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Originally posted by goodsamaritan55
Originally posted by Golden Rule
Vegetarians are accused of being out of touch with reality - tree huggers and animal lovers, as if to love nature is something pathological. They are informed that there is nothing wrong with aggression, acquisition, and competition as long as they are forces which are controlled and directed properly - aggression is to be channeled through sports and career ambitions, acquisition is directed towards impressing a mate and reproduction, and competition is survival of the fittest, which meat eating seems to prove is nature's law.
Vegans ARE OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY.
Veganism is a mere TEMPORARY TOOL for detoxification when over cooked proteinized.
Long term veganism (more than a month) leads to MALNUTRITION and INFERTILITY.
No human tribe in history or pre-history has EVER been vegan.
Humans are omnivores.
EPIC (the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition) was initiated in 1992 and is the largest detailed study of diet and health ever undertaken. It involves over 500,000 people in 10 European countries (see EPIC-Europe). It is coordinated by the World Health Organization and supported by the European Union and national funding agencies.
EPIC-Oxford is one of two EPIC cohorts in the UK, the other being EPIC-Norfolk. (A “cohort” is a large group of people who have joined a study and whose health is being followed.) The EPIC-Oxford cohort was recruited between 1993 and 1999. The strategy for establishing the EPIC-Oxford cohort was to recruit participants with a wide range of diets by targeting vegetarians as well as participants from the general UK population. As such EPIC-Oxford is of great scientific value to the EPIC study as a whole, because the diets of vegetarians, and especially vegans, differ substantially from those of meat-eaters and this range in diets makes it easier to detect relationships between nutrition and health.
By studying very many people in different countries with differing diets, and by using carefully designed and tested questionnaires, EPIC should produce more specific information than previous studies about the effects of diet on long-term health.
Welcome to EPIC-Oxford. The Oxford component of the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition (EPIC) is a prospective cohort of 65,000 men and women living in the UK, many of whom are vegetarian.
The main objective of the study is to examine how diet influences the risk of cancer, particularly for the most common types of cancer in Britain, as well as other chronic diseases. The study began in 1993 and since then, a great deal of important research, from both EPIC-Oxford and its collaboration with other centres in Europe, has been published.
During 2007 and early 2008 we sent participants a second follow-up questionnaire to help us to understand how changes in diet and other aspects of lifestyle can influence future health. The response has been excellent, with over 33,000 questionnaires already returned. We would also like participants to complete another 7-day food diary.
Originally posted by weemadmental
what a lot of nonsense this is, all you need to know is that the teeth in your mouth have evolved to allow us to eat both meat and veg, there are lots of different factors in life that stop us from reaching old age. if you look at vegans and vegetarians you will see that they need to consume extra vitamins and minerals not found in plants to stay healthy, if they dont they dont have a long life, you just have to take things in moderation
Originally posted by danielhanson420
were all going to die one day and most of us arnt going to see a pention(whatever age it will be by then). so thanks for the warning but im giong to enjoy my meat and die happy nomatter how much quiker it is as a conciquence.
Originally posted by Ong Bak
so i read an article the other day taht cited some study with thousands of men and women conducted over a period of like 25 years that showed a direct relationship between meat consumption and increased mortality rates/shorter life spans.
im not here to argue the validty of said study, im jsut wondering if the amount of people int he study, it think it was liek 50k people and the length of the study (25 years) is long enough to prove once and for all that what many well educated peopel have known for alogn time, that meat will kill you slowly, its legit?
or will meat eaters continue to deny the obvious fact that its poisoning their bodies becasue they jsut like to eat dead animals?
Originally posted by kaskade
If thats the case why not just stock up on meat based products ONLY, only sugar, fat, high carbs...
Originally posted by DaMod
If I had to go through life knowing that I couldn't have a thick juicy delicious steak ever again I would loose all will to live.
edit on 13-9-2010 by DaMod because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by sdcigarpig
reply to post by DevolutionEvolvd
Yes, but the point being that you can not just go off of what is good for the people in one country or another. Take France, the french food is one of the richest, high calorie and high in cholestrerol, but have a rate of heart attacks and heart disease that is lower than the US.
So if for generations a group lives on that kind of a diet, would that not preclude a change in the genetics to accomidate for such?