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posted on Oct, 2 2010 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by St Udio
what a crock... & you seem to have swallowed his bait & become a zombie recorded voice of his & the other elites' propaganda


My friend, I assure you I am thoroughly familiar with the Declaration of Independence, and I am thoroughly familiar with where my rights come from.

However, you would have noticed if you had read the post in its interity that this is a personal declaration for YOU the reader, thus I made it as universal and all encompassing as I could, and ensured even an Atheist could feel comfortable with it. As it is your Declaration, modify it as you will.

I have already declared myself free from the state and returned to them that which they gave me through their system.

With Love,

Your Brother




posted on Oct, 2 2010 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by seamus
Cursed is the man who puts his trust in man. You have just cut your own throat, prophet. Start again. "[E]ndowed with certain inalienable (sic) rights" by whom? You don't strive for something that is endowed by the Creator. It's there, whether you acknowledge it or not, just like gravity, time, and the ocean.


I agree with you my friend, that these rights are endowed by our Creator. However, not everyone believes in a creator. Therefore, I made this declaration as generic as possible for it is to the reader. I have already declared my own independence, and live free of the State. This is my right by God, and my own free will.


Originally posted by seamus
There's the hook, folks! That bleeding-heart appeal to 'service for your fellow man'. I maintain, and it is borne out logically and experientially, that the best way to serve your fellow man is to serve yourself first to all of the universe. Out of that overabundance shall all truly good deeds flow, for in that overabundance, the Ego has no place to boast, "See, look what I did in service to my fellow man!". In an abundant universe, there is no need to go without. There is no need to make Effort to right social wrongs. There is no infringement of rights or creation of victims. The universe of scarcity is purely a construct of the Ego, used by it to keep itself in control of the true Divine spark in you.


I am beginning to think you are a member of the mainstream press the way you quote out of context and omit key phrases which contribute to the meaning of a thought. What you left out was "as we see fit", meaning that it is up to the individual to decide what contributions he is willing to make to society.


Originally posted by seamusThen why are you issuing dangerous advice and misleading misquotes from the Declaration of Independence? Whatever happened to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness? By whom were these rights endowed, I ask again? For a theist, you sure are soft-peddling the Source of rights! But if you acknowledged the true source of rights, that would then prevent you logically from following the golden rule you quote above. For as always, the rule is "sweet dreams are made of this", who am I to disagree? Answer: none. Nor do you have a right or mandate to interfere. Yep. Psyops. You don't often see religious nuts this transparent or logically consistent.


Every man has the right by their Creator to decide if there is one or not. His existence is not dependant on a mans belief in him, nor is a man's rights dependant on that belief. Thus, a Man has his rights endowed by his creator or by himself, wither way they are natural and self evident.



Originally posted by seamusYour freedom will cost you a lot more than your flesh suit, friend. As long as you identify with the parasite, it will appear to cost your identity. Saying you're a sovereign does not make it so. The jails are filling up with miscreants who are wrongfully claiming sovereignty while in fact still slaves. No one can fake it forever! Not even you. It's obvious you still believe in victims, by the spirit of this message. No true Sovereign believes in victimhood.


My friend, are you so lost to freedom that you no longer can tell the difference between an imprisoned free man, and a slave on the plantation?

Do you reckon death too high a price for freedom? Then you know not of eternity and the ever enduring strength of the soul, a soul which is Sovereign and eternal. You may mock my declaration if you will, but you mock it from your own shackled condition, and a state of cowardice. That is not a position worthy of inspiring any change of course in my mind. For while you may relax in the comfort provided you by your nanny state, sacrificing freedom for your own security, even sacrificing the freedom of your own fellow Brothers and Sisters for that security, I am a Free Man, a King of my own free Will, and it comes at the sacrifice of my own comforts, which I willing make. For where the soul of a coward takes comfort to deny others their freedom, I stand proudly and declare, give me liberty or give me death.

With Love,

Your Brother

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posted on Oct, 2 2010 @ 11:22 PM
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You are a most charismatic writer.

By the time I got to page three I wanted to join with you and save mankind.
Then I remembered that I have been wanting world peace since I was a very young girl.

Every time I've wished upon a star and each time I have blown out my birthday candles I have wished for world peace.

I was born into a wealthy family and was able to leave the family business and travel the world on short term mission trips. How noble I was. I sacrificed comfort to help people in third world countries.

Then when I got home I went back to my life of comfort and plenty until the next mission came available.

I lived a fast and wild life and still managed to teach a Sunday school class.

My parents are now dead, I am still a very wealthy woman, on paper. I am what you would call a land poor spoiled woman that is so close to hitting bottom that has one foot on bottom waiting for the other foot to touch down.

There is no one or nothing that can bring peace to our world except Christ the Father, Christ the Son and the Holy Spirit.

