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Are Barack Obama’s “Dreams” Ruining America?

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posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 12:59 PM
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"The New World Order will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down...but in the end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal assault." CFR member Richard Gardner, writing in the April l974 issue of the CFRs journal, Foreign Affairs.

www.svpvril.com...

If you really knew anything about the NWO plans then you would know that the president no matter who he is has no power. The people with all the money have all the power. The president is just a puppet and necessary in persuading people to do what the people in charge want us to do.

THAT is why Obama is so dangerous. He has the power to persuade a divided race of people on both sides.




posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by jdub297


"When my tears were finally spent, I felt a calmness wash over me. I felt the circle finally close. I realized that who I was, what I cared about, was no longer just a matter of intellect or obligation, no longer a construct of words. I saw that my life in America--the black life, the white life, the sense of abandonment I'd felt as a boy, the frustration and hope I'd witnessed in Chicago--all of it was connected with this small piece of earth an ocean away, connected by more than the accident of a name or the color of my skin. The pain that I felt was my father's pain. ... I sat at my father's grave and spoke to him through Africa's red soil."

Barack Obama II, "Dreams From My Father"

In this light, everything conservatives intuitively feared seems justified. I would think that many liberals and progressives are still scratching their (collective) heads, as well.





To say that this has people scratching their heads reinforces my opinion that you have severly missinterpreted the meaning of this.

Nothing about this statement says racism to me.

He is expressing his feeling about growing up mixed. He doesn't fit with the black crowd because he is half white and he does not fit in with the white crowd because he is half black. Remember the president is not an old man and neither is he young. I have no idea how old you are but I do know that when Obama was growing up there was much more discrimination to mixed people and interracial dating/marriage -- there was more of it then than there is today.

The pain is his fathers because his mother is white! Dah!



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posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 01:26 PM
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If that's where Obama is coming from then I'm with him. There's NOTHING wrong with being anti-colonial, anti-imperial, anti-plutocracy, anti-autocracy, or even anti-Capitalist.

With that said... it seems these assertions are just speculation on Obama's belief system, but I'm not sure if it can actually be applied. Most left-wing radicals believe him to be another Capitalist/corporate puppet (whether willingly or not)... personally, I largely agree with that assessment but part of me is also on the fence.



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 01:46 PM
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As far as I can tell, Obama's "dreams"--if he has any--are slightly left-of-center. He would like the United States to become more social democratic like Canada and Western Europe. So it was with Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, JFK, Robert Kennedy and LBJ. This is typical of every generational reform cycle in the U.S. over the last century. None of it is new, nor is the hysterical reaction of the Right that it's all "communism" or something like that.

I see Obama as fairly flexible, accommodating and pragmatic, and he also seems to run very scared of the Right wing. Perhaps he's afraid that he'll end up like the Kennedys and Martin Luther King. He's basically a politician and someone who has done well under the system as it exists, but he also knows the ordinary people aren't doing well at all: they've been pushed to the wall in this depression--pushed to desperation.

But do I see him radically changing the system? No, no way. Look at the people he's surrounded himself with: Hillary Clinton, Larry Summers, Ben Bernanke, Tim Geithner--all of them Republicans or "New Democrat" types, not a progressive, leftist or radical in the bunch. This is why I think all of these attacks by Limbaugh, Palin, Fox "News" and the rest are a lot of hot air. Just part of the big dog and pony show that is American politics. All of them are just more blatant than the Dems about that Calvin Coolidge idea that the business of America is business.

In my opinion, Bill Clinton was not too much different from that, either.


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posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 02:00 PM
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By the way, the senior Obama came from one of the most corrupt countries in Africa whose economy had been shaped by colonialism. That meant that the whites owned just about everything and the blacks were pushed off their land or used as a drudge labor force. Even during the Cold War, the U.S. government knew perfectly well thata system like that was no good and would have to be reformed. Even the CIA knew it when it looked hard at all these colonial and semi-colonial economies in Asia, Africa and Latin America.

