reply to post by jdub297
Everyone should of voted for Ron Paul.He has the right idea when it comes to running this world Unlike Mr Obama who has and will continue to run it
into the bankruptcy,poverty ridden world i see not far ahead of us and then blame it on others.More people should have researched all the presidential
candadites before actually voting instead of making a judgement call based on popularity polls.
Are Barack Obama’s “Dreams” Ruining America?, page 3
reply posted on 12-9-2010 @ 10:08 AM by antonia
reply to post by Janky Red
Very true Janky, He wants to look good. I find it laughable when people call him a communist or socialist-They make it plainly obvious they don't know what communism or socialism are when they do it. The Red Scare is a classic boogey man in American politics though. Why? Because people in this country are ignorant as to what it really is. Communism as practiced by the Soviet Union was not what any of the major architects of the movement had in mind. Marx didn't even support what was happening in Russia when he was alive as he didn't support nationalist movements. The again, I actually read Das Kaptial, Not too many people in this country can say they ever did read it. I find it funny when people take digs at Obama in my presence saying "Oh I bet he loved Das Kaptial". I should hope so. If they had ever read it they would discover the book doesn't offer solutions, it merely describes the end result of capitalism. Marx foresaw quite a bit of what has happened in the last few years.
Personally, I abhor those who try to please everyone. You can't. In fact, you shouldn't try to please old-ass people who can't fathom things on this planet have to change. I don't entertain such people. Progress is worth any price you pay for it. When people say "We need to go back...", that's when I stop listening. Americans are famous for being permanent ostriches with their heads in the sand. They will not move until their survival is at stake. Then you have those who won't move period. They'd rather die. Fear controls their life.
The Republicans are playing the old Lee Atwood southern strategy and it's going to bite them in the butt. You are very correct in that the more they push it the further their candidates have to move to the right. To a lot of people on this site, that's great. They believe they can somehow fix this country. Truth is, once the Republicans do get control of Congress (and they will) you won't see much movement. Except maybe in the direction of the ultra-nationalism they love to play these days.
Obama isn't even a real liberal. We don't have those in American. We have people who are slightly left of center. You've got to leave the country to find real "Progressives" (oh those boogey men Beck abhors). This country is going to get left behind while we argue over if Obama hates White people and is a secret Muslim. China is already investing millions in next-generation nuclear power. The rest of the world graduates more scientists than the U.S. does today. China is also leading the way with light rail and infrastructure improvement. They are not going to sit around and argue about garbage. They are just going to do what they have to progress. I'm sure they are the ones who will find an alternative to oil as well.
Very true Janky, He wants to look good. I find it laughable when people call him a communist or socialist-They make it plainly obvious they don't know what communism or socialism are when they do it. The Red Scare is a classic boogey man in American politics though. Why? Because people in this country are ignorant as to what it really is. Communism as practiced by the Soviet Union was not what any of the major architects of the movement had in mind. Marx didn't even support what was happening in Russia when he was alive as he didn't support nationalist movements. The again, I actually read Das Kaptial, Not too many people in this country can say they ever did read it. I find it funny when people take digs at Obama in my presence saying "Oh I bet he loved Das Kaptial". I should hope so. If they had ever read it they would discover the book doesn't offer solutions, it merely describes the end result of capitalism. Marx foresaw quite a bit of what has happened in the last few years.
Personally, I abhor those who try to please everyone. You can't. In fact, you shouldn't try to please old-ass people who can't fathom things on this planet have to change. I don't entertain such people. Progress is worth any price you pay for it. When people say "We need to go back...", that's when I stop listening. Americans are famous for being permanent ostriches with their heads in the sand. They will not move until their survival is at stake. Then you have those who won't move period. They'd rather die. Fear controls their life.
The Republicans are playing the old Lee Atwood southern strategy and it's going to bite them in the butt. You are very correct in that the more they push it the further their candidates have to move to the right. To a lot of people on this site, that's great. They believe they can somehow fix this country. Truth is, once the Republicans do get control of Congress (and they will) you won't see much movement. Except maybe in the direction of the ultra-nationalism they love to play these days.
Obama isn't even a real liberal. We don't have those in American. We have people who are slightly left of center. You've got to leave the country to find real "Progressives" (oh those boogey men Beck abhors). This country is going to get left behind while we argue over if Obama hates White people and is a secret Muslim. China is already investing millions in next-generation nuclear power. The rest of the world graduates more scientists than the U.S. does today. China is also leading the way with light rail and infrastructure improvement. They are not going to sit around and argue about garbage. They are just going to do what they have to progress. I'm sure they are the ones who will find an alternative to oil as well.
edit on 12-9-2010 by antonia because: forgot a word
reply posted on 12-9-2010 @ 10:10 AM by jdub297
reply to post by Janky Red
Well, contrary to some "whisper campaign," the written words of Barack Obama, Sr. and Barack Obama II ring loud and clear.
