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Originally posted by dR. kNOWITALL
reply to post by DCDAVECLARKE
No... You see I don't have to get over it. I have REALITY on my side. You are the ones who will never see your precious theories come to any sort of legitimacy. Cheers.
Originally posted by DCDAVECLARKE
Originally posted by dR. kNOWITALL
reply to post by DCDAVECLARKE
No... You see I don't have to get over it. I have REALITY on my side. You are the ones who will never see your precious theories come to any sort of legitimacy. Cheers.
Your a bit like Hooper! yea believe B L did it from a cave dont yea? an you'r wonderful Government woulden harm an American fly!
Originally posted by babybunnies
Yup, and 3500 scientists prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that man made global warming is real, and I don't believe them, either.
I prefer to believe the ONE scientist who said "the Earth revolves around the Sun".
edit on 10-9-2010 by babybunnies because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by DCDAVECLARKE
I haven't see this before,
there up to the 79th floor an there's no fire?
my God how can we go on saying the OS is right an true?
lm just an honest man
Where is the blazing fire that melted the steel columns?
Originally posted by mw451
OK, so nearly 1,300 Engineers and Architects signed this.
What of the 100,000's that didn't?
Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by dR. kNOWITALL
What reality do you have on your side?
You honestly believe that Norad was offline, the command structure was displaced, the president heard the country was under attack and continued reading a kids book, the secret service heard the country was under attack and they didn't evacuate the president, the FAA and airlines heard there were hijackings and they didn't take precautions, there were fighter jets in the air, and they didn't respond, a jet crashed into a building designed to withstand a jet crash, and caught on fire in a building designed to withstand more than 12 hours of the hottest type of chemical fire, but somehow it miraculously fell down, while a similar jet crashed into the Pentagon and left a minor hole that workers were able to walk through and wonder what happened?
There was a story of a subcontractor inside the Pentagon, that supposedly was thrown 80 feet by the impact, slammed into a closet, the door closed, the explosion followed but he was protected, and then he got up, and walked down the hall and out of the hole in the wall with unburned jet fuel on his clothes, relatively uninjured and he was one of the main eyewitnesses verifying it was a plane crash at the Pentagon. Really? Hollywood has made more realistic action scenes than that!
What reality have you seen? None of this stacks up in the reality I live in. Of course, my world is bound by physics, math, and chemistry. I suppose if I lived in the pop-culture mtv world, I would believe whatever the TV told me to believe, and then the reality would be whatever they tell me it is.
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
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and who were quickly forgotten when MOST OF THEM, who were in the building, said that they heard explosives going off. The theory that it was "light bulbs" or something might hold water if it was someone's first fire.
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
Then you've got a dozen people who escaped the basement, saying there was a huge blast that went off just before the towers started to fall (with pyroclastic dust in the lobby reported by firemen).
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
When I mean BASIC PHYSICS -- I mean something that you can test with a simple model.
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
We don't need to consider the STRUCTURE involved -- merely that there is a structure, and it's got floors -- with presumably, vertical supports (it did).
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
It means that, a free-fall collapse due to a collapse of the TOP PART of a building (a pancake collapse) CANNOT happen! Now, you can mince words and say it was 3 seconds SLOWER -- but really, it isn't being dropped from a tower, there is SOME resistance in the initial collapse but ZERO on the trip down.
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
We know this easily from the video. As the floors pick up speed, the nearly keep up with falling Debris -- this means that the lower floors MUST HAVE been destroyed just as the floors above were reaching them -- there was no evidence of the above floors breaking the lower floors.
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
A much more experienced engineer from MIT said it would take at LEAST 60 seconds -- but more likely upwards of 90 to collapse a building that size with a pancake. I think his name was Edgars or something (there are over 1200 that we are talking about today--right?) -- but anyway, people seem to have a psychological block to just BELIEVE what they see.
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst...
they would be tearing away from the Core -- which was not compromised except at the top (and even with that, jet fuel and an aluminum airplane "cutting it?" Not possible -- it's like taking out a steel girder with aluminum cans).
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst...
I think I've explained this to death. I'm a science buff,
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst...
I have to wonder when you can just simply look at "reaction mass and time" and realize that it TAKES TIME to collapse a building by its own weight -- it isn't really rocket science. I believe that there are a lot of people who are NOT really versed in Science in this country, and there are a lot of intellectually dishonest people on TV.
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
So if Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity for instance think that 9/11 was because of airplanes, that Global Warming isn't taking place, that we needed to invade Iraq, that we don't need economic stimulus or public works projects to get our economy going ... etcetera, and believe me, all this stuff that I talked about the Bush administration doing -- was denied by the same deniars as always and as usual, they were 100% wrong.
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
The Pro-War, Pro-Corporate, and Anti-Investigation group, is against the "Truthers" and along with Physics, that should give anyone not under a rock a lot of good, healthy suspicion that the truth is the OPPOSITE of what the Shills are preaching.
The basement of the towers had generators full of fuel...Part of the burning fuel would have gotten to the basement through elevator shafts and, or air ventillation shafts causing the fuel tanks for the generators to....explode...
Oh boy... here we go with the "free fall' claim again... the towers DID NOT collapse in a free fall... and don't try to "mince words" and try to claim "but they fell at almost free-fall"... Either something falls at free-fall, or it doesn't... If it was a "demolition job" like some of you like to claim there wouldn't have been any resistance at all...
The debris was picking up speed simply because more, and more weight was falling on top of the other floors below them, hence the floors/walls would be giving less, and less resistance as more and more weight is added... If you actually knew anything about physics you would have known this... BTW, what there was no evidence of is your claim that the "lower floors must have been destroyed just as the floors above were reaching them"...
There have been MANY other scientists who have explained why the WTC collapsed the way they did, and they say there is NO EVIDENCE to claim there was any foul play...
Jebus...you really love to make claims not based on reality whatsoever don't you?... Passenger planes are made from more than just aluminum...and they are not like "aluminum cans"... Not to mention the sheer force of the impacts which caused earthquake stations near the WTC to register the planes hitting the towers...