As I look back on my life I can see God's hand in everything I went through good and horrible.
I just thought I had faith and Loved God until I was told I was going to die fourteen months ago.
That was not long after the bottom fell out of real estate and now I am stuck with hundreds of acres of land I can't sell or pay the taxes on.

God had been trying to tell me how much He loved me all my 63 years. But he had to knock me down to the bottom so I could see what was real and good.

I was wheel chair bound and had to have assistance to go to the bathroom. I was ready to die,

I prayed all the time. But I still awaited death.

Then I received a peace that I cannot explain or even understand. That instant I stood up and started walking after sitting for three months. I only started with a few steps and it was very painful.

Now I'm driving the tractor, tilling and planting the winter garden. I have felt love from God.
I sometimes feel as if God is spoiling me but now I know His love and peace was always there but I had to get self out of the way.

My power could be turned off in the near future but I am not worried. Things are no longer important to me. Loving my family, friends and strangers and spreading the Word of God are all that matter now.

For your sake I hope and pray you are what you seem to be.

There will be many false prophets before our Lord gives our world peace.
Time will tell if you are a man of Christ the Lord in Heaven.

I will leave you with a verse we sang on mission trips when things got scary.

It is: They will know we are Christians by our Love by our Love.
They will know we are Christians by our Love.

Love is the greatest of the gifts from God.

With Love from the Father and His Peace I leave with you.

Edit to add star and flag for you.

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posted on Oct, 3 2010 @ 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by dizziedame
My power could be turned off in the near future but I am not worried. Things are no longer important to me. Loving my family, friends and strangers and spreading the Word of God are all that matter now.

For your sake I hope and pray you are what you seem to be.

There will be many false prophets before our Lord gives our world peace.
Time will tell if you are a man of Christ the Lord in Heaven.

I will leave you with a verse we sang on mission trips when things got scary.

It is: They will know we are Christians by our Love by our Love.
They will know we are Christians by our Love.

Love is the greatest of the gifts from God.

With Love from the Father and His Peace I leave with you.


Thank you for your heart felt message my friend. Your story is most beautiful, and you have already declared your independence. I am what I say I am, no more, no less than you. I am a prophet, but my own Prophet, just as you are your own Prophet sharing your story of love. That is all it is about my friend.

If you haven't seen it already, check out my thread "A Final Warning to All". I'd love to see you in the discussion there.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Judge not, Love All, be at peace.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Oct, 3 2010 @ 08:39 AM
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If you're able to use your land as collateral to raise some funds, go green... Here is one example:

www.clarianpower.com...

This company will sell both solar panels and wind turbines for 2011. They'll make it easy to install tool. The kits will come with a power management box that allows you to plug their devices straight into a wall socket. Meaning, you're running everything in the house on your own dime. Looks like you'll need about $1500 - $2000 to run both solar and wind with an added battery back-up. Not bad for a 10 plus year investment. I doubt you'd be able to use a hair dryer or vacuum cleaner, but most everything else is handled. I hope that helps...



posted on Oct, 3 2010 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by IAMIAM
I agree with you my friend, that these rights are endowed by our Creator. However, not everyone believes in a creator. Therefore, I made this declaration as generic as possible for it is to the reader. I have already declared my own independence, and live free of the State. This is my right by God, and my own free will.

You have a right to do whatever you want to do, and a right to experience the consequences. Some consequences come through social norms, some come through universal law. I would never deny you your right to do harm to yourself by inviting the insane to deny the governance that they need.



Originally posted by seamus
There's the hook, folks! That bleeding-heart appeal to 'service for your fellow man'. I maintain, and it is borne out logically and experientially, that the best way to serve your fellow man is to serve yourself first to all of the universe. Out of that overabundance shall all truly good deeds flow, for in that overabundance, the Ego has no place to boast, "See, look what I did in service to my fellow man!". In an abundant universe, there is no need to go without. There is no need to make Effort to right social wrongs. There is no infringement of rights or creation of victims. The universe of scarcity is purely a construct of the Ego, used by it to keep itself in control of the true Divine spark in you.


I am beginning to think you are a member of the mainstream press the way you quote out of context and omit key phrases which contribute to the meaning of a thought. What you left out was "as we see fit", meaning that it is up to the individual to decide what contributions he is willing to make to society.
It was not an intentional omission, except insofar as I deemed the phrase superfluous. No one has a mandate to compel "service to man", so your self-exoneration is already complete. I do find it interesting, however, that you felt the need to highlight the lack of that phrase in my rebuttal. And your echo-like reframing of my words, after I have explicated yours. (I am beginning to think, in this thread. Before, it was the thing about a pit. Egos react. Observers act.)



