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posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 01:20 PM
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The following post is from my radio show I did yesterday!

For many the continuing questions about 9/11 are an affront to the dignity of those that lost their lives on that fateful day. To others, they represent the very reason America fought for independence!

Anyone who questions the official version of events is often called a truther, which is meant as a slight on the intelligence of the individual. To those that do not question the events of 9/11 I give you a quote from a man who will go down in history as a very special person; along with Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Mother Teresa, JFK, Nelson Mandela and many others. Demond Tutu's quote is as follows:

"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." - In other words, failing to question something that is so obviously false, is effectively supporting those that committed the crime!

This show is dedicated to the memory and the search for the truth, for those, whos lives were cut short on the 11th September 2001.

# Total number killed in attacks: 2,977

# Number of firefighters and paramedics killed: 343

# Number of NYPD officers: 23

# Number of Port Authority police officers: 37

3 Number of people injured: 6000

I have always had a life philosophy of 'Learn everything, believe nothing and question everything'. That way no one can manipulate you into a situation if you constantly question everything you are told. As I have shown on many subjects, knowledge is an evolving creature, which every day disproves something that yesterday was FACT. Point in question "Rapid pole shift". Only a few months ago leading NASA scientists dismissed the subject as fantasy, yet as I reported on Tuesday there are now two proven periods of a pole shift within a five year period.

So how does this relate to 9/11? The government through Federal Emergency Management Agency (F.E.M.A) and National Institute of Standards and Technology (N.I.S.T) provided reports that took three years to compile and cost millions of dollars.

These reports were put together by government organisations that claim to be scientific, yet they refuse to release any of the modelling data sets that were used to to explain away the collapse of the twin towers and WTC7.

In science you have to be able to show evidence of a theory that can be reproduced by other peer scientists, before a theory is accepted. If you do not, then the theory is regarded as Junk Science.

WHY WILL THE GOVERNMENT NOT RELEASE THE DATA SETS FOR PEER REVIEW? - If the data clearly shows that the planes brought down the buildings because of fire and structural damage, which they claim; there is absolutely no reason not to release them! Failing to do so reduces their science to Junk Science.

We now have a federal agency showing disdain for the Freedom of Information Act. Dr. Patrick Gallagher, Director of National Institute for Standards and Technology, denied a request from structural engineer Ronald Brookman, who sought detailed structural analysis information gathered by NIST when they determined the cause of the World Trade Centre Building 7 collapse. Gallagher's stated reason for denial was that releasing it "might jeopardize public safety." How would providing this information jeopardise public safety? unless of course it proves they are lying!

President Obama embraced transparency and openness in government on day one of his new administration. Gallagher issued this determination on July 9, 2009, more than five months later, the exact opposite of openness in government. What is the public to make of this?

And where is Congress? Not one member of Congress has raised a single word of concern. Does Congress no longer have oversight responsibility? Are you OK with the authorities thumbing their noses at you?

let's ignore the fact the government will not provide the evidence they say they have, and look at some of the facts that keep the truther's fuming!

Before we look at September 11th though, lets look at the 10th!

On September 10, 2001, Donald Rumsfeld announced that an estimated $2.3 Trillion in Pentagon spending was missing and unaccounted for from the Pentagon. One day later, on 9/11, the story also disappeared, along with any semblances of governmental accountability and journalistic integrity.

In the wake of 9/11 America was a traumatized nation where asking difficult questions was often perceived as unpatriotic and equated with disloyalty.

Forget the fact that $2.3 Trillion equals the GDP of Italy. Forget that the military only spent an estimated $311 billion in the year 2000 and that approximately 7.5 times that amount had disappeared. We were at war the very next day on 9/11 and that was all that mattered.

That was the power of 9/11.

In the years that followed it appeared that no lie was too big, no claim too outrageous, no initiative too insane to trigger an appropriate response from either the media or the public. Accountability was replaced with blind nationalism and comforting platitudes. It is that mind set that must now be reversed!

So the first questions that need answering are:

G.W. Bush claimed to have been waiting to go into the school when we saw a TV showing the plane hitting the first building. Easy mistake to make, on the day the only TV footage was of the second plane hitting. The government however released information stating the G.W.Bush was informed about the attack during his classroom encounter with the children, which we have all seen on many reports, where he looks dumbfounded.

