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Feminism: Destroying the Male and Female Relationship

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posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 05:47 PM
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well, maybe if those societies made motherhood more rewarding....
they'd have more takers???

the:
"You"re financially dependent on me, so you have to do as I say, or I will dessert you and leave you and my children in proverty.." isn't gonna fly in the western world...

we need to come up with a ma/paternal society...
one gender shouldn't have to lay down their dreams, their desires, their hopes.....just to preserve the society.
if that is what is needed, then well...
obviously, we are doing something wrong!




posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 05:51 PM
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another example is when men actually do get custody of their children...
I've known a few single dads...
none of them have gotten the perks that single moms do from the social service office!! they work, they have to pay their own rent, they have to pay their own child care...ect...ect...

and well, why doesn mass... have it so that if you are a female with cervical or breast cancer, you can get medicaid, but if you're a man (or women) with a brain tumor, you can just about forget it???



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by Brood
 


Those are not examples of male oppression. Those are opinions and juvenile comments on a web board.


They are not opinions, they are facts. A=B. B=C. Therefore, A=C.

I implore you, oh pinnacle of wisdom, show me the ways in which women are being oppressed in today's society and I'll show you more ways that you would think these exact instances with reversed genders is laughable and "whiny".

Furthermore, do not call me juvenile for stating facts, at least I've actually been listening to the other side of the argument like an adult, what have you been doing?



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 08:08 PM
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Umm you do realize males are xy chromosomes and females are xx right?



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 08:17 PM
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You know I took a break from these threads for a while trying to think of ways to better communicate the hypocracy I see in your posts. And to be completly honest, I can not think of any better way than what I and countless others have tried to do. I too am not sure if you are just blinded by your feelings, your idiology, or mental facilities. I would like to believe that it is just blindess for whatever reason. You have two sons, and would you lilke them to be subjected to everything that is mentioned in this thread? All the examples that you fail to see would you want them to come to you one day and say mom this is how we feel? Would you attack them and claim they are whining? Or is your plan to get them to hate themselves just for the sake they were born male, and not female. Believe me if you are like how you are posting here as you are in real life they will catch that and reflect it on themselves. They are your children so you are free to do whatever you want to in how you raise them, but ask yourself would you like to grow up hating yourself? I know you have been through some bad s_it, as alot of people have, But having a one sided bias because of what you went through is not going to solve anything.

Now for a question:
OK Here is an easy one for you. Do you support females being subjected to selective service? With the possiblity that they could be drafted and die in that draft? Yes or No?



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by rusethorcain
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If I thought this was a serious topic and not chauvinism on parade I might try to come up with something better but being a woman, I am hopelessly stupid and this was the best I could do.



Whoa, how about you treat others' points of view with the same respect you wish to be treated yourself?

'Chauvinism' is used a lot like 'anti-semitism' - it's used as an immediate response to any form of criticism, and it's an attempt to censor and suppress debate,

I do believe that the Zionists fuelled the brand of feminism we got in order to break down society. ( I make a distinction between feminism and equal rights.) Feminism portrayed women as having been 'victims', it inculcated the victim/tyrant mentality. Women were portrayed vociferously as the victims, and every victim needs a tyrant, so the men became the tyrants. In turn, much of feminism became about women adtopting the 'tyrant' stance themselves. In the process, both the 'masculine' and the 'feminine' principles (as in yin/yang) ceased to be valued. Both men and women ceased to value those qualities in themselves and through mass mind manipulation via the MSM and Hollywood, both men and women were reduced to being sexualised and trivialised shadows of their real valuable selves, and the 'solution' to this engineered 'loss of self' made both men and women gradually become slaves to the proposed 'solution', the God of capitalism, of appearances, of 'attractiveness', of 'status', all of which play into the hands and bank accounts of the Zionist corporate and media machines. We have all suffered much as a result.

This, of course, was the Zionist plan, they divided the sexes, caused hostility and conquered them - both of them, and then sold them a plastic solution.









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posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 08:42 PM
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Or the disparity in federal spending researching gender specific health issues which is stacked greatly in the females favor. Or that men can get breast cancer, yet are excluded or stigmatized when they do get it. Meanwhile Prostate kills as many men or more as breast cancer does women but is not funded for research like breast cancer.