Originally posted by seamusThen why are you issuing dangerous advice and misleading misquotes from the Declaration of Independence? Whatever happened to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness? By whom were these rights endowed, I ask again? For a theist, you sure are soft-peddling the Source of rights! But if you acknowledged the true source of rights, that would then prevent you logically from following the golden rule you quote above. For as always, the rule is "sweet dreams are made of this", who am I to disagree? Answer: none. Nor do you have a right or mandate to interfere. Yep. Psyops. You don't often see religious nuts this transparent or logically consistent.


Every man has the right by their Creator to decide if there is one or not.
True, but his "decision" has > impact on reality, or even on his personal experience. I mean, look at Stephen Hawking! If there ever was a man who God tried to shut up, and still give him a chance to keep living and see the light, it's him. He is the atheists' "Don't let this happen to you" poster child.

His existence is not dependant on a mans belief in him, nor is a man's rights dependant on that belief.
actually, a man who believes in no creator is insane by international law, and this individual becomes a ward of the local presiding lawful authority. Why? Because he is belligerently unable to learn to comport himself as a son of the one true living god, if he disbelieves in the existence of same. Fortunately for atheists, there is no remaining lawful authority that operates a court system in the G7 nations (which is where most atheists come from). It's all legal up here in the rarified air. Otherwise the atheists would be in an insane asylum.


Thus, a Man has his rights endowed by his creator or by himself, wither way they are natural and self evident.
And here you go off the rez. A man cannot, by his own authority, endow himself with ANY rights. Just think of it... What if I decided I had the right to traffick in coc aine for profit? Do you really think that the Universe would back me up on that? Hmm?



Originally posted by seamusYour freedom will cost you a lot more than your flesh suit, friend. As long as you identify with the parasite, it will appear to cost your identity. Saying you're a sovereign does not make it so. The jails are filling up with miscreants who are wrongfully claiming sovereignty while in fact still slaves. No one can fake it forever! Not even you. It's obvious you still believe in victims, by the spirit of this message. No true Sovereign believes in victimhood.

My friend, are you so lost to freedom that you no longer can tell the difference between an imprisoned free man, and a slave on the plantation?
Very un-clever of you to trot out your ignorance and display it like that. All the more reason you should refrain from teaching anyone. A man becomes a slave in today's modern world by consenting to be governed by a for-profit corporation masquerading as a 'government'. I won't tell you any more than that, because I don't want to get into trouble. Enlightening the willingly unknowledgeable is unlawful, and I could get a spanking from the universe for it.


Do you reckon death too high a price for freedom?
Death is always an option, but it's not the 'price' for anything. To imply death is the price for freedom is to insinuate that the Creator does not want us to have freedom in this lifetime, which I have found to be false. Death is a natural part of this simulation, and by embracing my lot in life, I also embrace my lot insofar as the time of my demise. I don't believe in all this self-determination crap, remember? My freedom lies in the absolutely trusting relationship I have with the Creator, in which It is free to take me home at a moment's notice, or let me suffer in bed with a fever, or flood my house. You can't imagine this kind of freedom if you don't have it, and if you don't have it YOU ARE A SLAVE, no matter whether you're a crime kingpin or a magistrate or a garbage eater in Sri Lanka. (the garbage eaters have a much higher chance of being free, though)


Then you know not of eternity and the ever enduring strength of the soul, a soul which is Sovereign and eternal. You may mock my declaration if you will, but you mock it from your own shackled condition, and a state of cowardice.
What's really sad is that you interpreted my calling-out and calling to account for the hope that you claim to hold, as mockery. Tsk, tsk, tsk. You're no guru. You should wear a sign saying "Keep away! Hyperinflated spiritual ego on board!"


That is not a position worthy of inspiring any change of course in my mind.
As always, I am more interested in the thoughts of the onlookers to my conversations with such as you, than trying to infuence your own way. Remember, for me the rule is "Sweet dreams are made of this:" who am I to disagree?. Far be it from me to try to dissuade you from digging a pit for yourself and your followers. I merely call attention to it, and you (fail to) justify it.

For while you may relax in the comfort provided you by your nanny state, sacrificing freedom for your own security, even sacrificing the freedom of your own fellow Brothers and Sisters for that security, I am a Free Man, a King of my own free Will, and it comes at the sacrifice of my own comforts, which I willing make. For where the soul of a coward takes comfort to deny others their freedom, I stand proudly and declare, give me liberty or give me death.

Sic Semper Sola Propheta



posted on Oct, 3 2010 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by seamus
You have a right to do whatever you want to do, and a right to experience the consequences. Some consequences come through social norms, some come through universal law. I would never deny you your right to do harm to yourself by inviting the insane to deny the governance that they need.


Expound on this "Universal Law" if you don't mind sharing.


