Originally posted by DOADOA
you people just don't get it. it doesn't matter how many architect, engineers or airline pilot come forward, they will never admit to this. to admit to this is to end america goddamnt. even if jesus himself came down from the heaven and said that it was and still is an inside job, they will deny it. if GOD himself put himself on every news channel known to man for 5 years straight and point a holy finger at america for 9/11, they would still deny it.

so please, its over and done with. people died and no amount of airline pilot, architect, or engineers will bring them back alive, both in iraq and america. this is one truth that will not be reveal, live with it. to take their words for is the same as knowing the truth, it changes NOTHING.

This is actually true. The US government won't ever open another investigation. The Anthrax attacks were the notification that if a real investigation ever did begin, then there'd be no recovery for the US economy or for tens of thousands of American citizens as a result. The quick passing of the Patriot ASt allowed the Bush Executive Branch to create the massive spy network that's already become impossible to control - creating "legitimate" intelligence agencies whose only job is to monitor investigation efforts that may or may not unearth evidence that can't be dismissed, and to deal with those efforts appropriately.

Even the GitMo torture program had a bottom-line reason for existence. It took them 183 tries, but they finally got KSM to confess to being the mastermind behind 9/11. And it was done "legitimately", with the confession on tape. Case closed, as far as 51% of the American public is concerned, and we all know that 51% agreement equals truth in this society.

The only real remedy is to simply decide to punish those that we know were involved, and to get about the business of implementing that punishment. Sure, Wolfowitz has Blackwater guards, but they aren't omnipotent. They fall like anyone else does, and then Wolfowitz is available to pay for his crimes. Same with all the actors that we know were instrumental - or even supplemental, such as the marketing team members in the media - with the protection sketchy (at best) for the lower rung operatives.

Anything less than this is allowing the perpetrators a free pass on mass murder. The evidence on at least a dozen of these people has been in for 5 years now. The US government will always refuse to get involved, and that's because it is dealing with an ongoing extortion threat connected to the crimes. These people are not invulnerable, and if the Truth Movement is serious, it now knows what it needs to do.

Originally posted by roboe
Still going with 1200+ Architects & Engineers, despite the majority of them "only" being architectural & engineering professionals

As opposed to:

123,000 members of ASCE (American Society of Civil Engineers)

80,000 members of AIA (American Institute of Architects)

120,000 members of ASME(American Society of Mechanical Engineers)

Who apparently have no problem with the official report. Sure, those engineers aren't structural engineers, but since the AE911T doesn't care about little things like that, why should I?

Unless you want to say that they're keeping quiet because of fear of retaliation...but unfortunately circular logic is not logic at all.

Considering how many architects design buildings that either collapse or are structurally unsound, an architect isn't the best person to ask about structural engineering. Also, electrical engineers don't know much about structural engineering. Is there a breakdown of how many people with appropriate expertise and experience are members of AE911T?

I await with intrepid anticpation...
However, I bet no main news services carries any coverage of this press conference, or if they do, it will be diminished in impact in some way.

As for the comments suggesting some coincidental harm may come to all the engineers and architects, I think they'll all be okay, as long as they don't accept a Dallas ticket tape parade in an open limo....

Seriously, this is an incredibly important time for all Americans, well the ones who actually believe in the tenets of democracy and the rights enshrined in your Bill of Rights that is, and it is also important for the entire Western world.

I come from Australia, and I really want to see the America my father called our good friend again, not the poisoned version that the Bush cartel created. This is the real war, the war of truth and justice. What also disturbs me, is the lack of interest Obama has demonstrated in getting to the truth of the 911 matter, that scares me even more...

Originally posted by lee anoma

Originally posted by Faiol
well, most of u guys here are pretty clueless in my opinion

nobody there is saying the the US of A did 911, they are just saying the buildings were brought down by explosives, thats it

it wouldnt mean that the US did it, but it would mean they lied, for some reason ...

So they didn't do it, just lied to cover for terrorists?
This makes sense to you?

I think the fact that they would lie over something as innocuous as saying "they also planted explosives" is a red herring if I ever saw one and yes that means they would have to be involved.

- Lee

I am just saying that these findings by 911 truth are not based on the fact that US helped terrorists, thats not what they are saying, thats all

I didnt give my opinion on it ... I just said that they are stating that the buildings were brought down by explosives and not that the US brought down, thats another investigation ...