With this mix up you would have thought they would have GW ensure he got the info right for the next time he was interviewed, but for a second time he said the same thing. The only footage of the first plane hitting was released later, after the private footage taken from a Fire crew was handed in.

Lets just put his comments down to him having a bad day.



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The following video shows the same flight UA 175 which hit the South Tower taking two totally different approaches to the tower. HOW is it possible that two different news stations show the same plane taking totally different approaches to the South tower? One or both of the stations were using doctored footage that was being shown as live coverage! Why, How and Who did this? - QUESTION NEVER ANSWERED BY THE GOVERNMENT!

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There are many amateur videos that were handed in after 9/11. Four of the main videos released cover the same time frame and geographical area. However, the audio tracks are not the same, even though they are shot in the same area. Again more video footage that has been tampered with. WHY? The government has never addressed these anomalies either.

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The Hi-jackers - The full list of the 9/11 hijackers names was released on 9/14/01. Below are the nineteen men identified on the FBI website as the hijackers.

Seven of the men have subsequently been confirmed as being alive.

Hijacking suspects
Flight 175: Marwan Al-Shehhi, Fayez Ahmed, Mohald Alshehri, Hamza Alghamdi and Ahmed Alghamdi
Flight 11: Waleed M Alshehri, Wail Alshehri, Mohamed Atta, Abdulaziz Alomari and Satam Al Suqami
Flight 77: Khalid Al-Midhar, Majed Moqed, Nawaq Alhamzi, Salem Alhamzi and Hani Hanjour
Flight 93: Ahmed Alhaznawi, Ahmed Alnami, Ziad Jarrahi and Saeed Alghamdi

Transcript: Ashcroft Briefs on Terrorist Investigation September 13 2001

QUESTION: About the hijackers, were they ticketed passengers? If not, do you know how they got on the planes?

FBI DIRECTOR ROBERT MUELLER: Yes, they were ticketed passengers.

ASHCROFT: To our best estimate and our best knowledge given the information at this time, on the four planes that crashed was at least 18. Unless contradicted by evidence, which we wouldn't anticipate, two planes had five hijackers and two other planes had four hijackers each. American Airlines 77, Dulles to Los Angeles [had] four hijackers.

On Sepember 14 it was revealed by the FBI that there was another hijacker on Flight 77 - Hani Hanjour.

A few days later, it was reported that Hanjour's name was not on the passenger manifest of Flight 77 because he may not have had a ticket.

* How was Hanjour able to board the plane if he didn't have his name on the manifest or a ticket?

* If Hanjour's name wasn't on the manifest and he didn't have a ticket there can be no record whatsoever of Hanjour boarding Flight 77, so how did the FBI know he was on the plane?

* If seven of the named men are still alive, WHO was on the planes?

* The biggest question though is: Was Hanjour's name added to the hijackers when it was realised that none of the original list of Flight 77 hijackers were pilots?

So we know the men who hijacked the 9/11 aeroplanes were using stolen identities, which means we don't know who they were or who they worked for. We can't, it's impossible.

Now, people who are intending to commit suicide normally don't worry about whether anyone knows their real name, and it is here that some other odd aspects of this case take on a new meaning.

We are told that the group that planned and carried out the hijackings and subsequent attack on the World Trade Towers were highly trained experts, with knowledge of how to steal identities, forge fake IDs.

Yet at the same time, we are being told that these same hijackers spent the night before the attack getting drunk in bars, making noise, screaming insults at the "infidels", and doing everything they could to attract attention to themselves.

They used the credit cards issued in their stolen names, allowed their driver's licenses with the stolen names to be photocopied, and used public library computers to send emails back and forth using their stolen names, sent unencrypted messages about their plans to steal aircraft and crash them into buildings, then decorated their apartments with absurdly obvious props such as a crop dusting manual.

HANG ON! If they were using unencrypted email accounts, why did the NSA/CIA not pick this up and do something about it? They have a multi-hundred billion dollar budget both from their overseen accounts as well as off the book budgets yet can't pick up on a few emails.

