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Fla. pastor says his church will never burn Quran

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posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 07:54 AM
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Well, looks like he's done wih it.....though I doubt Phelps and Taylor are. So, do you believe he only did it to show how violent the muslims are, did the government stop him, what are your thoughts? I think it was a combination of alot of things that was an eye opening experience for the world. We discovered America will be held hostage by a bunch of 7th century savages, our government is totally ineffective and unwilling to stand up for the American people it was elected to serve, the media controls the world, and the American government is still willing to sacrifice rights of citizens to appease whomever is upset with us..........all in all a very eye opening thought altering experience.








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posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 08:45 AM
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Well, he proved his point. If it truly was the religion of peace no one would fear terrorist attacks for burning a Qu'ran. Not even the moderates dare to decry this barbarianism for fear of their own safety.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 08:48 AM
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Someone in the gov't got to him. He was probably threatened and his free speech was taken away.
Of course .. we'll never get the facts to prove it.
If this really was a mandate from God
it would have gone through as directed.
But the point is proven ... Islam is not a religion of peace. Look at all the yahoos on the other side of the planet rioting
because some guy here wants to burn a book in front of 30 people in his church.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 08:52 AM
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If he'd have wanted to burn a book in front of 30 people he'd have done so and we'd have never even heard about the guy. Last time I checked burning a book didn't require alerting the media. It only required a match and a hibachi grill.

The guy got exactly what he wanted... Fame (or infamy) and his fifteen minutes in the spotlight.


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posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 08:57 AM
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He was out of line as a leader of a parish. We get up in arms when a pro sports player gets drunk, and demand recourse, but nothing when people who lead others act like children and deminish our credibility as a nation.


eta: I would love to debate this guy, and make him feel like the ignorant person he is.


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posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 08:59 AM
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How true, what i did find most telling though was our own governments response, and the selling out of our constituion to appease people over this. It wasn't a partisan thing either, both sides were willing to violate the constitution just to make it all better.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
But the point is proven ... Islam is not a religion of peace. Look at all the yahoos on the other side of the planet rioting


His "point" is only proven to those who make broad sweeping assumptions based on the actions of a minority. I certainly wouldn't agree with someone basing their views of Christianity on the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church. Likewise, it's not wise to make broad sweeping assumptions about Islam based on a minority group of fanatics.


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posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 09:50 AM
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Um, no. Phelps has how many followers in his congrgation? Not even close to the same comparisson, just based upon the numbers of muzzies protesting in one place yesterday. Seems only the muzzies get to generalize and defend their "faith", all others are disallowed. Nope, this preacher had every right to do this and if you want to be upset with anyone, be upset with the MSM for fanning the flames, be mad at religious leaders world wide who made his a big deal, be mad at world leaders who suck their noses in it, and most important of all, be mad at the American government, both sides, for a whole sale sell out of our constitution and a further empowering of our enemies by their cowardous actions.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by adifferentbreed
Um, no. Phelps has how many followers in his congrgation? Not even close to the same comparisson, just based upon the numbers of muzzies protesting in one place yesterday.


Um, yes. Phelps and those who support him are a small minority just like the protesters are a small minority of the over a billion Muslims worldwide.


Originally posted by adifferentbreed
Seems only the muzzies get to generalize and defend their "faith", all others are disallowed.


You seem to be confusing the notions of defense and offense. Jones' plan was offensive, not defensive. It was designed specifically to offend.


Originally posted by adifferentbreed
Nope, this preacher had every right to do this


Yes he did, and still does. He also has the right not to continue with his ill conceived plan, and he's chosen to do the responsible thing by exercising that right.


Originally posted by adifferentbreed
if you want to be upset with anyone, be upset with the MSM for fanning the flames, be mad at religious leaders world wide who made his a big deal, be mad at world leaders who suck their noses in it


I wholeheartedly agree.



Originally posted by adifferentbreed
be mad at the American government, both sides, for a whole sale sell out of our constitution and a further empowering of our enemies by their cowardous actions.


Sorry, I was with ya up until there, but ya lost me. Jones has the right to cancel the event as well, and there's no "selling out our constitution" in that.