No hidden agendas in either case, but straightforward proclamations of their desire for the government redistribution of wealth even up to the confiscation of private property and 100% of earned income.
Seems pretty clear that if Obama draws upon the "Dreams From My Father," that dad's message speaks for itself.
deny ignorance
jw
well I can say that the whisper campaign about Obama's origin, religion and the like has had a negative effect on some people I know, the opposite effect many have hoped for. At some point it become ridiculous and it starts turning people off to the idea of hating Obama as it appears contrived and extremely dramatized.
Well, contrary to some "whisper campaign," the written words of Barack Obama, Sr. and Barack Obama II ring loud and clear.
No hidden agendas in either case, but straightforward proclamations of their desire for the government redistribution of wealth even up to the confiscation of private property and 100% of earned income.
Seems pretty clear that if Obama draws upon the "Dreams From My Father," that dad's message speaks for itself.
deny ignorance
jw
reply posted on 12-9-2010 @ 10:20 AM by jdub297
reply to post by Janky Red
In reality, Obama funneled hundreds of billions of dollars to his own set of cronies. He ensconced them in positions of power as his czars and advisors.
I have never been a Bush supporter, even during his gubernatorial campaigns.
Pathetic personal attacks do not change the written aspirations of the threeBarack Obama's:
the Father, the Son we hear in public, and the Son we see in his actions and "dreams."
deny ignorance
jw
For one Obama has not created a war and let his families cronies suck off your tax dollars because he could, Obama has not sat around while his cabinet members and family friends get rich off $5.50 gasoline and various contracts,,, you could have tuned in, but this stuff did not bother you then did it?
In reality, Obama funneled hundreds of billions of dollars to his own set of cronies. He ensconced them in positions of power as his czars and advisors.
I have never been a Bush supporter, even during his gubernatorial campaigns.
Pathetic personal attacks do not change the written aspirations of the threeBarack Obama's:
the Father, the Son we hear in public, and the Son we see in his actions and "dreams."
deny ignorance
jw
reply posted on 12-9-2010 @ 10:42 AM by jdub297
reply to post by mythatsabigprobe
When 25% of market volume on any given day is driven by government-owned or controlled stocks such as CITI and BofA, the stock market is no longer an accurate barometer of anything except government desperation for phony "numbers" to point to,regardless of their authenticity. When Treasury borrowing is propped up by Fed intervention, that side of the market no longer reflects a "free market." Many people are taken in by such chicanery to their detriment.
There has been no net increase in manufacturing since inventories were depleted, then replenished to meet demand. There is no demand to support any make-believe "steady increase in manufacturing."
Retailers can't even sustain "back-to-school" sales, much less day-to-day traffic. There is no steady increase in retail sales.
Home sales? You've got to be kidding! Existing home sales are plummeting, new home sales are at the lowest level ever measured, and foreclosures will top 1 million this year; there is a 12 to 16-month backlog of housing inventory when it has generally been 6 to 7 months in the past!
Auto sales? Even after GM grants the biggest incentives ever, its sales lag everyone else.
If you honestly believe that " things have been improving steadily," then I'd hate to see what "problems" are.
Bottom line, both Obama's have laid out their "dreams" for anyone to see. Junior can't go back and erase what's been published, so he acts as if he and his father never said what they truly believe. If that's what you want as well, then you're going to get exactly what you asked for.
According to most Americans, they want no such thing.
they can see the reality now. 60% plus market rebound, record corporate profits, record low taxes, steady drop in new unemployment, steady increase in manufacturing, retail sales, home sales, auto sales, etc. The economy's not 'fixed' by a long shot, but things have been improving steadily since early 2009 and all the conservatives have to go on is the scary stuff.
When 25% of market volume on any given day is driven by government-owned or controlled stocks such as CITI and BofA, the stock market is no longer an accurate barometer of anything except government desperation for phony "numbers" to point to,regardless of their authenticity. When Treasury borrowing is propped up by Fed intervention, that side of the market no longer reflects a "free market." Many people are taken in by such chicanery to their detriment.
There has been no net increase in manufacturing since inventories were depleted, then replenished to meet demand. There is no demand to support any make-believe "steady increase in manufacturing."
Retailers can't even sustain "back-to-school" sales, much less day-to-day traffic. There is no steady increase in retail sales.