In short, these men did everything they could to make sure everyone knew who they were, or more to the point, who they were pretending to be.

Because the IDs used by the hijackers were phony, we cannot know who they really were or who they really worked for. But what is apparent is that those who planned the hijackings and the 9/11 attacks went out of their way to leave plenty of clues pointing to citizens of middle eastern Arab nations.

We don't know who planned or carried out the 9/11 attacks, but we do know WHO they wanted us to think they were.

Pilots for 9/11 truth - Organization of professional pilots seeking the truth about 9/11

National Transportation Safety Board claim flights:

American airlines flight 11 (Boeing 767-200) hit the North Tower
United flight 175 (Boeing 767-200) hit the South Tower

Government reports black box recorders not found, yet a worker called Demasi claimed he was tasked with finding the black box recorders and found three of the four units, which seems to be confirmed by reports from another worker called Balone that he also saw one of them.

Dave Lindorf reported a source at the NTSB who claimed the boxes were found and given to them for analysis. These black boxes are designed to withstand 3400g and 1100 Celsius or 2012 degrees Fahrenheit.

RADAR:

The NTSB radar ASW operating in mode C showed:

"aircraft speed shown ASW - during the descent from 12,000 to 6000 ft the aircraft ground speed remained between 500 - 520 knots."

"The aircraft made its final descent to 1000 feet, it accelerated and impacted the World Trade Centre tower #2 at approximately 510 knots ground speed." - report by Daniel R Bower - Senior Aerospace Engineer

This is VERY interesting especially as according to Boeing the maximum operating velocity of the 767-200 is 360 KNOTS or .86 MACH

Egypt Air 990 - reached .99 Mach - this is used to support the governments report, HOWEVER this speed by AE990 was achieved at 22,000. At 22,000 the air density is vastly lower, which is why planes fly at a high altitude.

EAS - equivalent air speed - is defined as the speed at sea level that would produce the same dynamic pressure as the airspeed at altitude while flying.

In English, this means to create the same pressure on the plane when it flies at altitude but at sea level.

MAX operating = .86 Mach = 522 knots 22,000 feet, this gives us an E.A.S of just 369 knots at sea level some 151 Knots slower that the NTSB say the planes actually achieved!

NTSB stated that they checked the speed of 520 knots at sea level in a flight simulator; but this equates to 805 knots at 22,000 feet !!!

Apparently the NTSB think the 767-200 is capable of super sonic flight.

The EA990 reached a maximum speed of .99 MACH at 22,000 feet which is 602 knots before the airframe disintegrated, the E.A.S though, is only 425 Knots at sea level before the 767 will literally fall apart, so how did UA175 reach NTSB quoted speeds of 520 KNOTS without falling to pieces? Especially considering the 420 Knots is the speed Boeing state will lead to air frame failure at sea level!

NTSB supporters claim the airspeed was increased due to tail winds, problem is that winds on that day were head on! and would have actually slowed them down and required even more power!

American airlines flight77 which was the 757 that supposedly hit the pentagon also exceeded its maximum speed!

CONCLUSION either the data the NTSB is giving DELIBERATELY FALSE or the planes that hit the Towers and the Pentagon were not commercial airliners.

Commander Ralph Kolstad - 23,000 hours on 757 and 767's, 20 years in the US NAVY, Twice Top Gun - says it is physically impossible for commercial planes to have reached the speeds reported on radar by the NTSB.

Ross Aimer actually clocked hours on the planes we used - N591UA (U93) and N612UA (U175) - Impossible to get these planes to that speed. You could not even get Concorde to fly at 510 knots at sea level!

Controlling a 767-200

The only terrorist on board was Hanhi Hanjula who was refused permission to rent a Cessna 172 single engined prop aircraft, as he was unable to control it at 65 Knots. Yet we are to believe he could fly a 767 at impossible speed into a 208 foot target; which experienced pilots with thousands of hours flight time were unable to do unless they reduced their airspeed to landing speeds of around 124 MPH. Only after 20 or so attempts did these experienced pilots manage to hit one of the Towers in a Boeing simulator! this was done by Dan Gevados FAA check airman who flight test pilots for airlines.

