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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Ok guys, let's take our thinking caps out for a second.
I was reading about the "ground zero mosque" and apparently the cost of it is 100Million Dollars!
Wowserz!!!!
And I thought to myself, with all the tax breaks and donations that these religious institutions get... all combined... could it end poverty?
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by 547000
No, so you can learn how people behave in the real world. So you can learn of basic things like "tragedy of the commons" and what things like "rational incentive" is.
If you want paradise, people would need to get everything they desire without effort. As long as effort is required, TANSTAAFL.
My friend, you and I view a couple of things differently, that is all.
"Real World" is quiet subjective. What you perceive as the real world, is radically different than what I see. Regardless, my view is as real to me as yours is to you.
For example, I practice what I preach, living outside the system, helping people where I can for no money or expectation of return. Others give me what I need with no expectation of return. I am in paradise, as I define it for I want nothing that is not provided and I provide for others.
Granted, I don't drive a Jaguar, have a fashion model for a wife, a mansion for a house, and a bank account which I get watch grow and grow and grow. Nor am I working like a slave to just barely get by. But, I do have treasure and wealth beyond that which most would ever understand. I am loved more than most could ever dream, and I love more than most are capable.
That is my economics.
With Love,
Your Brother
edit on 11-9-2010 by IAMIAM because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by 547000
Why should people work when everything is free? What will you do when many people don't work to contribute to society? Should we force them at gunpoint?
Originally posted by 547000As long as effort is needed, nothing is free. Why should someone clean septic tanks when they could do just as well sitting on their butts greeting people at Walmart? Do you think there is someone who enjoys cleaning septic tanks?
Originally posted by 547000And why are you using the internet? Stop paying for the internet and start giving that money to needy people. Internet is not a need but a desire.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
My friend, EVERYONE works now. We just do not see their contributions as worth anything. The Single mother who sits at home having babies which our current system supports with food stamps and government housing IS working. She is bringing new children into this world who will bring more children into this world. Even if those children do the same, one of those children, given the opportunity will contribute something more to society. They may even be the next Mozart. Furthermore, this "welfare" mom could do a much better job raising her children if given the opportunity. There is an old African saying that strikes to this point, "it takes a village to raise a child."
Yes, I do think there are some who enjoy cleaning septic tanks. How do I know? Because these are the questions I have asked people that I have encountered through Life. They do not clean septic systems because that is all they are capable of doing. They clean them because it is a job that needs to be done. There is something quite divine in that answer.
I use the internet because I reach more people. It is but one of many tools that I use. I also talk to people face to face. It is much easier face to face to convey these simple messages. I do not pay for the internet. It is there so I use it. I do not have money. I gave it all away. I use access points where ever I can find them.
Originally posted by 547000
I can't tell if you're being serious or not. If so, congratulations, you will be going to Heaven for sure, and I have respect for you. You're braver than I. In the country where I'm from you'd be left starving on the side of a road to die if you had no money.
Originally posted by 547000
What will you do when everything is free and many people do not want to work?
Originally posted by 547000When everything is free, there is no such thing as a job to do. All is for pleasure, and cleaning a septic tank or scraping off roadkill is not pleasure.
Originally posted by 547000I can't tell if you're being serious or not. If so, congratulations, you will be going to Heaven for sure, and I have respect for you. You're braver than I. In the country where I'm from you'd be left starving on the side of a road to die if you had no money.
Originally posted by nine-eyed-eel
I have zero respect for him...he can't tell if someone is urinating on his foot or if it's raining...and that's assuming that he's not lying about his precious happy world of love, I bet if we examined him we would find he doesn't really practice this charming hoo-hah worth a damn...I hate his kind.
Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by nine-eyed-eel
If he has really done what he claims to have done, then he has done what Christ would have done.
Originally posted by 547000
I love your idealism, but I suggest you go to a library and read up on economic theory and read up on the history of communism. When you see the fallacies for yourself, you will realize the importance of economic freedom. Nothing I can say will sway you, believe me, I know, when I was uneducated in such matters I thought such things were best too; but when you realize the fallacies for yourself after actual study, you will probably err on the side of liberty over safety.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
So, if physical examples are all you will believe, I will invite you to come see me. Come see that what I say is true. I will gladly visit with you, let you see my life, and hopefully find that what I say is absolutely what I do.
With Love,
Your Brother