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Just In Case You Were Thinking of Denying The Holocaust

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posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 01:58 AM
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reply to post by King Loki
 


OK, I have read it.

"Only about twenty ovens" proven.

So, what were those ovens for?

My point is, whether or not the numbers have been exaggerated or not, it still happened.




posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 02:09 AM
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Originally posted by catwhoknows
reply to post by King Loki
 


"Only about twenty ovens" proven.

So, what were those ovens for?



Its a war, people will die ... pretty simple



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 02:15 AM
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People incarcerated indefinately do die. Their bodies do have to be disposed of. Every prison in the world has a cemetary, whether you are given a pine box or shoved into an oven is really the same thing. How your body itself is disposed of, is not proof positive of how you died.

Now I do concede the old, the very young, the sick, and likely those too defiant to labor for the Nazi State (I am assuming there were at least a few of those) were likely executed. They had no value to the State.

We do know that Camp Inmates were leased/rented to various Corporations and Enterprises to perform slave labor.

So it was a for profit enterprise.

What is cheaper to do with a dead body, to go through a labor intensive process of digging a grave, and encasing the body in something so disease, smell, don't get out, and animals don't dig them up to get in, plus devoting the land itself, another valuable resource to bury them in? Or is it cheaper and more efficient to cremate the bodies?

Which improves your bottom line profit, which is the least labor intensive.

The camps were a business, war is a business, the people who wage wars, aren't looking at it with emotional indignity, they are looking at it with a logistical eye for profit, and success in the endeavor.

The existence of the ovens, does not in my humble opinion, prove that the camps were solely or even primarily for the purpose of executing people.

So much slave labor from the camps was used by Nazi Industry I truly believe it is a real stretch to see these camps set up as labor enterprises, as simple extermination camps. They clearly weren't, and too much evidence exists to categorize them as such.

Lots of people died in them, but there primary purpose was not to kill to people, their primary purpose was to incarcerate masses of human beings to be used as centrally located slave labor.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 02:30 AM
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Originally posted by CynicalM
reply to post by Esoteric Teacher
 


Now I just wish I'd looked at the link...

What did I miss???


what i had in that original post was my opinion that whomever denies the holocaust happened was a "Madagascar".

then i provided a link to a close up picture or digital representation of a person's butt (male or female???) with the world map on it. the part of the map representing Madagascar was hidden in the crack.

it was deemed as pornographic, and i recieved two warnings for that post, because it was in violation of the terms and conditions.



Definitions of Pornography

1: the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement

2: material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement

3: the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction
Merriam-Webster’s Definition of Pornography.


I counted more than a dozen examples of full frontal nudity on the link to the video provided by the OP. most of them towards the last two minutes of the tape.

At 12:54 to 13:04 we can see 6 totally nude men and their nude buttocks on the video tape in the OP’s provided link.

Somehow I thought my link would also be appropriate showing a close up of one butt with a map of the world on it. I referenced calling anyone who denies the holocaust existed as being “Madagascar” which was sort of the center of the map, but hidden in the crack.

the link to the video and the material in it are not considered pornography, according to the terms and conditions and the definitions of pornography, obviously

So that was why my link earned me two warnings and a thousand point reduction.

While the OP’s link is not considered pornography due to intent and societal views on what is appropriate and what is not appropriate.


in short, maybe you didn't miss much.

this is my explanation as to why i thought one link to a picture of a butt was appropriate.
the link to the video in the OP's opening post set the standard, with examples of multiple frontal nudity and no less than six nude butts in it.

i thought one more wouldn't hurt.

i was wrong,
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edit on 11-9-2010 by Esoteric Teacher because: fix grammar



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 02:32 AM
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No, it is absolute proof of the Holocaust.

In most wars, people do not have ovens ready for their enemies.

In only one war did they do that.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 03:04 AM
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Well why don’t we look closely at the holocaust deniers? Look at the company they keep who are their supporters and or fellow travellers.

Most of these people seem to have links with the neo nazi end of the spectrum. Neo nazi meetings, music concerts and magazine s tend to give holocaust deniers a platform.

I know that Jews were rounded up and put in concentration camps but I also know that gays, those of below average intelligence, gypsies and other minorities and trade unionists were also taken.

The fact is that we have used the Jews as a symbol for all that was wrong about the holocaust but they are only a symbol. What is done in Israel is simply human psychology. The abused become abusers: The bullied become bullies.