If the guys flying these planes every single day could not hit the World Trade Towers after multiple attempts without reducing their speed around 124 knots, there is NO WAY that a non commercial pilot could have done so at 520 knots!

THESE DISCREPANCIES HAVE NEVER BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE GOVERNMENT!

What caused building 7 to collapse? - HUGE RESOURCE ON WTC7

Building 7 was not hit by any plane nor did it fall as a result of the collapse of the twin towers. The collapse happened around 5pm that day.

Building 7 was five times as tall as it was deep. To bring this building down into its footprint required that all 58 perimeter columns and 25 core columns be destroyed simultaneously.

Any asymmetry in damage would cause asymmetric collapse: the building would topple.

No combination of rubble impact damage, fires, or fuel tank explosions could have destroyed all columns simultaneously, as required to cause a vertical collapse.

Only controlled demolitions have achieved vertical collapses of upright steel structures in the entire history of high rise construction!

Building 7 is the smoking gun, why, because it is impossible for a building that has been hit by rubble impact with sporadic fires as well as a heating oil explosion to collpase into its foot print. Under these conditions any collpase would have been seen as the building collapsing on the face which was hit by parts of the twin towers which was also where most of the fires were.

Not only did Building 7 fall as if shattered by controlled demolition; it emitted smoke like other buildings being demolished. The dusty smoke emerged across the north façade, in areas not affected by fire. Some pieces of steel showed rapid oxidation, inter granular melting, and sulphur residues consistent with Thermite explosives.

Fires have never succeeded in damaging a single column in a steel-frame high rise.

The straight-down collapse of Building 7 required that all of its columns be destroyed simultaneously.

Furthermore fires in Building 7 were not even severe or widespread.

Building 7 was in the immediate vicinity of the mass murder in Lower Manhattan on 9/11/01.
It likely contained evidence pertinent to an investigation of that crime.

The evidence that Building 7 was deliberately demolished is overwhelming. The collapse was complete in 6.5 seconds. Free-fall time from Building 7's roof is 5.96 seconds. That means the entire building only provided resistance of 0.54 seconds! This is simply impossible outside of a controlled demolition.

The 47-story tower was converted into a pile of rubble lying almost entirely within its footprint. The rubble pile was less than 3 stories high. The fall visibly damaged only one adjacent building. Taking a building down into its footprint is the objective of controlled demolition. It does not happen by luck or accident.

History provides numerous examples of steel-frame high-rise buildings ravaged by severe fires.

* 1991 One Meridian Plaza fire in Philadelphia:
Raged for 18 hours
Gutted 8 floors of the 38-floor building

* 1988 First Interstate Bank Building fire in Los Angeles:
Burned out of control for 3-1/2 hours
Gutted 4 floors of the 64-floor tower

The Los Angeles fire was described as producing "no damage to the main structural members."

The total collapse of Building 7 is officially blamed on fires. This would be the first case in history in which fires alone were blamed for the total destruction of a steel-framed high-rise.

The fires in Building 7 were not even severe:

* Limited to isolated regions of two floors.
* No broken glass on north side.
* Puny compared to other building fires as described above.

FEMA was entrusted to investigate the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings. It did so with a mere $600,000.

FEMA functioned to make sure that there was no real investigation. FEMA assembled a volunteer team of investigators. They were not allowed access to Ground Zero. They could not figure out what made Building 7 collapse. The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Further research, investigation, and analyses are needed to resolve this issue. This will be difficult because of the destruction of evidence.

The structural steel was key to any real investigation. It was removed from the site and shipped to India and China. Few pieces were ever inspected.

There was no excuse for the rapid undocumented excavation of the site:

- No victims were believed buried there.
- Adjacent roads could be cleared without disturbing it.

Summary of Building 7:

WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an aeroplane, exhibited all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives:

1. Rapid onset of "collapse"

2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a second before the building's destruction

3.Symmetrical "structural failure" -- through the path of greatest resistance -- at free-fall acceleration

4. Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint

5. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds

6. Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional

7. Fore-knowledge of "collapse" by media, NYPD, FDNY

In the the aftermath of WTC7's destruction, strong evidence of demolition using incendary devices was discovered:

8. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples

9. Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly-qualified witnesses

10. Chemical signature of thermite (high tech incendiary) found in solidified molten metal, and dust samples

WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.