Originally posted by seamus
Every man has the right by their Creator to decide if there is one or not.
True, but his "decision" has > impact on reality, or even on his personal experience. I mean, look at Stephen Hawking! If there ever was a man who God tried to shut up, and still give him a chance to keep living and see the light, it's him. He is the atheists' "Don't let this happen to you" poster child.

Who can blame a man for rejecting God when the definition has been so distorted over the years to one of false idols. God is a concept beyond human comprehension or definition. What Atheists reject is Man's weak attempts to define a being they cannot understand. By the rejecting of these false idols, most Atheists are more devout than those who follow such false ideals of the creator.



Originally posted by seamus
actually, a man who believes in no creator is insane by international law, and this individual becomes a ward of the local presiding lawful authority. Why? Because he is belligerently unable to learn to comport himself as a son of the one true living god, if he disbelieves in the existence of same. Fortunately for atheists, there is no remaining lawful authority that operates a court system in the G7 nations (which is where most atheists come from). It's all legal up here in the rarified air. Otherwise the atheists would be in an insane asylum.


Who dares to know the will of God to put such standards of comport on anyone? Only one being in creation has dared such authority and it goes by many names, universally it is known as the great deceiver.


Originally posted by seamus
And here you go off the rez. A man cannot, by his own authority, endow himself with ANY rights. Just think of it... What if I decided I had the right to traffick in coc aine for profit? Do you really think that the Universe would back me up on that? Hmm?


The universe would not blink one iota over such action. The stars will still shine, the earth will still rotate, and the sun will continue to shed its light. The Laws of Man, on the other hand, may have something to say on the matter


Originally posted by seamus
Very un-clever of you to trot out your ignorance and display it like that. All the more reason you should refrain from teaching anyone. A man becomes a slave in today's modern world by consenting to be governed by a for-profit corporation masquerading as a 'government'. I won't tell you any more than that, because I don't want to get into trouble. Enlightening the willingly unknowledgeable is unlawful, and I could get a spanking from the universe for it.


Any government except for self government makes one a slave. No worries about your Universal spanking, I am quite capable of enlightening myself, just as every man is.


Originally posted by seamus
Death is always an option, but it's not the 'price' for anything. To imply death is the price for freedom is to insinuate that the Creator does not want us to have freedom in this lifetime, which I have found to be false.


Agree.


Originally posted by seamus
Death is a natural part of this simulation, and by embracing my lot in life, I also embrace my lot insofar as the time of my demise.


Agree.


Originally posted by seamus
I don't believe in all this self-determination crap, remember? My freedom lies in the absolutely trusting relationship I have with the Creator, in which It is free to take me home at a moment's notice, or let me suffer in bed with a fever, or flood my house.


Interesting. So, to be clear, you would not call a doctor to your home, or take yourself to a hospital. Would you simply accept that your basement is flooded, or would you call in people to assist you with the problem?


Originally posted by seamus
You can't imagine this kind of freedom if you don't have it, and if you don't have it YOU ARE A SLAVE, no matter whether you're a crime kingpin or a magistrate or a garbage eater in Sri Lanka. (the garbage eaters have a much higher chance of being free, though)


Ah I see, if I do not accept your dogma, I am merely still a slave. Ok, I am a slave. A happy one too.


Originally posted by seamus
What's really sad is that you interpreted my calling-out and calling to account for the hope that you claim to hold, as mockery. Tsk, tsk, tsk. You're no guru. You should wear a sign saying "Keep away! Hyperinflated spiritual ego on board!"


LOL. Never said I was a Guru. My only claim is to being free of the entrapments you seem to wish me to embrace again. If only I would take on your more enlightened doctrine, then I could free myself from my shackles.

No thank you. I AM free, whether you call it so or not. You have no power over my will, nor can you define God's will for me. It is you who comes here a false teacher, claiming some enlightened perspective all should accept. To be clear, my only teaching has been, I am not here to teach, find your own truth.


Originally posted by seamus
Sic Semper Sola Propheta


Interesting choice of language. I am my own prophet, as you are yours.

With Love,

Your Brother

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posted on Oct, 3 2010 @ 04:24 PM
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You make excellent points. I did read the history on IAMIAM, and more often than not... People who remain dependent on drugs have a warped sense of reality. That can be both good and bad of course in respect to thinking outside the box. However, I don't believe drugs lead to the best presentation. I have room to debate with you though... Namely with these statements:




Otherwise the atheists would be in an insane asylum.


There was a recent article out challenging the intelligence and biblical knowledge of theists vs. atheists. As I'm sure you can imagine the latter out-performed. Search for the thread on ATS. Easy to find...



And here you go off the rez. A man cannot, by his own authority, endow himself with ANY rights. Just think of it... What if I decided I had the right to traffick in coc aine for profit? Do you really think that the Universe would back me up on that? Hmm?