This is HUGE. These people are only saying what many of us are thinking/feeling about 9/11. Many of us knew from the beginning that it was an inside job, or at least that the jet-liners weren't enough to take down the towers, let alone building 7 which fell for no reason. Eyewitness reports from the subbasement of building 1 said that there were explosions in the basement up to 30 SECONDS before the planes ever hit! 30 SECONDS. And how about the fact that jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel to a molten status. Firefighters reported molten steel up to a month AFTER. The only thing that burns hot enough to melt steel is thermite. This is not to mention the fact that several of the beams in pictures released to the public show perfect 45* angle cuts on many of the beams at the building 1 site. These cuts also show evidence of molten steel. When someone is looking to do a controlled implosion of a building, they typically tie some type of burn line around support structures, and in many cases use, you guessed it, thermite. A "pancake effect" as the official reports state, could not happen. It's impossible. The core structure would have still been standing as the floors fell down around it. What about the 10 second free fall that both towers took? If it was a pancake effect, there would have been a delay as each floor fell on each other floor. The official report is a blatant lie. I hope more people will listen to this group, and start demanding answers from the government. There's only so much that you can hide before it all comes falling down on top of you.

Unless, of course, all 1200+ members of this group end up dying in the same plane crash, just hours before the meeting...




Peace be with you.

-truthseeker

Paranoia is a good thing to put limits on, I've seen and heard the 'evidence' and it proves nothing conclusively. I suspect it's more like Pearl Harbour, they knew something was happening and let it happen to motivate the people to fight, and like Pearl harbour the impact was much greater than suspected. We've been interfering, oppressing, and attacking the middle east since WWII and the end of the UK's colonialism - they have resources we want, and we want them cheap. It was just a matter of time before they tried a large scale terrorist attack, I thought the first bombing of the WTC was pretty impressive but it wasn't enough to start the 'war on terror'. If at first you don't succeed, right? So here we are the most powerful, and most endebted nation on the planet, always on the lookout for the next enemy, so the people that are truly in control of our government can make those HUGE defense department contract profits. It's sickening.

What?

I thought the MSM was controlled and manipulated? What's going on here?

Interesting, very interesting.

OTOH, getting the conspiracy theory nutcases stoked up into a frenzy and repeating these extravagant conclusions distracts, obfuscates, and reduces the credibility factor of all the different conspiracy theories, including perhaps the one that comes closest to the truth. Don't think the PsyOp's people at the Pentagon haven't taken us into account, they have. They're using much the same tactics as they do with UFO sightings.

Just curious,

let's say the official story is actually true. Isn't it possible for explosives to be planted in the towers by the same group who are responsible for the attacks?

Not sure why the "explosive demolition" had to be done by governmental figures...however, it is a conspiracy site.

Originally posted by mothershipzeta

Originally posted by roboe
Still going with 1200+ Architects & Engineers, despite the majority of them "only" being architectural & engineering professionals

As opposed to:

123,000 members of ASCE (American Society of Civil Engineers)

80,000 members of AIA (American Institute of Architects)

120,000 members of ASME(American Society of Mechanical Engineers)

Who apparently have no problem with the official report. Sure, those engineers aren't structural engineers, but since the AE911T doesn't care about little things like that, why should I?

Unless you want to say that they're keeping quiet because of fear of retaliation...but unfortunately circular logic is not logic at all.

Considering how many architects design buildings that either collapse or are structurally unsound, an architect isn't the best person to ask about structural engineering. Also, electrical engineers don't know much about structural engineering. Is there a breakdown of how many people with appropriate expertise and experience are members of AE911T?

man, your post just shows that we should deny ignorance

lets be real here, to sign your name in a petition saying your country lied in the most horrific event in your country's history is very difficult

all the people that signed can have problems in their life; a lot of people get fired, cant find jobs, are harassed ...

and I am not even using a lot of logic here, its pretty obvious

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
Just curious,

let's say the official story is actually true. Isn't it possible for explosives to be planted in the towers by the same group who are responsible for the attacks?

Not sure why the "explosive demolition" had to be done by governmental figures...however, it is a conspiracy site.

yes, its possible ... I have my opinion on it, but the science says its possible that they did it

not probable, but possible