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Quran burning on again? Pastor says maybe

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posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 12:40 AM
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I heard on the radio that they are burning bibles like crazy in Israel...
no proselytizing allowed there...
so...
what I want to know is
When is this crazy MOFO gonna stand up for Jesus
and burn some Torahs?


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posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 12:51 AM
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This whole thing just gives the muslim world more reason to hate the U.S! I wish they would stop burning our flag everyday,..but im not going to kill anyone because they do.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 01:22 AM
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Originally posted by Zamini
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Why are you trying to make "intelligent reasoning" seem bad? As far as I can see Iran is still in charge of Iran, poverty caused in Iran is due to embargos and blockades YOUR nation...In fact, without such blockades Iran would be an economically and scientifically thriving country


You are either confused or just not very bright...

To refresh your memory...you claimed that the constitution was nothing but a "dead' and useless piece of paper and "intelligent reasoning" is what should be valued. I gave you Iran(your nation) as an example of a place where a constitution similar to that of the US is strongly desired and needed. Therefor, you have no right the criticize it.

WHAT DOES THE CONSTITUTION HAVE TO DO WITH POVERTY AND ECONOMICS?

Anyway, so your irrelevant example is suppose to be your proof that "intelligent reasoning" is actually working in Iran, right? Interesting!


. Americans like yourself like to critisize the way women are put down in Iran(which is something of the old generation - ask your own elders how it went) yet they are blind to university rates(more than 60% female students), they are ignorant of their own ways of putting down women


I asked my elders and they said that they never stoned women to death in their day, But nice try.

So according to you, the criticism is unwarranted right? More proof that "intelligent reasoning" in working(according to you)..interesting.



I find it very fitting though, that when someone says they are from Iran they are looked upon as the enemy. Never mind the fact that nowhere did I condone any violent response to the opposition in Iran or harsh punishments.

What is very very funny is how people will be quick to jump in my face and tell me how the government in Iran puts down its people, when it is my friends who have been shot at and tortured in prisons.


Wow your tone has suddenly changed. So now it is your friends who have been shot and torture by the same government that you were just defending.

So which one is it Mr hypocrite, Does the "intelligent reasoning" work in Iran or not??? Are people able to peacefully protest the actions of their government or not?

Like I previously mentioned, don't come here telling American's how useless their constitution is when your own country is the best example of how much worse thing could be if no constitution existed.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 04:59 AM
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I agree it's barbaric - anyone who does such things is barbaric, irrespective of their religion, nationality, etc.

I include in this the American government who has murdered hundreds of good people who were telling the truth about their crimes.

What difference is there between the two? I can't see any.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 05:17 AM
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I suspect that the Government has rolled out its resources on this one. If what I've read elsewhere is true, this guy had to leave his last church because he'd had his hand in the till, was arrested in August for child pornography and is believed by his daughter to have lost it.

There is no way this would have been taken seriously by anyone, let alone all the government worms who have crawled out to make statements, if this was not a government propaganda project. They are pumping it for all they are worth, aided of course by their Mainstream Propaganda Machine.

I think it's likely that he is being used by TPTB and actually I think he could be in danger from these same people. His insanity is useful to them now, but he is expendable.

Meanwhile, whilst attention is diverted elsewhere, yesterday Israel bombed Gaza and completely shut the crossing points for 4 days. (Never lose an opportunity?)

I despair that people are buying into this obvious attempt to stir up anti-Islamist feeling on the most ridiculous of pretexts, although having said that I am also pretty sure they will have their trolls out in force on this story. As much as they can inflame opinion everywhere, including ATS they will do it.

I have no doubt that if this same guy was to speak out against the Government he would be totally riduculed and torn apart on MSM, or would simply never be heard about again.

It's up to each one of us to not get suckered into this ridiculous story.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 05:35 AM
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Here's my thoughts on this subject, take them for what they are worth.

I see this as a first amendment issue, nothing more, nothing less. If this guy wants to burn the Koran, who cares? There are going to be people pissed off in the middle east no matter what we do.

The problem I see is the press in this matter. The press is making this an issue and you all are salivating all over this tripe.

You know, who cares what this guy does, who cares what his reason for doing it is, as long as he isn't hurting anyone, fine, so be it. I understand that it's a stupid bigoted fascist thing to do, but you know, it's his right to be a stupid bigoted fascist. I just think that America pays way too much attention to the morons instead of shunning them and ignoring them like we should.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 06:11 AM
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At the end of the day i found this whole thing ironic and flawed.

We here Obama, Cameron and all these Generals slating Jones for wanting to burn these Qurans, citing that its enraging the Muslim world and causing all these issues. Thats BS. I think the fact we are in the middle-east is a far bigger reason for why they are enraged.

Get the troops out and never return to that god-awful region of the world.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 06:16 AM
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Even if this guy does not burn a Koran, I will. If you can't burn an actual Koran or one of the many interpretations of the Koran, simply create an effigy and burn that!

I urge everyone to burn the Koran!

I have burned, shot, and otherwise defiled the Islamic "holy" book on several occasions. It is a good thing!

Burn, burn, burn! Burn the Koran.

I am so sick of the muslims and their stupid Jihad.


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posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 07:00 AM
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posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 07:00 AM
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edit on 11-9-2010 by Zamini because: What's with the double postings?



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 07:26 AM
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It's not the Muslims who are intimidating you into being silent, it's the American government. Try making public some information which would expose the Government's crimes and see whether you aren't targeted in the same way literally hundreds of others have been. See what freedom of speech you have then. Or just try coming up with a free energy invention and see how that puts your life at risk, or even try burning a picture of Obama or Bush in a public place just to see how free you are.