Ther are so many things where men are expected to just "man up" and go with the status quo. I for one am tired of it. Do I acknowledge females were treated wrong in the past without a doubt I can say they were, that however does not mean that men should be mistreated now. I was not a part of that generation that did those things, nor have I really benefitted from it. I am not nor have any male priveledge. I am simply a man, father, and husband who sees things wrong and I address them. The same as I would do for a female,



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by rusethorcain
These will get me flamed but they also all have a significant impact on male female relationships. They are tell tales for the sexual climate that is present today. They help explain a serious and dangerous lack of respect for women. All are posted in this thread as well where you may also find additional information on misogyny and more subliminal "hatred of women"...www.abovetopsecret.com...

Roy Brown on misogyny, corruption and the MDG - UN Human Rights Council


Misogyny in Media & Culture


Misoygeny in the Media


Misogyny in Music: A Video Montage



You post these videos as examples of mysogyny, but the women themselves are willingly consenting to participate in what you call mysogyny. To me this is a real abdication of personal responsibility. Women have allowed themselves to become more than ever before trivialised and turned into sex objects and consumer fodder. To blame this all on men is sheer denial of women's role and responsibility in this, and it is hypocritical.
Unless, of course, you are pointing out that in some respects, women can be equally as mysogynistic as men, and as such, their own worst enemies.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984



Originally posted by rusethorcain
So true. Women love to play games. Last night I snagged a ball player without saying a word.
I asked a mutual friend to tell him where he could find me, but not until after I left the bar.
He needs to make the first move. I have already made mine.
It appeared I was filming a karaoke singer but I was really filming him the whole time.
He knew it too. I tried not to get his date in the picture.
We exchanged smiles all evening. We danced next to each other and brushed up against each other, although we were each dancing with other people. They did not know what was going on. Only he and I did.
Electricity. Good to feel it coursing through my veins again. Butterflies in my stomach all the way home.
He was playing the game too. Sparking up a storm. Unfortunately he was with another woman. No rings.
He does not even know it yet but, soon he will be mine.





So, you want people to treat women fairly and with respect, but you didn't treat the 'other woman' in this scenario with either fairness or respect. In fact you showed her no consideration at all. I would even go as far as to say that you considered that woman and her feelings totally irrelevant - any pain you might have caused her, and the pain you clearly intended to cause her, simply grist to the mill in the quest of getting what you want.

Now, if a man had treated you with similar disdain, you would brand him a chauvanist.

I call double standards and hypocrisy par excellence.




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posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 09:30 PM
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Those chicks are mostly hot. Misogyny is how it's spelled by the way. It's easy to figure out how to spell it because it's written a bunch of times in the quote you quoted, which I in turn quoted, not for sake of quoting a quote but for the content of the quote, which is certainly quotable. The truth as I see it is that women are generally oppressed the world over as they have been for eternity. My argument is that the "oppression" is due to men (and to a lesser extent women) not guiding younger generations of men and women in a more amenable fashion.

Case in point: Women who behave like whores get seen as whores. So many women of today are behaving like whores that it leads some to believe that most women are whores. At what percentage of whorish women does this point ring true? 51%? That would technically be most women.

Men who hate women are by definition misogynists. That's what that word means. That means ALL women. Even nuns or fetuses. Grandma too. Is misogyny a real phenomenon? I don't think so. Have people figured out a way to make a buck convincing others that it is real? Definitely.

To bring this thread back around to the topic, which is FEMINISM and not MISOGYNY or MISANDRY. Do I think that feminism is destroying the male/female relationship? Certainly not. Feminism is a word that we take to mean "feminist philosophy" which in turn means "feminine issues are something we'd like to know more about." How can that be a relationship destroyer unless there is something inherent in feminine issues that we don't want to know more about?

