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Just In Case You Were Thinking of Denying The Holocaust

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posted on Sep, 10 2010 @ 10:57 PM
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I came across this film tonight and had never seen it. And I am warning you, don't watch this unless you can handle some pretty serious, graphic video.

The description reads as follows:


Lest We Forget April 15-16 1945. !Very Graphic!

Harrowing footage of the liberation of Buchenwald,narrated by Norman Krasna. Mentions some of the mehods that the SS used against the inmates including decriptions and footage of the human kin lampshades and shrunken heads favoured by Ellse Koch.


www.liveleak.com...

I wonder what what's-his-face in Iran thinks about films like these, and there's a ton of them on liveleak.

Yes, it happened. To what extent may be debatable, but what is there to debate after watching this? Isn't this enough?




posted on Sep, 10 2010 @ 11:03 PM
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post removed for serious violation of ATS Terms & Conditions



posted on Sep, 10 2010 @ 11:27 PM
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reply to post by TrueAmerican
 

Here's something else you probably never heard of.

thy-weapon-of-war.blogspot.com...

Enjoy.



posted on Sep, 10 2010 @ 11:28 PM
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The loss of life, or god forbid significant life is sad, regardless of ethnicity, or race, or religion. Perhaps we should give all of them names and recognize all of them.



posted on Sep, 10 2010 @ 11:31 PM
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Yes, we are a barbaric species...
Proves my point in another thread where everyone is screaming about Islamic law...

We civilized people are not that far removed...



posted on Sep, 10 2010 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by Myendica
The loss of life, or god forbid significant life is sad, regardless of ethnicity, or race, or religion. Perhaps we should give all of them names and recognize all of them.


No...those who control the present control the future. We should only recognize the chosen as having been persecuted. Mention of those done in by the chosen is anti-semitic.



posted on Sep, 10 2010 @ 11:43 PM
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How can anyone with a brain deny the holocaust? Where did this denial come from? There are no words that could ever express the horror of those times. For any human being to allow such a thing to happen is pure evil and nothing less.



posted on Sep, 10 2010 @ 11:48 PM
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Well I say again, do the numbers really matter? 1 million, 3 million, 6 million? I mean that's what the holocaust debates seem to center around. This is despicable beyond belief. Savages, nothing more. Makes me ashamed to be part of this race. In the future when we can get off this planet, in another life I am outta here.


Originally posted by davidmann
reply to post by TrueAmerican
 

Here's something else you probably never heard of.

thy-weapon-of-war.blogspot.com...

Enjoy.


Yeah thanks, watched it. More depressing video of inhumane crimes. And we haven't even touched on Africa yet.
It's hard to have hope for this race after seeing stuff like this.



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posted on Sep, 10 2010 @ 11:51 PM
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most holocaust deniers don't deny that holocaust happened, they deny the number of Jews (and others) that were directly affected by it.

By the way, how can you NOT consider the possibility that all those records might have been falsified for a greater purpose? Like let's say, to have an incentive and world's support to create the Zionist state of Israel? Now THAT is ignorance.


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posted on Sep, 10 2010 @ 11:52 PM
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well us earthlings think all life is precious. So what about what has become of Africa? or Iraq? or geez, China...? So, perhaps, maybe we should really consider recognizes them, in this era, and timeframe, instead of focuses so much on the past. History repeats itself everyday.



posted on Sep, 10 2010 @ 11:58 PM
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It's not that I deny the Holocaust, so much as I deny ignorance by not denying the many more non-Jewish civilians who died at the hands of the Nazis. I even have family that both survived and died in the Nazi concentration camps. However, by simply remembering and memorializing the Jews while ignoring the rest, we are disrespecting the the vast majority of those who suffered. Why just remember the Jews and not everyone else, especially seeing how the Jews are only a small percentage of the over-all dead? I think it is racist to put the Jews on a pedestal, while ignoring the vast majority of innocents killed by the same regime. Again, why must we only single out the Jews who suffered, when they weren't the only ones?

In fact, one has to wonder why it is the Jews only who are to be remembered and engrained into our brains? It makes one think that there is political motive behind such a disrespectful notion. It's like remembering only the blacks who died on 9/11 and claiming that the attack was an attack on blacks only and anyone who denies such a notion, is obviously racist.


--airspoon



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posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 12:04 AM
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I've watched the film that Alfred Hitchock was part of, following the rescue of some people from a Nazi concentration camp. It was a horror! Meh, it was just special effects and lots of actors?