1. Slow onset with large visible deformations

2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires)

3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel

4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never "collapsed".

Twin towers

the Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all of the characteristics of destruction by explosives:

1. Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration
2. Improbable symmetry of debris distribution
3. Extremely rapid onset of destruction
4. Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes
5. Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally
6. Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking
7. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
8. 1200-foot-dia. debris field: no "pancaked" floors found
9. Isolated explosive ejections 20 – 40 stories below demolition front
10. Total building destruction: dismemberment of steel frame
11. Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises
12. Evidence of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples
13. Evidence of explosives found in dust samples
14. No precedent for steel-framed high-rise collapse due to fire

And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.

1. Slow onset with large visible deformations
2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never “collapsed”

Explosives Found in World Trade Center Dust

The scientific paper Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe conclusively shows the presence of unignited aluminothermic explosives in dust samples from the Twin Towers, whose chemical signature matches previously documented aluminothermic residues found in the same dust samples - LINK

News reports they don't want repeated - CNN no sign of a plane in Pentagon explosion (NO WRECKAGE AT ALL) - FOX news No plane wreckage in Pennsylvania hole just a hole! (NO PLANE WRECKAGE AT ALL, NO BODIES EITHER)



Mysterious Deaths of 9/11 Witnesses



9/11 Key Witness Murdered? (Barry Jennings R.I.P.)



Fox news reporter states that the second plane had no windows and a circular logo!



The Zionist connection

The people in power around the WTC

BBC reporter says MOSSAD did 9/11 and Iran does not want a bomb



The Military KNOWS Israeli AGENTS did 911



Democracy NOW - Why some israelis seen cheering on 9/11 in NYC


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posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 01:38 PM
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This is a great thread!! Tons of information that backs the 911Truth Movement. Everyone NEEDS to read this, and open their eyes to what our beloved government has been doing to us for the past several decades.

What kind of government places a large number of people in jail for drug violations when Afghainstan is allowed to be one of the largest drug suppliers to the American People?! WTF?!

It is know FACT that two weeks after 9/11 bin Ladin released a statement saying he did not plan, or even condone the 9/11 attack, and the FBI website doesnt even list 9/11 as a crime that he is wanted for. Saddam had NO connections to terrorism, and did not possess ANY WMD's... 9/11 was either allowed to happen, or constructed by corps(w/ Intelligence ties) only to get public support for an invasion into countries with wanted natural resources.

We have MORE questions with the 9/11 attacks then we have answers.... The Twin Towers were built to take 3 757 planes. FEMA actually stated that the WTC7 Building collapse was from fire alone (1st time in history). The Pentagon has REFUSED to release camera footage of the attack on their building. Members of the 9/11 Commission has gone public stating that they were denied critical information, and some actually said that the investigation was a "national scandel" and a "coverup."

We NEED a independant investigation NOW!!! If the government didnt do anything wrong, then why would they deny an honest investigation?!



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 01:42 PM
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lots of info there fair play!!
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posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 02:59 PM
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This is a wonderful collection of factoid points, and well laid out. Thanks. I hadn't known that Hanjour's name was late to the list. That's pretty striking, nd yes, how would they have been able to add it to the list if it wasn't on the passenger list in the first place. Debunkers yell "If this was a corporate black-ops false-flag, then where's the evidence?" It's funny. There's so much evidence that it's almost too sloppy a hit, but then if you look at what then happened in Iraq, this gang of idiots weren't all that precise in their planning there either.

Just like all big corporate projects. Impacting years while planning in 3 month intervals. Typical corporate idiocy.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 04:18 PM
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Great work!
Loads of research has been done, which will save loads of people having to go through the trouble of looking all this stuff up.
You`ll get the usual debunkers ...... but they`d do that even if the truth came out in court.
Thanks for the hard work!



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 12:41 AM
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Thank you guys, It is a work in progress! and yes it did take a lot of time but it will be worth it in the end!

Only surprised that it got so few views considering it is 9/11! I guess the energy people had to make America a free country really has gone.




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