What is destroying male/female relationships are males and females. Dear ATS posters. Get a vision check. You're myopic.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 09:32 PM
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A Woman's Rule of Thumb:

If it has tires or testicles, you're going to have trouble with it.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 10:03 PM
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Surrf generalizations do not help anything.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 10:55 PM
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Have you been reading the board? Yes it is people that are ruining the relationship, but why are they ruining it. Because they follow a specific ideology. If these ideologies were not in existence nor found by the people trapped by them, nor codified into law and social customs, we would not be discussing them. people like tater who has been hurt would not fall prey into something that says you are better than them, they're issues mean nothing, etc etc. This holds true with men and misogyny and women with misandry.

In other words if the ideologies were not so powerful they would not have as huge effect as they do. The ideologies were formed because of injustices, both perceived and real. Thes "injustices" turned to bitterness and hate, and results in society and laws reflecting to protect the victim while at the same time making the old perpetrator the victim. It is a cyle that should be stopped and instead of trying to stop it, all that is really happening is one side doesn't want to grant that their counterparts might have a legitimate gripe, just like they used to.



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 12:24 AM
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Feminism is destroying the male and female relationship?
Then why do I have to rescue a 100 pound woman from her abusive boyfriend?
Why do I have to wait for a call telling me he has left the house and will be gone for awhile so I can go and pick up her and her things. She tried to leave before but he wouldn't let her go. Never left her alone.
Won't he be surprised when he gets home and finds her gone?
Another girl living with me was engaged and moved everything she owned to Texas where the fellow changed his mind and gave her 2 days to gather her things and leave. She is staying with me now too.
Both of these women are Philippine women which if you know anything about people you know they are always sweet gentle and typically small women who believe in being subservient to their man.
And look where it got them. Banged up and abused.
Don't worry fellas...I am wising them up.

So do you think it is feminism or is it machismo that ruined these two relationships?
Neither girl was Americanized. Neither was a feminist...in fact quite the opposite.
They held onto old those fashioned (useless and outdated) feminine values and their sweet subservience got them nowhere.
I know more than a few decent, respectable men who would love either one of these women.
We are changing the playing field and changing the rules.



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 12:27 AM
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Great.
Why don't you give your clever little spelling lesson to wcitizen then?
Or learn how to read the posts.



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 12:33 AM
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Furthermore, do not call me juvenile for stating facts, at least I've actually been listening to the other side of the argument like an adult, what have you been doing?


Too funny. Sorry. If there was an instance as you describe above, (like an adult????) I must have missed it. Still, that was a good one!


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posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 12:33 AM
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Originally posted by FortAnthem


And now women are free to use their bodies to titillate men through pornography or pole dancing.


Only now, never in the past?


Originally posted by FortAnthemIn becoming the equals with men, women have, for the most part, had to give up all of the things that made them women in the first place.



Becoming equals? They were more than our equals in the past and are more so now, generally.

Henry Makow is like the Curate's Egg...parts of him are good, but this time he seems to be the bad egg.
What a ridiculous article.



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 12:38 AM
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Case in point: Women who behave like whores get seen as whores. So many women of today are behaving like whores that it leads some to believe that most women are whores. At what percentage of whorish women does this point ring true? 51%? That would technically be most women.



Gosh...This is harsh. Did you have a mother, and where on the list is she?



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 12:41 AM
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Come now,

Everyone knows our mothers were respectable.

It is this new generation of young women that have so much less respect for themselves.



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 12:41 AM
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Using your personal acedote doesn't work. Sorry it goes both ways, both genders commit dv at roughly equal numbers. And the majority is STARTED by women. If you would like and will ACTUALLY read it I will give you the source from that. Plain and simple. How has feminism destroyed relationships in that scenario, by perpetrating that the man is always the perpetrator and the women is always the victim. Which causes men who are victims to be either arrested as the perp, or in the rare case when he is the victim, left with little hope for help, social laughing, etc. On the female side if she is the perp, she will not get the treatment she needs since she her behavior will be excused (he deserved it, he can take it, etc). What happened to your friend sucked, but in no way PROVES your point, it is nothing other than an ancedotal story to ellicit feelings of victimhood and woe is us.

Why is it like this, Oh thats right, gender feminists crammed it down everyones throats, with false stats, lies, and above all else hypocracy.

www.youtube.com...

Why has NOW taken this long to barely admit men can and are victims of dv?


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