The debate... If man is a manifestation of God in the form of compressed energy/ consciousness, then yes... A man can endow himself with rights as the creator sees fit. Your reference is an issue of law. Man will eventually find true knowledge of good at which point the Infinite backs us up.



posted on Oct, 3 2010 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by IAMIAM
Expound on this "Universal Law" if you don't mind sharing.
What you put out comes back to you. Too simple, huh?


Who can blame a man (Stephen Hawking) for rejecting God when the definition has been so distorted over the years to one of false idols.
Look inside yourself. What do you see? Do you really, really think that could have come from random chance and acidic goo? Really? I'm shaking my head in disbelief at the extent to which the Ego will construct fantasies in order to remain in the victim position.

God is a concept beyond human comprehension or definition. What Atheists reject is Man's weak attempts to define a being they cannot understand. By the rejecting of these false idols, most Atheists are more devout than those who follow such false ideals of the creator.
That's disingenuous. You have created a strawman (or rather, chosen one from history), and set it up as the only available concept of the Prime Cause. Psh.


Who dares to know the will of God to put such standards of comport on anyone?

There you go, implying impotence on the part of the Prime Cause. It is not man who judges, or sets standards. But those who know the standard (set by Creator) know it. It is folly to attack them for possession of knowledge that you lack. Better would be to ask where they got their information. Their articulation of aspects of that standard have nothing to do with your societies, or your morality. The standard is beyond morality. It pertains much more to responsibility than to such feeble concepts as "right" and "wrong".


Only one being in creation has dared such authority and it goes by many names, universally it is known as the great deceiver.

Satan, the great deceiver, may in fact be your best friend. He will lead you to the wrong path, but in such a way that you will only be deceived if you wish to be deceived. There is no danger in knowing the "enemy", because like Slugworth from the original Willy Wonka movie, he works for the Boss. Those who love the truth more than their own comfort are assured of finding it.


The universe would not blink one iota over such action. The stars will still shine, the earth will still rotate, and the sun will continue to shed its light. The Laws of Man, on the other hand, may have something to say on the matter
In matters of authority, the laws of man are secondary. If I declare myself to have a right that I actually DO have, the universe will move to keep me from harm in exercising that right, provided I am in right relationship to the Creator (unconditional trust and love). I have had this demonstrated to me in my waking life, and in dreams. I have had police forget their 'duty' as a code enforcement officer and only relate to me in the manner of a peace officer, when it was clear that I was violating statutory law. This was done by the Creator to confirm to me that I am Its son.

If I declare myself to have a right that I do NOT have, however, I would find myself in gaol in a very short time if I created any victims.


Any government except for self government makes one a slave.
Earlier you implied that slavehood is a thing of the plantations. Would you like hot maple syrup with that waffle?


No worries about your Universal spanking, I am quite capable of enlightening myself, just as every man is.
You don't go handing chainsaws to 8-year-olds and expect no repercussions.


Interesting. So, to be clear, you would not call a doctor to your home, or take yourself to a hospital.
Let me ask you a question: Why is it that you lone prophets are all daft? Why is it that you flail and fight and create straw men to knock down? Is it because without an "opponent" you are without a chance to show you are 'better'?

Would you simply accept that your basement is flooded, or would you call in people to assist you with the problem?
I would do what is necessary, and consistent with the truth I know, to deal with the situations as they arise. If you were hoping for a different answer, I'll have to disappoint you.


Ah I see, if I do not accept your dogma, I am merely still a slave. Ok, I am a slave. A happy one too.

As you wish.


LOL. Never said I was a Guru. My only claim is to being free of the entrapments you seem to wish me to embrace again. If only I would take on your more enlightened doctrine, then I could free myself from my shackles.

Taking on doctrine has no effect. That's the lie of the left brain. It tells you that you can think your way to enlightenment, or heaven, or wherever it is that you think you want to go. But when where you want to go is outside the box it has drawn for itself through its chosen symbol-language, the left brain is stuck, and needs to be quiet in order to be brought into balance with the right. I am curious as to what element of "unconditional Love and Trust and acceptance of what IS as the good and perfect will of the Creator" you find to be an 'entrapment' (sic). Care to elucidate?


No thank you. I AM free, whether you call it so or not. You have no power over my will, nor can you define God's will for me.
Correction: I have no power at all.


It is you who comes here a false teacher, claiming some enlightened perspective all should accept.
As I recall, I stated more than once that my way has shown to be only ONE of many, many ways to arrive at the truth.


To be clear, my only teaching has been, I am not here to teach, find your own truth.

Okay, we'll let that go at that.



Interesting choice of language. I am my own prophet, as you are yours.

