problem with instead of icing it over with pathetic excuses and blaming everyone but those who are really accountable?

By laughing and ridiculing every attempt to just try and improve things even just a little is making a laughing stock out of your entire country, how is that fair when its the minority who are stopping and preventing what could benefit the entire Nation?

Do you believe BUSH did a good job as president, or does the murder of over a million people through lies not count because they are not Americans?

Does the rest of the World not matter, do people not matter as long as you get $ in your wallet?

The problems America faces are much bigger than Obama, hey are much bigger than any individual, why when your Nation actually does get to vote in a President fairly and squarely, does it all of a sudden become offensive to the minority? sour grapes? bad losers? we all know, well the ones with eyes and a conscience know that on the most part its a lot deeper than that.

Why try and destroy a President that at least tries even with all the fire aimed at him, who didn't run when it got tough, even with all he disgusting low blows aimed directly at him and his Family rather than the democrats. when you have a criminal ex President roaming free with a huge smarmy look on his face, a man who will go down in history as one of the most hated people ever, a man who brought anti American sentiment raining down on you all because of his greed and manipulation.

Why not instead of actually trying to destroy any hope your Nation has left by concentrating on the one man instead of all of the Democrats and their policies, why is Obama the target and not his POLICIES? why not go after those who really run your Government instead of the patsy if that is what he is

Why instead of being Republicans and Democrats instead be Americans? why allow it to continue when you could actually sit down and discuss what is best for your Nation as Americans for the people, why allow it to go so far that you could see members of your Family being killed by some stranger just because you didn't agree or they didn't agree over some stupid argument which could have been settled by simply talking and finding a way to agree to disagree.

You tell me why its always Obama this Obama that when its the Congress and Senate who really make most of the decisions, why is it always an attack on Obama? you tell me tell us all, what would you personally do? how would you change it? what would you yourself do to make America American again.

So what someone had an idea long ago, have the Republicans never stolen an idea? or used someone else's idea, did nobody ever lose a job under a Republican Leader? and what is with the tea party rubbish? we know we know you threw some tea into the water and started the fight for independence, congrats on that BTW, the reasons for that where the exact same way your country is run right now, but is not a fight against that now is it, its a fight against Obama.

Is nobody Man enough to stand up and say ok enough, lets work to fix this mess before we reach a point where every single one of you is going to regret not doing so , why throw fuel on an already out of control fire.

You tell us what would you do if you were President and you just inherited a stinking corruption riddled Government where everyone is out for themselves instead of the great Nation we all used to love.

It takes a great man to stand up admit they were wrong and actually do something to fix the problem, what did you lose under Obama that nobody else lost under Bush.



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 11:52 AM
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Where in this thread have I attacked the man?

I attack his policies that, lo and behold, mirror ol meester bushes.

You know, big government, big war, cronyism, bailing out the connected banks, connected unions (by the way, the GM unions profited from the government's UNLAWFUL theft of bondholders shares), Patriot Act, Gitmo, etc etc etc.

No, compromise got us Bush. Compromise got us bailouts. Compromise has brought us to THIS point in time.

No more. That is it.

That is why you are seeing liberal Republicans losing their seats. That is why you are going to see in about 50 days a wholesale change in the Congress.

Now, if the ones we put in do not follow the mandate to go back to Constitutional government, then things may get all hairy.

Sorry, more corruption, more non transparency, more loss of rights and privacy, more war and strife, NO that is not what he was elected on.

Think about this one thing.

There has been a -2.8 inflationary rate since he has been elected.
They have in my best estimates printed up 24 trillion bucks to send to foreign banks and this and that. We are not allowed to know that though. Since 08 more than 4 Trillion dollars added to the debt. Private sector pensions have been wiped out and the government sector pensions and salaries continue to rise.

Do you not understand the disconnect between us private employees and employers compared to the government workers (amongst others)? We the people that wanted to be left alone to our lives are being asked to foot even a bigger bill to keep this monstrosity going.

You know a few years back, this may have blown over. But no longer. The outright theft, graft, corruption, cronyism, kickbacks, LIES and everything else has pushed too far. I think the government is lucky the people have been so accommodating.

But, one thing is for sure, we the people will no longer allow it.



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