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Rest assured, most theories in the 9/11 truth movement are checked, rechecked, researched and re-researched.
Originally posted by thedman
Most "theories" seem to be result of misinformation combined with paranoia or scams like David Ray Griffin
.....Now, having said that, do not take "weedwhacker"'s word as law and fact, or anyone else's word for that matter. Do your own research
ELT is highly survivable actually, much like the FDR is.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
....another idea is to spend the DECADES I have in experience.....oh, wait.....some here don't have 'decades' to spend, in time, in order to impart the vast knowledge...and thus, the experience that MANY bring to these Boards, for discussion......
That's nice of you to talk about an established PhD. like that. Where's your PhD. again?
Originally posted by thedman
You are aware that Griffin was into JFK Conspiracies before WTC became his new bugaboo.
One evening in Eureka, over a barbecue meal, St. John explains how he first came to suspect that his father might somehow be involved in the Kennedy assassination. "Around 1975, I was in a phone booth in Maryland somewhere, when I saw a poster on a telephone pole about who killed JFK, and it had a picture of the three tramps. I saw that picture and I f***ing -- like a cartoon character, my jaw dropped, my eyes popped out of my head, and smoke came out of my ears. It looks like my dad. There's nobody that has all those same facial features. People say it's not him. He's said it's not him. But I'm his son, and I've got a gut feeling."
"By the time he handed me the paper, I was in a state of shock," Saint says. "His whole life, to me and everybody else, he'd always professed to not know anything about any of it. But I knew this had to be the truth. If my dad was going to make anything up, he would have made something up about the Mafia, or Castro, or Khrushchev. He didn't like Johnson. But you don't falsely implicate your own country, for Christ's sake. My father is old-school, a dyed-in-the-wool patriot, and that's the last thing he would do."
So Cap'n weedy....you are saying the strange signals are just the pilots(or one of the "terrorists"...) "testing" the ELT or accidentally activating it???
And, out of curiosity, why do you think the ELT's failed to activate upon impact, as designed to do???
....And weedy...in my defense, you said ....
"The ELT is NOT....I repeat, NOT installed on airliners....as a rule. "
It actually IS.....as a rule.
This is a present tense statement you made, yet now you insist you meant 2000/1....
FAR 91.207 Emergency locator transmitters
(a) “Except as provided in paragraphs (e) and (f) of this section, no person may operate a U.S. registered civil airplane unless-“
(1) “There is attached to the airplane an approved automatic type emergency locator transmitter...”,
Note: Per paragraph (f): (a) does not apply to (1) Before January 1, 2004, turbojet-powered aircraft;
(2) Aircraft while engaged in scheduled flights by scheduled air carriers; and (11) On and after January 1, 2004, aircraft with a maximum payload capacity of more than 18,000 pounds when used in air transportation.
Hey Weed, with your decades of vast knowledge and experience, maybe you can explain what happened to those four flight data recorders and cockpit voice recorders that were supposedly never recovered from the WTC wreckage, even though a FDNY firefighter and rescue worker claim that three black boxes were found and turned over to the FBI.
And while you're at it, why don't you tell us how often the FDRs and CVRs are never recovered?
After collection of the wreckage, it became clear that the aircraft had broken up due to excessive buffeting and excessive control forces. The FDR had been destroyed in ground fire, but the CVR was still readable and confirmed the investigator's findings.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
Well, obviously crashes in deep ocean. THOSE boxes, themselves, will "ping" --- for about a month or so, until batterires die. (That's one reason an ELT was exempted from Part 121 air carrier airplanes, for so many years...that, and the whole point of the ELT is to assist in finding an airplane, whereabouts unknown. ALL commercial passenger flights are "flight followed" by the Dispatcher, from take-off to landing. Their whereabouts are hardly in question. Sure, days before GPS and SAT links and such, the area might only be known generally, if the airplane is lost when out of radar contact, but the radius of the search could be focused early, and quickly, based on what they could follow, as part of the FARs and requirements).