< Voice from bullhorn > "Sir. Step away from the equality card, sir! You cannot take him down to your level by making these assertions! They make you look incompetent!"



posted on Oct, 3 2010 @ 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by Americanist
You make excellent points. I did read the history on IAMIAM, and more often than not... People who remain dependent on drugs have a warped sense of reality. That can be both good and bad of course in respect to thinking outside the box. However, I don't believe drugs lead to the best presentation. I have room to debate with you though... Namely with these statements:


Otherwise the atheists would be in an insane asylum.

There was a recent article out challenging the intelligence and biblical knowledge of theists vs. atheists. As I'm sure you can imagine the latter out-performed. Search for the thread on ATS. Easy to find...
I am sure. Atheists are to be credited in that they examine the assertions of Religion and find them lacking. However, they do a very poor job of scrutinizing their own beliefs in physical realness. For example:

Rarely will you find an atheist questioning the veracity of accepting as truth what is conveyed through the senses as if senses were more than biological survival mechanisms. What you "see" is merely electric signals interpreted by your brain. Same with feelings of pain, pleasure, pressure, scent, hearing, etc. Atheists worship the physical and will brook no disagreement when someone like me, who has been on both sides of the fence, asks them hard questions such as:

How do you resolve the 'measurement problem' in physics?

They just get angry and do what any other religious nut will do. Fume and sputter and maybe threaten.

Let's face it. Religions need to go. Spiritual ones as well as physical ones.



And here you go off the rez. A man cannot, by his own authority, endow himself with ANY rights. Just think of it... What if I decided I had the right to traffick in coc aine for profit? Do you really think that the Universe would back me up on that? Hmm?


The debate... If man is a manifestation of God in the form of compressed energy/ consciousness, then yes... A man can endow himself with rights as the creator sees fit.
I would have to disagree, and adjust that to, "man can assert and exercise rights as the creator sees fit." The only rights that can be asserted are those that are endowed. If you go beyond that, you are at risk for creating a victim of yourself or others, and will be 'corrected'.

Your reference is an issue of law. Man will eventually find true knowledge of good at which point the Infinite backs us up.
Yes. I agree. The question that's hard to get through for some people is, "Where does real law end and man-made, play law begin?"



posted on Oct, 3 2010 @ 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by seamus
< Voice from bullhorn > "Sir. Step away from the equality card, sir! You cannot take him down to your level by making these assertions! They make you look incompetent!"


Alright my friend, I visited the websites you mentioned and it appears to me as though we are cut from the same cloth philosophically.

I will illustrate with these points:

1. I am free because God made me so.
2. There is no right or wrong, there just is,
3. Trust in God, and he will provide.
4. Accept Gods will.

Now if I you would care to correct these primary points on which we seem to agree do so, that we might have clarity.

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posted on Oct, 3 2010 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by seamus
< Voice from bullhorn > "Sir. Step away from the equality card, sir! You cannot take him down to your level by making these assertions! They make you look incompetent!"


Alright my friend, I visited the websites you mentioned and it appears to me as though we are cut from the same cloth philosophically.

I will illustrate with these points:

1. I am free because God made me so.
2. There is no right or wrong, there just is,
3. Trust in God, and he will provide.
4. Accept Gods will.

Now if I you would care to correct these primary points on which we seem to agree do so, that we might have clarity.

If these points are acceptable, answer me this, why do you seem to be resisting my efforts to illuminate others to these facts?



One: It appears we agree on the basics.

Two: I resist (or rather, appear to resist) efforts to illuminate others when they include concepts that lead to victimhood. You seem to imply in your "final warning" and in "the plan" that there is something to be done about the "powers that be", as if they are doing something that is contrary to the will of God. In doing so you are ascribing to Man the power he does not have, namely thwarting God's will. No, the Powers that Be are where they are because that's where God wants them to be, and if I need to do something about it, I'll know. No man will have to tell me. God will tell me.

Three: Sovereignty comes from God, and he/she/it grants sovereignty within the simulation to those individuals who have figured out the Game. I can say this freely here, since no one will believe me, except those who are ready. The game is: I am you, you are me, we are God. One essence, many faces. Peekaboo taken to extremes. Once you have figured it out, you are ready to graduate to the self-responsibility that marks the saints. I take full responsibility not only for the things I have done in this life, but for the things that have been done to me. I accept no victimhood into my mindset, as this was my choice from the beginning.

It appears you allow some wiggle-room for being the downtrodden, which is straight from the Good Slave manual. I may be seeing it wrong. You may be completely self-responsible. If so, I apologize for my misconstruance, and hope that it has been helpful for our brothers to read the interchange.



posted on Oct, 3 2010 @ 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by seamus
One: It appears we agree on the basics.