However considering that we give the death penalty to a person who murders one person the holocaust is by our human standards monstrous. The numbers of Jews do not matter. In fact if it was 6m Arabs it would still be monstrous.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 03:05 AM
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Ten years ago I wouldn't have doubted this footage, but today I am very reluctant to accept this material as a genuine source of history.

The footage was recorded by a Psychological Warfare Division, headed by Albert G. Rosenberg. Rosenberg was a Lieutenant. His unit was later renamed into “Information Control Division” .

Source that this PSYOP-unit was responsible for the Buchenwald-documentation (in German)
starweb.hessen.de...

Here is a revisionist page dealing with the Buchenwald documentation:
www.whale.to...

Here a link to a Holocaust memorial website, which counters revisionism and confirms the authenticy of the shrunken heads and lampshade.
www.nizkor.org...

Im am unaware of any scientific confirmation (human DNA of European origin) for shrunken heads, human-skin lampshades or soap made from human remains. The exponats shown in this footage are lost and cannot be examined.

I don't know what is true and what is false. I see how TBTB rewrite history, especially in times of war. Ones own deeds are glorified and the enemies are demonized.

Here is a video showing a recent case of an emotional response to a horrible crime which never happened.



edit on 11-9-2010 by Drunkenshrew because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 03:08 AM
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Originally posted by catwhoknows
reply to post by King Loki
 


No, it is absolute proof of the Holocaust.

In most wars, people do not have ovens ready for their enemies.

In only one war did they do that.



wow ... you cannot be serious with that statement ... wow man, i have no words.

I will never be able to take anything you post seriously ever again. my god.


edit on 11/9/10 by King Loki because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 03:34 AM
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Yes many people were slaughtered during WW2. As many as 20 million people died in WW1, and the same again from Influenza the year after peace was declared.

And perhaps a drive to eredicate the Jewish people did happen to a high number of people during WW2.

What I don't understand is why that eradication is seen as the worst in mankind's history.

What about the slaughter of the Maori people in New Zealand, or the Aboriginal of Australia, the South and North American tribes, the people's of what was Cambodia, the Africans slaughtered by Hu Tu men, etc ?

Why is the world held to ransom emotionally for this one particular eradication?

Why is it not only "anti-semitic" (a bandage term) but also illegal in many countries to oppose "The Holocaust" perception and the endforced Remembering of it above all others?

Sorry.

To me it is saddening when people are slaughtered by their fellow man in any way. But I cannot abide one race of people's claiming and enforcing their's as "The Worst Ever".



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 03:40 AM
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Originally posted by catwhoknows

In most wars, people do not have ovens ready for their enemies.


bombs are portable ovens.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 03:40 AM
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Name me one other war where they had ovens.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 04:11 AM
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The holohoax is a sham and a joke.

1. The Germans didn't just single out jews, they killed many minority groups, do you hear blacks, gays, romas (gypsies), slavs, whining like the Jews do?

2. The Soviets lost far more people, not just soldiers who are technically not 'innocent', but FAR MORE INNOCENT CIVILIANS many times over than Jews did in the purported holohoax.

Thus in conclusion = who cares about the holohoax. Yes many Jews died in WW2 this is fact. But not 7 million and they weren't the most important or even the most numerous that died.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 04:18 AM
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Show me other wars where they had ovens.

And, BTW, I do not care what you think of my posts.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 04:20 AM
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OK, another person in denial - again, I say ask the families of those people.

How can you deny the Holocaust?

I ask you, as well, to tell me where anyone had ovens ready in any war or anything.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 04:22 AM
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I definitely think the Holocaust happened, but I'm unsure about the figure of 6,000,000 Jewish victims. Also, I think there was more than Nazis behind the Holocaust, there might have even been some treason within the Jewish community in order to form Israel.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 04:32 AM
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In most wars, people do not have ovens ready for their enemies.


I don't deny the holocaust but c'mon.

every hostpital has an oven...



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 04:36 AM
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People were burned in ovens.

Jews, gypsies and homosexuals.

I am sick of the denial.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 04:38 AM
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Originally posted by catwhoknows
People were burned in ovens.

Jews, gypsies and homosexuals.

I am sick of the denial.


Actually, I read there were a lot of gay Nazis, and it wasn't a crime to be gay, and the pink triangle was more for insulting traitors. I could be wrong though.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 04:38 AM
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Did you watch the vid? I did...

It stated clearly they could incinerate "15" bodies a day...

The camp held 40,000 plus...

Not exactly a death camp IMO..



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 04:42 AM
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A camp nonetheless.

Why would those people be in a camp and not allowed to escape?

To die.



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