Home sales? You've got to be kidding! Existing home sales are plummeting, new home sales are at the lowest level ever measured, and foreclosures will top 1 million this year; there is a 12 to 16-month backlog of housing inventory when it has generally been 6 to 7 months in the past!
Auto sales? Even after GM grants the biggest incentives ever, its sales lag everyone else.
If you honestly believe that " things have been improving steadily," then I'd hate to see what "problems" are.
Bottom line, both Obama's have laid out their "dreams" for anyone to see. Junior can't go back and erase what's been published, so he acts as if he and his father never said what they truly believe. If that's what you want as well, then you're going to get exactly what you asked for.
According to most Americans, they want no such thing.
reply posted on 12-9-2010 @ 10:47 AM by NeverApologize
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
You claim to be all of these yet you voted and got swept up in Obama-mania? You contradict yourself kind Sir.
So you are an Independent then, correct? Or are you one who does not agree with labels?
You are correct. I agree. Still, blaming someone ALL THE TIME, really starts to make one sound like a whiner. Don't you think?
Listen, I am not here to flame you or attack you in any way. I enjoy your views and don't disagree with all you say. I appreciate you keeping it civil. So many are un-able to do this. I tip my hat and extend my hand.
Yeah, I'm your average gun-toting, close-the-borders, individual liberties and Constitutionalist liberal!
You claim to be all of these yet you voted and got swept up in Obama-mania? You contradict yourself kind Sir.
So you are an Independent then, correct? Or are you one who does not agree with labels?
I'm not JUST pointing fingers. What Bush did to this country in eight years cannot be "fixed" in 2 years, especially with the CONSTANT barrage of interference, obstruction and intestinal blockage that defines the current Republican party.
You are correct. I agree. Still, blaming someone ALL THE TIME, really starts to make one sound like a whiner. Don't you think?
Listen, I am not here to flame you or attack you in any way. I enjoy your views and don't disagree with all you say. I appreciate you keeping it civil. So many are un-able to do this. I tip my hat and extend my hand.
reply posted on 12-9-2010 @ 10:56 AM by jdub297
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
You get full credit for actually answering the question posed in the OP. Although I think that his dreams are the antithesis of "the American Dream," I understand that many of his supporters understood what he intended, and really do want to see the government and country he envisions.
OK, I'll grant that maybe you were listening; but were HEARING, were you looking behind the rhetoric, to see what he REALLY wanted? Your reference to "his pragmatic approach," tells me you did not.
I do not know of anyone, left or right, who would say that Obama's "approach" has been anything close to pragmatic.
Barack Obama's dreams are not ruining America.
You get full credit for actually answering the question posed in the OP. Although I think that his dreams are the antithesis of "the American Dream," I understand that many of his supporters understood what he intended, and really do want to see the government and country he envisions.
I was listening! I didn't get caught up in the frenzy of "change and hope" as many did. I listened to his pragmatic approach and knew that it wasn't going to be all fixed in 2 years.
OK, I'll grant that maybe you were listening; but were HEARING, were you looking behind the rhetoric, to see what he REALLY wanted? Your reference to "his pragmatic approach," tells me you did not.
I do not know of anyone, left or right, who would say that Obama's "approach" has been anything close to pragmatic.
reply posted on 12-9-2010 @ 11:01 AM by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by NeverApologize
You claim to be all of these yet you voted and got swept up in Obama-mania? You contradict yourself kind Sir.
So you are an Independent then, correct? Or are you one who does not agree with labels?
I did not "get swept up" in anything. I answered that accusation in my first post in this thread. I did not contradict myself. I am not an independent. I have never been a member of ANY political party and have voted all across the political spectrum.
You are correct. I agree. Still, blaming someone ALL THE TIME, really starts to make one sound like a whiner. Don't you think?
I rarely bring up Bush's name these days, but I felt it appropriate, considering the subject of the thread. And no, I don't think blaming the guilty party is whining. Obama is responsible for what he does in his presidency, but not what happened before. I actually think the people who are blaming Obama for the state of the country (the economy, wars, corporate ownership) are the whiners.
There's plenty to blame Obama for, but this ain't
it.
I tip my hat and extend my hand.
Likewise.
reply posted on 12-9-2010 @ 12:43 PM by Janky Red
Originally posted by ColeYounger
reply to post by NeverApologize
You summed it up in one statement: "He makes it obvious that it is not in his interest to listen to the will of the people. His way or the highway."
DDD
That's Bush
Obama is, let me try to please everyone
you guys must read Obama comic books
Lets pretend to stick are fingers in our ears for a decade!
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