Even in South Vietnam, the CIA was ALWAYS reporting back on how corrupt and unpopular the government was, and JFK and LBJ were hearing that constantly. That's why they were always pressuring the government of South Vietnam to put land reform in place, just like they had presured for that in South Korea and Japan. They knew they had to knock that old feudal-colonial oligarchy out of place or Communists like Castro and Ho Chi Minh would do it for them. They had to take action or lose the Cold War in these countries, just like they "lost" China and Cuba. They didn't "lose" Taiwan, though, because they sat Gen. Chang down and talked some seriously turkey to him--told him this was how it was going to be, and Chang put land reform and other policies in place.

This is why I find it perfectly believable that the CIA would support young reformers like Obama's father, who they hoped would be able to reform these countries enough so that the common people would not turn to the Communists out of sheer frustration and desperation.

I would also say that Obama and everyone else realizes that the economic policies necesary in the developing world are a far cry from those required in industrialized Western nations. I mean, that's like comparing apples and oranges.

By the way, who do you think really kicked Batista out of Cuba in the first place, betting on Catsro as a young, nationalist reformer? It wasn't the Russians, I can tell you that much.



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 02:01 PM
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Honestly, I couldn't agree with you more with that post. Very well put. The guy isn't as Left as many Conservatives or Obama Haters make him out to be.

The president has good intentions, just got mixed with the wrong crowd (corporations) and believe it or not, he (sadly) has some Right wing policies: He increased the amount of soldiers in Afghanistan to keep the war going, supported off shore drilling UNTIL the Gulf Oil Spill, didn't do much about gay rights in the military, etc.

IMO, the Democratic Party is suppose to be the party that's anti war, pro equality when it comes to gay rights, anti oil, etc. It's as corrupt as the Republican Party now.

There needs to be a true Liberal in office.



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 02:07 PM
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OMG what do you people not understand he is a puppet!!! presidents are seolected not elected, the rockefellers and federal reserve bank put him in office, he does whatever they say or he'll go out like JFK...



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by SeventhSeal
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IMO, the Democratic Party is suppose to be the party that's anti war, pro equality when it comes to gay rights, anti oil, etc. It's as corrupt as the Republican Party now.

There needs to be a true Liberal in office.


So true, I've been saying for ages if you want to see a true liberal you've got to go Europe. The litmus test for "liberalism" in the U.S. seems to be "pro-choice" or "pro gun control".



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 02:59 PM
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So how do you explain turning over the auto industries he bailed out to the unions? Who will the workers negotiate their contracts with??? The bail out for teachers?? That seems to be a pay off for their support. Now as a lot of folks complain about Bush and his cronies getting rich from the wars, but now that is being replaced with various unions getting money handed out to them. Since when did unions become king makers? Obamas political allies made out just fine so far.



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 03:03 PM
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Hhhhm. I'm glad i didn't vote. I've done this for a while now and I sit back and watch people bicker at each other, and watch nothing happen, I see that no matter who is running for election, and no matter what they stand for, and no matter who wins, still, in my lifetime, no one has made any drastic change to our society that has affected MY life in any major way. Whatever Obama is "gonna" acomplish is fine with me. Most of the topics that politicians are dealing with are about money. What we don't think about is how many thousands of dollars go into promoting their political campaign. Obama is a man just sitting in a powerful chair, not the most powerful chair out there mind you, but a powerful one none-the-less.



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 03:27 PM
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It’s not Obama it wasn’t Bush. There was a great transfer of wealth during the speculative oil hikes. The housing industry was just staying afloat and when people started getting laid off the failed mortgage loans tipped them over the edge they were so precariously perched upon. The rest was just disaster control.

Perhaps Bush could have opened the reserves and combated the speculation which led to the collapse. They maintained that a free market would only benefit the US economy, so at the time there was no better investment on earth. If you wanted to make a buck or two your best bet was to buy into oil futures.