Wonderful! This is good progress. I hate arguing with myself



Originally posted by seamusTwo: I resist (or rather, appear to resist) efforts to illuminate others when they include concepts that lead to victimhood. You seem to imply in your "final warning" and in "the plan" that there is something to be done about the "powers that be", as if they are doing something that is contrary to the will of God. In doing so you are ascribing to Man the power he does not have, namely thwarting God's will. No, the Powers that Be are where they are because that's where God wants them to be, and if I need to do something about it, I'll know. No man will have to tell me. God will tell me.


Interesting. What if God didn't want you to do anything about it. What if he had that in mind for someone else.

Regardless, I am not that someone else. Yes the powers that be are where they are because it is Gods will. Why? Because Man kind has not woken up to the fact that he is utterly responsible for himself. This post is not contrary to God's will, but in accordance with it. In fact, this thread has had very little activity in some time. You, brought it back from the dead. Thank you for your part of God's Will!


Originally posted by seamusThree: Sovereignty comes from God, and he/she/it grants sovereignty within the simulation to those individuals who have figured out the Game. I can say this freely here, since no one will believe me, except those who are ready. The game is: I am you, you are me, we are God. One essence, many faces. Peekaboo taken to extremes. Once you have figured it out, you are ready to graduate to the self-responsibility that marks the saints. I take full responsibility not only for the things I have done in this life, but for the things that have been done to me. I accept no victimhood into my mindset, as this was my choice from the beginning.


Yep, and Pontius Pilate condemned himself, ourself, yourself, to the cross. Yes, I know all this. If you would have asked out right, I would have shared what I know with us.



Originally posted by seamusIt appears you allow some wiggle-room for being the downtrodden, which is straight from the Good Slave manual. I may be seeing it wrong. You may be completely self-responsible. If so, I apologize for my misconstruance, and hope that it has been helpful for our brothers to read the interchange.


No worries my friend. You may enjoy some of my less controversial threads. I have only posted but a few here, and they are just a bit of revelation. The reason why my threads are a bit contradictory is because they are all but one piece to a puzzle, and they are scattered about this forum. You really have to read them all to get my whole message. Ism's, Truth, Destiny, The Plan, and a Final Warning.

It's been fun talking to myself my friend. I hope to continue learning more about us in the future.

With Love,

Your Brother

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posted on Oct, 3 2010 @ 09:37 PM
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As I said before... Excellent points. The foremost action is creating a clean slate devoid of modern day religions.



I would have to disagree, and adjust that to, "man can assert and exercise rights as the creator sees fit." The only rights that can be asserted are those that are endowed. If you go beyond that, you are at risk for creating a victim of yourself or others, and will be 'corrected'.



I would refer you back to the definition of endow. Yes, we are furnished with Life... Not everyone gets to live it though. Some don't manage to take a first breath even. Rest assured I don't take a victim's approach to higher advancement, moral conduct, and just rules.

If the Creator endowed us for each moment... We would all afford a college eduction right? We would live free of abuse from others as well as the elements? How about the basics... Same IQ's across the board? Two eyes, two ears, and a nose combined with the appropriate amount of limbs?

The point I was attempting to make is that we're here to provide for ourselves via sacrifice and understanding. The game is making the Universe function the way it's intended to function. Don't forget it's a constant state of present time. On a level playing field you can assert and exercise all you want. Unfortunately, we've failed to arrive thus far.


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posted on Oct, 3 2010 @ 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by IAMIAM
Wonderful! This is good progress. I hate arguing with myself

Whereas I happen to enjoy it



Interesting. What if God didn't want you to do anything about it. What if he had that in mind for someone else.
Those what-ifs are easily dispensed with, once you remember that no man has it in his power to thwart God's will. If God gives me the idea to, say, assassinate the Prime Zodiac of Mongeraria, and I do it, it was obviously God's will, since I have no power to alter the Divine Plan. The twisted mind would wish to turn this into license to do selfish acts or wanton destruction. Therefore the twisted mind is not allowed to understand whence power comes.


Regardless, I am not that someone else. Yes the powers that be are where they are because it is Gods will. Why? Because Man kind has not woken up to the fact that he is utterly responsible for himself. This post is not contrary to God's will, but in accordance with it. In fact, this thread has had very little activity in some time. You, brought it back from the dead. Thank you for your part of God's Will!
Um, you're welcome!