There have, also, in extrememly energetic other crashes been instances where the "boxes" (or, maybe just one) had disrupted data, FROM the impact. They aren't totally indestructible, ya know. (Note AAL 77's CVR, for instance). Don't have those other cases committed to memory, but I know how to search..... [more paragraphs of blah, blah, blah removed]
While all of these bodies and plane parts are supposedly found, it will be claimed that none of the four black boxes for the two aircraft that hit the WTC are ever found. A National Transportation Safety Board spokesperson later says: “It’s extremely rare that we don’t get the recorders back. I can’t recall another domestic case in which we did not recover the recorders.” [CBS News, 2/23/2002] The black boxes are considered “nearly indestructible,” are placed in the safest parts of the aircraft, and are designed to survive impacts much greater than the WTC impact. They can withstand heat of up to 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit for one hour, and can withstand an impact of an incredible 3,400 G’s. [ABC News, 9/17/2001] However, in 2004, it will be reported that some of the black boxes are found in the weeks after 9/11, but their discovery is kept secret (see October 2001).
Some gruesome remains are discovered in the World Trade Center ruins:
Investigators find a pair of severed hands bound together with plastic handcuffs on a nearby building. They are believed to have belonged to a flight attendant. [Newsday, 9/15/2001]
Honorary firefighter Michael Bellone and two other recovery workers discover the body of an attendant from American Airlines Flight 11. Reportedly, the men’s digging efforts reveal “a blue skirt, then one side of a body, and finally a pair of wings still attached to the lapel of a woman’s jacket.” [Swanson, 2003, pp. 140; Daily Standard (Grand Lake), 9/11/2006] Other reports describe the discovery of the body of a flight attendant with her hands bound. Presumably they are referring to the same remains. [Guardian, 9/13/2001; New York Times, 9/15/2001]
There are reports of whole rows of seats with passengers in them being found, as well as much of the cockpit of one of the planes, complete with the body of a suspected hijacker. Police cannot confirm these reports. [Ananova, 9/13/2001; Guardian, 9/13/2001; New York Times, 9/15/2001]
Fire Lieutenant John McCole sees a body bag with a tag on it saying, “Possible Perp—pilot.” McCole later comments, “I found it pretty amazing that someone’s body could remain so intact after crashing through a skyscraper into the middle of an inferno.”
Originally posted by weedwhacker
Recorders are installed AFT of the cabin, behind the aft pressure bulkhead.
So, they most likely would have come to rest somewhere inside the carnage. THEN, of course....the buildings collapsed. Little wonder they weren't found in all that mess.
The NTSB's comment is, therefore, not applicable....it is true that in MOST cases they are recovered, but 9/11 was nothing like anything else ever experienced.
part of the transponder equipment is a secondary transponder assignment a secondary in case of conflict of transponder asignments these can be switched from one to another by the pilot or at the request of air traffic control
...upon changing from one frequency to another there is a temporary amount of time that neither transponder frequency is braud casting ...
....some eperb ELTs will se this lack of transmittion as a condition to start transmitting...
....most large passenger airliners were fitted with an anti hijack remote control system using the transponder frequency to send and receive singnals...
...these remote control locks out the pilot from controlling the craft ...
...there were some anomolies to do with transponders prior to the hijack sequence.
...remember that a pilot cannot turn off only switch from one freq to another
if two planes were flown with similar heights speeds direction ect then there corosponding frequencies were swopped between planes then the imposter plane continues on in the place of the original ...
...now when using lazer tracking beam riding guided target aqusition systems the payload requires a switch over from remote computer/human control to a homing box or lazer target aqusition system ...
...the control computer for the hydrolic system that handles flaps rudder ect has pre programed limits so as to not stress the air frame flaps ect...
...when in anti hyjack mode these limits are not in effect...
...ie very sharp very precise course corrections are capable like the ones required by a guided missle
many hundres of output changes per second...
...the black box recorded all the proof required ...