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posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 03:45 PM
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Utter drivel. Complete bilge.
President Obama is "marxist" why? Cuz you "conservatives" have said so 500 million times and fervently want the rest of the population to believe that idiotic crap? I have my problems with Obama too, but they have NOTHING in common with the childish complaints of GOP propagandists and the mindless lemmings who follow swallow the nonsense spoonfed to them by wingnut "intellectuals" like Dinesh D'Souza.
Newsflash to tea partiers and bush fans: Obama is to the right of every Democratic president of the past 50 years. What, you think LBJ was more to your liking? And no, LBJ wasn't socialist, either. Yeah, a Democratic congress finally managed to finally get our grossly inefficient healthcare system somewhat reformed, with very little help from Obama and in the face of unanimous repub opposition. This would have been accomplished decades ago and millions of Americans would not have died early and suffered financial disaster if not for republikan/corporate obstructionism.
The thought processes of American "conservatives" make my skin crawl. And after 8 long dark years of the fascistic bush regime during which our country was basically destroyed financially and economically?? You want MORE of that?? President Palin, with "First Dude" Todd advising and maybe Sean Hannity as VP? Sound good?
I'm going to go throw up now. Gad.


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posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by IFA420
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OMG what do you people not understand he is a puppet!!! presidents are seolected not elected, the rockefellers and federal reserve bank put him in office, he does whatever they say or he'll go out like JFK...


Yup more smoke and mirrors my friend. Some of these people even quote NWO and seem to not know enough about it!



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 03:55 PM
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Its sad to see so many people falling for the same things over and over by the same "evil elite" who run this world.
How long is it going to take to see that all the obama bashing is a well planned out agenda to get him out of office? There wasnt this much disrespect with Bush is in his 8 YEARS of office yet there is more for obama in his first. And most of you fail to see why.

Stop buying into the BS!



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by subterranean
Utter drivel. Complete bilge.

Newsflash to teabaggers and bush fans: Obama is to the right of every Democratic president of the past 50 years. What, you think LBJ was more to your liking? And no, LBJ wasn't socialist, either. Yeah, a Democratic congress finally managed to finally get our grossly inefficient healthcare system somewhat reformed, with very little help from Obama and in the face of unanimous repub opposition. This would have been accomplished decades ago and millions of Americans would not have died early and suffered financial disaster if not for republikan/corporate obstructionism.
The thought processes of American "conservatives" make my skin crawl. And after 8 long dark years of the fascistic bush regime during which our country was basically destroyed financially and economically?? You want MORE of that?? President Palin, with "First Dude" Todd advising and maybe Sean Hannity as VP? Sound good?
I'm going to go throw up now. Gad.




The Right wing also hated FDR, Truman, JFK and LBJ, and said exactly the same things about them--word for word. Any changes they wanted to make were always called "Communism".

I think they hated JFK, Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King enough to want them dead: I really do. Even though LBJ hated the Kennedys personally, he certainly continued all their domestic reforms and even got a lot more passed than they did. I think his main problem was always with Robert Kennedy, by the way, who wanted him off the ticket and perhaps even prosecuted. In any case, he said that RFK's candidacy in 1968 was his biggest nightmare, and that he always knew Bobbly would try to take the "throne" away from him.

Well, be that as it may, I still think it was the Right wing that always hated even limited reforms and change so much that it stoops to propaganda wars, impeachment and even assassination threats to stop it. They are the really ruthless element in America politics and society, and they often make the Dems looked frightened and wimpy.



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by Zeta Reticuli
Its sad to see so many people falling for the same things over and over by the same "evil elite" who run this world.
How long is it going to take to see that all the obama bashing is a well planned out agenda to get him out of office? There wasnt this much disrespect with Bush is in his 8 YEARS of office yet there is more for obama in his first. And most of you fail to see why.

Stop buying into the BS!


Although I do not agree with your assessment of Bush-bashing (or lack thereof) your reply reminds me of this guy in this video:




posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 06:34 PM
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Obama's father left when he was TWO. How much of an impact did he have over the toddler's political opinions?


If you'd read the book or the linked essay, you wouldn't need to ask.

