Originally posted by Son of Will
This entire paragraph is bogus. There were large associations between meat and disease, inverse associations between plant proteins and disease, with small associations between wheat and disease. Since this is exactly what naysayers have said in the past, I'm assuming you just did a copy&paste of someone else's claims. That's sloppy.
It is usually claimed that meat-eating peoples have a short life span, but the Aborigines of Australia, who traditionally eat a diet rich in animal products, are known for their longevity (at least before colonization by Europeans). Within Aboriginal society, there is a special caste of the elderly. Obviously, if no old people existed, no such group would have existed. In his book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, Dr. Price has numerous photographs of elderly native peoples from around the world. Explorers such as Vilhjalmur Stefansson reported great longevity among the Innuit (again, before colonization).
Similarly, the Russians of the Caucasus mountains live to great ages on a diet of fatty pork and whole raw milk products. The Hunzas, also known for their robust health and longevity, eat substantial portions of goat's milk which has a higher saturated fat content than cow's milk. In contrast, the largely vegetarian Hindus of southern India have the shortest life-spans in the world, partly because of a lack of food, but also because of a distinct lack of animal protein in their diets. H. Leon Abrams' comments are instructive here:
Vegetarians often maintain that a diet of meat and animal fat leads to a pre-mature death. Anthropological data from primitive societies do not support such contentions.
Originally posted by Miraj
I actually have trouble finding places which serve vegetables in large amounts.
Originally posted by Son of Will
reply to post by redhorse
My IQ score has increased since I went vegan. By roughly 5-10 points. I won't say what it is, but I assure you, I'm no slouch. And you're wrong about the original study, it is the most impressive epidemiological study on nutrition ever conducted in history. Try taking a look at it sometime, especially before commenting in a thread about it.
ETA - Geeze, seems like the ATS motto got thrown into the dumpster for this thread. I wish people would be a bit more intelligent when it comes to such an important subject. You all care about the future, the NWO, maintaining personal and national sovereignty, but when it comes to your very own bodies, you ignore sound science?
edit on 8-9-2010 by Son of Will because: clarification
Originally posted by Ong Bak
so i read an article the other day taht cited some study with thousands of men and women conducted over a period of like 25 years that showed a direct relationship between meat consumption and increased mortality rates/shorter life spans.
im not here to argue the validty of said study, im jsut wondering if the amount of people int he study, it think it was liek 50k people and the length of the study (25 years) is long enough to prove once and for all that what many well educated peopel have known for alogn time, that meat will kill you slowly, its legit?
or will meat eaters continue to deny the obvious fact that its poisoning their bodies becasue they jsut like to eat dead animals?
Originally posted by koder
I bet its all a ploy by farmers to scare you into eating yer veggies laced with Monsanto poison....thoughts?
I'm sorry as I should have been more specific. Meats and fish have amino acid ratios that you can't find in the plant kingdom. Ratios being the key word.
Each 15ml (1 Tablespoon) contains the following Essential Fatty Acids:
Linoleic Acid (Omega 6) 54.8%
Alpha Linolenic Acid (Omega 3) 18.1%
Oleic Acid (Omega 9) 11.2%
Palmitic Acid 6.8%
Gamma Linolenic Acid (GLA) 4.8%
Stearic Acid 2.4%
Octadecatetraenoic Acid 1.4%
Eicosenoic Acid 0.3%
Behenic Acid 0.3%
Hempseed's amino acid profile is close to "complete" when compared to more common sources of proteins such as meat, milk, eggs and soy. The proportions of linoleic acid and alpha-linolenic acid in one tablespoon (15 ml) per day of hemp oil easily provides human daily requirements for EFAs
Hemp seeds can contain up to 36% protein. In the 1950s, scientists worked to determine lab models for foods, the vegetable protein model was derived from hemp seed and was called edestin. The protein in hemp seed is comprised of approximately 65% of edestin and can be found only in hemp seed protein. Edestin aids digestion, is low in phosphorus and is considered the backbone of human cellular DNA. The other one third of hemp seed protein is Albumin, another high quality globulin protein similar to that found in egg whites.
It’s called hemp protein. And you might be asking yourself, “Whoa, gee, man... Is that the stuff you smoke?” And of course, it’s not. There’s hemp and cannabis. Cannabis is the female plant... And hemp is the male plant, which has a negligible THC content. So, it doesn’t cause any highs.
Then research is showing that hemp is one of the most amazing proteins you can possibly give your body. Let me break down what hemp does... What makes it so great? And how can you use it to accelerate your muscle gains, and burn off your body fat?
Why Is This The Greatest Protein Source Out There? Hemp seeds contain all the essential amino acids and essential fatty acids necessary for muscle repair and hypertrophy. There is no other single plant source that has all the essential amino acids in such an easily digestible form, the enzymes, the bacteria and the essential fatty acids in such a perfect ratio to meet athlete’s nutritional needs.
The June 2001 issue of Natural History speaks of field studies of scattered groups of chimpanzees and their degree of carnivory. A tribe at the Mahale Mountains Wildlife Research Center in Tanzania, for example, is known to hunt and kill ten different species of mammal. Other tribes are described as "almost entirely vegetarian."
Drs. Tuveson and Chandel propose that taking antioxidant pills or eating vast quantities of foods rich in antioxidants may be failing to show a beneficial effect against cancer because they do not act at the critical site in cells where tumor-promoting ROS are produced -- at cellular energy factories called mitochondria. Rather, supplements and dietary antioxidants tend to accumulate at scattered distant sites in the cell, "leaving tumor-promoting ROS relatively unperturbed," the researchers say.
General nutritional principles indicate that healthy diets should include at least moderate amounts of fruit and vegetables, sufficient to prevent deficiencies of any nutrients, especially micronutrients such as vitamin C, which are mostly supplied by fruits and vegetables. However, the available data suggest that general increases in fruit and vegetable intake would not have much effect on cancer rates, at least in relatively well-nourished populations. Future research may be productive if it can be focused on biological pathways known to be relevant in the development of specific types of cancer, and can reliably assess long-term intakes of relevant fruits and vegetables. Currently, advice in relation to diet and cancer should include the recommendation to consume adequate amounts of fruit and vegetables, but should put more emphasis on the well-established adverse effects of obesity and high alcohol intakes on cancer risk.