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Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by Aristophrenia
I was in an union once and it was only because of the union that the pay was close to a livable wage. I work at a different place now with no union. The pay and benefits are great but you have no protection from management, especially supervisors/managers with a grudge. Also, because most of the people I work with are refugees, management likes to take advantage of language barriers to scare them into compliance.
There has to be balance. There can be an union that gets the fair wages, benefits and protections that employees need without forcing corporate entities to bend over too much.
Older teachers can adapt and can be valuable role models to a younger generation.
I'm also tired of seeing unions demonized over and over and over by the right-wing folks, many who have probably never been part of a union and could understand less how they work.
As for the public vs private debate?
Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by Rockpuck
If the public were allowed to choose salaries, what do you think the outcome of that would be?
Teachers would probably be scraping by on a minimum salary and they'd be glorified babysitters for a bunch of spoiled brats.
That's why unions exist and they're not all that corrupt. I don't know how NJ politics work though.
Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
Listen folks, the government workers, right now are making twice what the private sector is.
The private sector has in about 75% of the cases lost their ENTIRE retirement, the others lost most of it.
Do you think people can actually survive on a PROMISED social security system? That is already broke, the payments have been frozen now and I am assuming that now they are in the red, that will be changed to cuts in the near future.
BUT OH NO, the government workers and the other unions will get their pay for their exorbitant salaries and exorbitant pensions and their exorbitant vacations and other perks HUH!?
Peeps make me so fricking pissed off sometimes. Get this, we the private workers and companies are SICK and TIRED of paying for the sycophants in government and their connected unions. This is not even mentioning the other leeches on us!
Originally posted by links234
I have seen nothing that supports that claim.
Overall, federal workers earned an average salary of $67,691 in 2008 for occupations that exist both in government and the private sector, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data. The average pay for the same mix of jobs in the private sector was $60,046 in 2008, the most recent data available.
These salary figures do not include the value of health, pension and other benefits, which averaged $40,785 per federal employee in 2008 vs. $9,882 per private worker, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis.
That's what happens when you throw all your retirement money into the great Wall Street casino. If you don't like it, you should've put your money into SS.
That's what happens when you don't have unions, you get screwed. This is why private sector, non-union employees get paid less, they let themselves get paid less.
I'm sick and tired of hearing you whine about our good ideas rewarding us while your bad ideas and decisions punish you. Go back to your maxed out credit cards, I'll stick to my savings account.