Not even, IMHO.

And for sure, not the recounting of just the horrors of discovering such things, by my uncle.

But once he dies, I suppose any sort of credibiltiy dies?

I sure don't deny the halocaust occured, for sure. But I don't know the real reason it occured.I used to believe it was just because a really influential maniac caused it, just cuz that was it. Too much information has been uncovered for me to totally deny it all, or accept the original story.

Just saying.............



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 12:05 AM
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Well I hear you, and those are some valid points. But fortunately for me this isn't about the divisions in those races at all. And this isn't about Zionism, not to me. This is about one or more humans agreeing collectively to do these unspeakable things to other humans. As a new breed of ATSers emerges and the older membership dissolves out of view, it is important to remind the young people of just how "not to be like Mike." That is all.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 12:11 AM
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Good. For sure information haa exposed it wasn't just a Jew thing.

But there are people who seem to want to deny any of this ever occured. To the point that there was no "Haloucust" of Jews. Maybe even claiming there were NO Jews targeted and it's all a made up myth.

I believe this is what the OP is referring to.

Just saying.................



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 12:14 AM
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When you recognize the Holocaust, you are in fact supporting the "division in those races". By singling out one race, especially when that one race wasn't the majority of those dead, you are dividing the races. Why not remember and cherish all who died, instead of dividing the races by focusing on one single race and what happened to them only? It wasn't a Jewish Holocaust, as many more people died than just the Jewish. It wasn't a Jewish Holocaust any more than the 9/11 attacks were directed at the black or Chinese races. Again, by suggesting a Holocaust of the Jewish people, you are in fact dividing races and putting more importance on one race over the others.



--airspoon





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posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by TrueAmerican
 


When you recognize the Holocaust, you are in fact supporting the "division in those races".


No I am not. That is your understanding of the term Holocaust. And it is inaccurate.

ho·lo·caust
noun
\ˈhō-lə-ˌkȯst, ˈhä- also -ˌkäst or ˈhȯ-lə-kȯst\
Definition of HOLOCAUST
1
: a sacrifice consumed by fire
2
: a thorough destruction involving extensive loss of life especially through fire
3
a often capitalized : the mass slaughter of European civilians and especially Jews by the Nazis during World War II —usually used with the b : a mass slaughter of people; especially : genocide

mw1.merriam-webster.com...



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 12:32 AM
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Through the rest of my post, I refer to it as a Jewish Holocaust, just as it is percieved by the vast majority of the World's population and implied by those throwing it out. Most people understand the Holocaust to be a Jewish Holocaust and in fact, when the term is used, Judaism is implied. The intent of bringing up the Holocaust, is to imply Jewish suffering at the hands of the Nazis and that implication is the exact notion that I'm against.

Unfortunately, most people associate the Holocaust with Jewish deaths and suffering only, thus the term is tainted and shouldn't be used. It's just like the swastika, which is not a Nazi symbol only, though because of what it generally implies and how it is percieved by the vast majority of people, it too is tainted and should no longer be used (if it offends you). I'm not saying to ban anything, though just as I don't use the swastika, I won't recognize the Holocaust, due simply to it's most common implication.

You can't really deny that when most people refer to the Holocaust, they are referring to Jewish suffering at the hands of the Nazis, therefore "Holocaust" is synonymous with Jewish suffering.


--airspoon



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 12:37 AM
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i apologize for the nature of that first post i contributed to this thread. it obviously offended someone and was in violation of T&C. butt, it was how i felt after watching that video. and they did have examples of how human skin was used for artwork, so i thought it was a little appropriate.

i apologize for the psychological damages my post may have caused anyone, and the disruptive and inflamitory aspects of that post. sorry members. sorry op.


and i also apologize to Madagascar.
< i have been warned, twice, for the same post. (deservingly)
-et


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posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 12:39 AM
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Now I just wish I'd looked at the link...

What did I miss???



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 12:41 AM
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Well maybe it's time you reconsidered your own interpretations of the term, because the dictionary just proved you wrong. Sorry, but I didn't write it.

the mass slaughter of European civilians

That's what it has always meant to me, and of course, that the Jews were part of that. I refuse to be bullied into not using the term Holocaust when the dictionary itself DEFINES it as above. Nope, nope, and nope.

NO!!!!!!!!!


edit on Sat Sep 11th 2010 by TrueAmerican because: (no reason given)




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