Feel free to talk to me about "selling out our constitution" if/when Jones is ever arrested for expressing his first amendment rights, then your stance may have a leg to stand on.


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posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 10:33 AM
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I find it truly a shame that if someone wants to exercise their 1st Amendment Rights, that they can be silenced from doing so because of threats of terrorist attacks. So every time that the Muslim fundamentalist opposes something that an American is doing, we should cower in the corner for fear that they might attack us?
They got what they wanted on 9-11, Americans living in fear, so much so that they will sit down and shut up when the terrorists tell them to. Where did our freedoms go?



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 11:51 AM
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Ummm, yeah, Pat Buchanan said yesterday that should Jones continue, Obama should have him arrested, or at least detained until he understood he couldn't do this, the Dems agreed........see when you advocate stifling someones first amendmnet right just to appease a group threatening the US it speaks volumes.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by adifferentbreed
Ummm, yeah, Pat Buchanan said yesterday that should Jones continue, Obama should have him arrested, or at least detained until he understood he couldn't do this, the Dems agreed....


First off, Pat Buchanan is a writer, and political commentator with no effectual authority. He's a republican that repents no one but himself (holds no elected office). If you dislike his beliefs regarding curtailing American rights then I'd strongly suggest avoiding that little box next to his name should he ever run for elected office again.

Second, "Dems agreed"? Really? What "Dems" agreed? Certainly not all "Dems". That's a pretty broad sweeping statement without any supporting evidence; however, if you can find any specific evidence of a "Dem" agreeing, then I'd suggest the same advice I gave in regards to Buchanan... avoid that little box next to his/her name should he/she ever run for an elected office.


Originally posted by adifferentbreed
....see when you advocate stifling someones first amendmnet right just to appease a group threatening the US it speaks volumes.


Yes it does, although the given qualifiers are irrelevant. You could have just as easily said "when you advocate stifling someones rights it speaks volumes", and rest assured that Pat Buchanan will never receive a nod from this voter.


All that said; Pat Buchanan has no power over Jones' rights, or the denial of them. Jones had, and still has the right to burn the book; however, Terry Jones, told NBC on Saturday that "we feel that God is telling us to stop" so you may need to direct your "stifling American rights" argument towards the big guy upstairs...


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posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 01:45 PM
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Just donated money for the NYC Muslim community center NEAR ground zero to balance out the actions of this ridiculous bigot



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 01:59 PM
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I think it is really odd that this pastor is so determined to burn the koran one day and then the next he says his church will never burn a koran. I think someone got to him



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 02:09 PM
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Good for you, you have a right to fund terrorists too, hell why not our government does it on a daily basis. Hell, they not only fund them, they agree with them and try and strip our rights so as to appease the little monsters.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by adifferentbreed
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Good for you, you have a right to fund terrorists too, hell why not our government does it on a daily basis. Hell, they not only fund them, they agree with them and try and strip our rights so as to appease the little monsters.


If the people at that community center were terrorists you'd have a point...in reality their not though, so it just shows what a bigot you are



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 02:17 PM
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Sticks and stones.....hell the US is helping fund terror everyday around the world, glad to see you could add more, although your tax dollars are already used for it, so I guess you payed twice. Since when is it only Americans like myself that are bigots, I'm not the one burning thing shouting death to another country, I'm not the one asscoiated with the mosque saying people will come here and bomb us if it is moved or stopped, I'm not the one burning other peoples religious texts and such then getting all in a tizzy because someone threatnes to do it mine, I'm not the one mking threats to kill Americans where they are found word wide........and yet I'm the bigot. Well, I'm rather proud to be a bigot if it means I'm not one of them.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by adifferentbreed
Good for you, you have a right to fund terrorists too, hell why not our government does it on a daily basis. Hell, they not only fund them, they agree with them and try and strip our rights so as to appease the little monsters.


Do you ever get tired of living in such a fearful state of mind?

Rest assured, you're still far more likely to be struck by lightning than to be injured in a "terrorist" attack on U.S. soil.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 02:23 PM
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why is he being escorted by police at the airport in the news photo?



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 02:24 PM
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He's apparently received numerous death threats.



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