In case you are one of the many who have chosen to ignore Obama's own words and the facts of his life, here's a reminder:

[W]e can be doubly sure about his father's influence because those who know Obama well testify to it. His "granny" Sarah Obama (not his real grandmother but one of his grandfather's other wives) told Newsweek, "I look at him and I see all the same things--he has taken everything from his father. The son is realizing everything the father wanted. The dreams of the father are still alive in the son."

www.forbes.com...

Obama's "Dreams From My Father" stresses how the overriding importance his father played in shaping his beliefs and values.

[This is my] record of a personal, interior journey--a boy's search for his father and through that search a workable meaning for his life as a black American." ... "It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself." ... "My father's voice had nevertheless remained untainted, inspiring, rebuking, granting or withholding approval. You do not work hard enough, Barry. You must help in your people's struggle. Wake up, black man!"

Barack Obama II, "Dreams From My Father."

He describes his visit to his father's grave in Kenya:

"When my tears were finally spent, I felt a calmness wash over me. I felt the circle finally close. I realized that who I was, what I cared about, was no longer just a matter of intellect or obligation, no longer a construct of words. I saw that my life in America--the black life, the white life, the sense of abandonment I'd felt as a boy, the frustration and hope I'd witnessed in Chicago--all of it was connected with this small piece of earth an ocean away, connected by more than the accident of a name or the color of my skin. The pain that I felt was my father's pain. ... I sat at my father's grave and spoke to him through Africa's red soil."


Read his own words, objectively consider his actions; the truth is there.



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 06:48 PM
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As several people pointed out, what Obama SAYS and what he DOES are frequently two different things. Let's look at NAFTA. He made a campaign promise to renegotiate NAFTA. In addition, "his" (we know he had a ghost writer) "Dreams" book claims that corporations the wealthy basically exploit the American worker. However, looking at his appointments, and his record, he has does nothing but pay lip service to the damage that NAFTA has does to the American labor market. This entire economic mess comes down to a lack of decent jobs, and NAFTA has destroyed the most high-skilled, high-paying jobs in the United States, replacing them with foreign workers, who work for much lower salaries, and frequently without labor laws. It is very hard for any American worker to compete with slave or semi-slave labor.

Until his completely pushes for either cancellation of NAFTA, or complete renegotiation, his words are as empty as his actions.



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
As several people pointed out, what Obama SAYS and what he DOES are frequently two different things. Let's look at NAFTA. He made a campaign promise to renegotiate NAFTA.

Until his completely pushes for either cancellation of NAFTA, or complete renegotiation, his words are as empty as his actions.


VERY GOOD!!!

This is the best and most legitimate criticism I have seen on this thread...

In fact I think trade is the ONE thing both persuasions can agree upon almost across the board - I think this
point is absolutely vital to the survival of America... Obama supporters need to find a way to hold his feet to the
fire on this one.


CONSERVATIVES - are there ANY of you who would oppose reassessing the notion of free international trade?

ANYONE???

Any LIBERALS???


If so why?



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
As several people pointed out, what Obama SAYS and what he DOES are frequently two different things. Let's look at NAFTA. He made a campaign promise to renegotiate NAFTA.

In fact I think trade is the ONE thing both persuasions can agree upon almost across the board - I think this
point is absolutely vital to the survival of America... Obama supporters need to find a way to hold his feet to the
fire on this one.


CONSERVATIVES - are there ANY of you who would oppose reassessing the notion of free international trade?

ANYONE???

Any LIBERALS???


If so why?



I was never a supporter of "free trade" of the type that was being promoted by Clinton and the rest back in the 1990s--and he olnly got NAFTA and the WTO passed with Republican votes.

I don't say we should go back completely to economic nationalism and isolationism, but even in the 19th Century people realized our industry would not survive if the country were flooded with cheap imports. All the presidents used to understand that, and would never have lowered the tariffs and import restrictions to almost nothing so that American manufacturing would simply be destroyed.

I still can't believe how anyone was dumb enough to believe that was a good idea. We're paying the price for all these very bad free trade/free market policies now, which were already KNOWN to be wrong 100 years ago.



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