It wasn't the Muslims who sold the US to the Federal Reserve
It isn't the Muslims who are stealing every single dollar from the American people.
It isn't the Muslims who passed the law that American citizens can be assassinated by 'government agents' anywhere in the world, any time, simply on grounds of suspicion.
It wasn't Muslim banks which caused the economic crash
It wasn't Muslims who caused the Gulf oil spill
It isn't the Muslims who give billions of dollars of the American people's money to Israel each year
It isn't the Muslims who control the US media
It isn't the Muslims who have destroyed the US legal system
It isn't the Muslims who are foreclosing on your homes

The absolute blindness of those who are being wound up into a frenzy by this ridiculous story, and who are buying into the government's hate machine is so irrational as to be foolish beyond words.

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posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 07:40 AM
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What you don't seem able to grasp is that the Muslims feel the same as you towards the American invasion into their country, multiplied at least 100 times.

You are all kicking up such a stink about not being able to burn the Koran - which in fact isn't true because the idiot who has made such a big fuss about it is still free to do it if he wishes. You have had ONE alleged terrorist attack in US.. Now, look at what the Americans have done to Iraqi people and their country, and look at what they have done to the Afghanistan people and their country, and look at what Israel has done to Gaza. And try, just try, just for once, just for a minute, to put yourself in their place and imagine how you would feel.

How would you feel if instead of there being a frenzy about an idiot stirring up hatred over the burning of a Koran, how would you feel if your family, your children had been bombed by Muslim terrorists daily for nine years?, How would you feel if hundreds of thousands of your compatriots, your friends, your families, your children, were being killed daily for no good reason, except to feed the greed of their psychotic leaders. How would you feel if they took control of your country? How would you feel if it also meant that there was inadequate supply of essentials - electiriciy, food, schools medical care for the wounded?

I have no doubt you would be prepared to kill and lash out in any way you could at the terrorists who were doing this to your country. And that is how the Afghans, Iraqis and Palestians feel about the US.

People need to start joining up the dots and getting their brains into gear if things are ever going to change for the better. A frenzied, irrational mob type response is just what the criminal psycopaths in charge of US and other countries want. And too many idiots are giving it to them.








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posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 08:01 AM
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Well, it looks like he caved today.............................wonder if the media will jump on Phelps and Taylor? I don't think so as I figure the damage by the media is already done to our country, both by the media and the cowards in office.................................what an eye opening experience this has been.


www.abovetopsecret.com...



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posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 10:11 AM
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Yes, because all Muslim extremists are from Afghanistan and Iraq, am I right?



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 10:52 AM
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Wow, I'm surprised you think all Muslim terrorists come from Afghanistan and Iraq. Let me enlighten you. Iit seems the US government think Afghanistan and Iraq are strategic terrorist areas since they invaded them as part of their 'war on terror' (sic) and in their own Government statements made explicit links between terrorism and both these countries. Also, Israel, unconditionally supported by US,as you know, obviously has an issue with Gaza - . Oh yes, and Israel also wants to invade Lebanon and Syria, and doesn't get on at all well with Egypt.....so perhaps this widespread antaganosm towards all these Muslim countries, on top of the point I mentioned in the post you refer to, might also contribute to some Muslims feeling very angry at US and other Western countries who they perceive as murderous, violent, agressive, and anti-Islam. Then of course, we mustn't forget all the talk of attacking Iran, another Muslim country.

So, when this Pastor was talking about burning the Koran and attacking Islam, I think he was referring to all Muslims, not just those in Afghanistan and Iraq.

So, to answer your question, no, 'Muslim extremist' is not synonymous with 'Afghan' or 'Iraqi', so no, not all Muslim extremists come from Iraq and Afghanistan. I do hope this answers your question.

Just one word of caution, you may frequently find Mossad/CIA agents masquerading as Muslim extremists, when they attack places in America, UK, for example. This may be where some of your confusion comes from.

Hope this helps.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 11:24 AM
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Listen I share many of your sentiments regarding the US government and their fueling of muslim extremism. However, I must say that I truly believe that your being a bit short-sighted when blaming it all on the US. The fact is that islamic fundamentalism existed way before the US. In fact, you can look at their history and see how islam was spread through the middle-east. It is also a religion that has zero tolerance towards criticism or other religions. If you don't like your liberties being taken away in the US, then try living in a none secular islamic country.

The fact is that the US realizes that this intolerance and fanaticism in islam is real and in turn they instigate and provoke it. This results in threats against Americans which brings about fear and the illusion that they now need the government even more. Leading to the growth of government and spread of the imperialistic agenda.

Anyways, the bottom line is that yes this fanaticism is fueled by American foreign policy, however, we should not dismiss the negative elements of islam that has existed for over a thousand years. Indeed islam is the religion of intolerance and you could not provoke another group of people to such terrible acts as suicide bombings.

BTW, this is coming from a former muslim who should technically be killed according to islamic teachings.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 11:31 AM
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Let's just all threaten to burn stuff. And then people can threaten to burn stuff if we burn that stuff. And then people can threaten to build stuff if those people burn that stuff. I'll start by throwing Playstation consoles and Bratz dolls into my homemade inferno.



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 11:49 AM
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I think everyone here is forgetting a little thing called "Freedom of Speech." We have that in this nation even when we don't like or condone the "speech" others are guaranteed. If this man wants to burn books in protest, that's his constitutional right. The US Supreme Court even ruled that burning a US flag is protected freedom of speech.




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