Mossad, 9/11, and anti-semitism discussion (not 9/11 related)

Fore-warning, let's all be polite please on this.

I was reading the 9/11 forums and came pretty close to labeling some people as racist because they equate anti-Mossad comments to anti-semitism.

Many people posting gave a warning on their post that just because they attack Mossad and the state of Israel, it does not follow that they are anti-semites. Other posters believed otherwise and think if you believe Mossad carried out 9/11 then this opinion is covert anti-semitism.

I was going to reply that labeling someone as a semite (and I use the term to signify the idea of a jewish race and not in a broader linguistic and/or of middle eastern descent) is in itself a racist term because it means you believe in the idea of differences in race, and science (IMHO) proves that there is only one race, the human race.

So I guess its a two parter, do you think criticism of Mossad/Israel is disguised anti-semitism and/or, is it racist to believe in the idea of race. I don't think in terms of race, its more to do with geographical determinism, in my town, all the people I met are pretty much of so-called mixed race and for the most part just want to party and that. I am glad I did not call anyone a racist because it would be very unfair to them, after all I might just be entirely mis-guided myself

So what do some of you guys on ATS think, I would love a few replies to balance out my own viewpoints.

PS to the MODS, not entirely sure what forum this should be in, only its not a discussion of 9/11.




BBC Correspondent says MOSSAD did 9/11 and Iran doesn't want Nukes thread in the 9/11 forum is the thread in question

What many people don't realize, is that Israel and Zionists are some of the biggest anti-semites in the world, seeing how they treat the Palestinian people.

With that being said, the label of anti-semite is a smoke-screen for pro-Zionists. It's a scapegoat that allows them to get away with what they are doing by making the subject taboo, though it's only taboo to criticize Israel. This is no accident.

It's a shame that we have to put disclaimers on our posts in an effort to disuade from the anti-semite label. Such a notion is a testiment to how effective the Israelis and Zionists are at controlling society through the media.

--airspoon

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Funny, I was going to U2U you because I've been really enjoying your recent posts, you seem a wise person but isn't there always more to learn? Great points and I agree with your perspective in regards to pro-zionists being anti-semites in regards the holocaust in Palestine but I would look to reality, 96 per cent of people (made up statistic) think that anti-semitism is purely 'Jew-bashing'.

And yes it's sad I had to add a pre-warning but the 9/11 thread I linked to, wow, there is some serious stuff and opinions being thrown about, also the warning is a little attempt at intentional covert hypnosis, just for you airspoon (because of your signature about distrusting people who claim to know the truth) here is a link about Milton Erickson, a famous American who understood the world even better than an enlightened buddah.

www.scribd.com...

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You have to ask where the phrase "anti-semitism " came from...

It is now used so widely that to me its lost all meaning, sort of the same as "racist"

Both are a card played way to often, the deck has been stacked.

But who is doing the stacking???

For me the term "anti-semite" has lost all meaning as it is so often used against anyone who is critical of the actions or policies of Israel. If I critisize France would that mean I am anti-French? If I happen to make a "Polish joke", would that mean I am anti- Polish? Of course not! But if I should for instance point out my disagreement with settler construction beyond the 1969 line, suddenly I am an anti-semite!

It seems to me that if I disagree with the actions or policies of a government, any government I have a right to voice my disapproval. IF that government happens to be Israel so be it!

Like someone said in another thread, the card of anti semit works only when one has something to lose , only when it's directed to a public person , an actor, a politician a show host , etc

Otherwise it's a bad joke , that only helps other realize that the one using those remarks is a "jukebox" ( someone places coins inside of him and he starts spitting out whatever he can for a purpose the one with the coins wants)

Criticising Mossad is as much 'anti-semetic' as criticising the CIA is 'anti-christian'. Neither make any sense!

I'm all for calling a spade a spade. So criticising Mossad is anti-mossad. Criticising israel is anti-israel. Criticising zionism is anti-zionist. Only criticising the semetic people, including the arabs, can ever ever be anti-semetic.

It's a propoganda tool to make people look biggoted for speaking out about anything Israel does. I'm yet to come across any person anywhere who is truely anti-semetic outside of Israel's own policies and politics!