Yep, and Pontius Pilate condemned himself, ourself, yourself, to the cross. Yes, I know all this. If you would have asked out right, I would have shared what I know with us.
Being condemned to the cross? Well, I would say that figuratively, you're right, but it's not much different from what would have had to happen anyway. What-ifs are fruitless until you find yourself in a timeline where that what-if had happened. I don't consider that to be highly likely, so I don't spend much energy on thinking about them. However, I know one fellow who jumps timelines frequently. You'd be surprised how similar things are even when details are different.
As he tells it, it seems that all space-time continua are manifestations of the same oneness, so they carry all of the same information, but bent at different angles


No worries my friend. You may enjoy some of my less controversial threads. I have only posted but a few here, and they are just a bit of revelation. The reason why my threads are a bit contradictory is because they are all but one piece to a puzzle, and they are scattered about this forum. You really have to read them all to get my whole message. Ism's, Truth, Destiny, The Plan, and a Final Warning.
I'll check it out.



posted on Oct, 3 2010 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by Americanist
I would refer you back to the definition of endow. Yes, we are furnished with Life... Not everyone gets to live it though. Some don't manage to take a first breath even. Rest assured I don't take a victim's approach to higher advancement, moral conduct, and just rules.

If the Creator endowed us for each moment... We would all afford a college eduction right?
That assumes that college is the highest good for all of us, which it is not. Diversity is high on the list of things the Creator loves. Why else would you have hundreds of thousands of species of ants, with most of them doing almost the same thing?

We would live free of abuse from others as well as the elements?
We are free to live the lives we have contracted/agreed for, and not to be infringed within our agreement. That does not mean that we are prevented from choosing a life that includes being the victim of abuse, such as I did.


How about the basics... Same IQ's across the board? Two eyes, two ears, and a nose combined with the appropriate amount of limbs?
Why make all snowflakes the same?


The point I was attempting to make is that we're here to provide for ourselves via sacrifice and understanding.

I more consider it a matter of trade and consent. a subtle difference, but one worth drawing.

The game is making the Universe function the way it's intended to function.

I rather think it's impossible to make it function other than the way it's intended to. That's the Ego's favorite illusion: personal power. Real power comes from accepting what is, then you get to see how connected you are to the Real force in the universe that makes everything happen and be.


Don't forget it's a constant state of present time. On a level playing field you can assert and exercise all you want. Unfortunately, we've failed to arrive thus far.

That's largely because you still think in terms of 'we'. No disrespect to the Lakota (in whose language there is no term for 'I', only 'we', 'us'), but this level of the simulation is for learning how to be an integrous individual. I have surpassed herd existence.



posted on Oct, 4 2010 @ 12:10 AM
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Again, failed thus far. I draw connections while you focus on yourself ya' snowflake. Sorry, I couldn't help the name calling!






That's largely because you still think in terms of 'we'. No disrespect to the Lakota (in whose language there is no term for 'I', only 'we', 'us'), but this level of the simulation is for learning how to be an integrous individual. I have surpassed herd existence.


Leave it at a difference of opinion then. You stay the individual. I'll side with One Love.



then you get to see how connected you are to the Real force in the universe that makes everything happen and be.


Contradiction on your part.

It's been obvious where I stand...

Americanist: a specialist in the languages or cultures of the aboriginal inhabitants of America



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posted on Oct, 4 2010 @ 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by Americanist
Again, failed thus far. I draw connections while you focus on yourself ya' snowflake. Sorry, I couldn't help the name calling!

Maybe i'm tired. I don't get it.


Leave it at a difference of opinion then. You stay the individual. I'll side with One Love.

The individual is something that the One is expressing, and as such is still totally part of the One. I don't see the duality you're implying.

Contradiction on your part.

care to point out where the contradiction is? I don't get it. I see seamless oneness, with illusory separation thrown in for fun. Where's the contradiction in that? Real power is not, nor can it be "personal power". Real power cannot be owned. or is that too out there for ya?


It's been obvious where I stand...
Americanist: a specialist in the languages or cultures of the aboriginal inhabitants of America

I'm housesitting for one of the only people left alive who speak the Pima language fluently. So? What's your point, expert?


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posted on Oct, 4 2010 @ 12:54 AM
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Wow, there are so many things there that remind me of my own situation. I am a gulf war vet (first gulf war),
1st Armored Division (saw the marines' killroy drawing in a stairwell in kuwait) self medicated to keep sane after the war, ended up losing my job, got divorced, (houses were stolen by Electro Magnetic Frequency Crack Whores I call them by the way), you know, I complained about the Depleted Urainum rounds, (being a lab rat), chemical injections, chemical warfare by the Iraqi republican guards so they haven't left me alone since
( ElectroMagnetic frequency Psychological Warfare) because I spoke too loud, living with my parents now. Pretty sad when you fight a war on behalf of your country then get hit with friendly fire, enemy fire, corporate elitist and gubberment traitors for speaking up which is the very rights we fight for. Hang in there, I ain't a leather neck but did train at disney barracks and will go toe to toe on the battle field as good as if not better than any jar head.



posted on Oct, 4 2010 @ 07:55 AM
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Thanks for sharing my Brother. We are not alone in our treatment at the hands of the government we served. It is what it is, and has been happening since the revolutionary war for Americans, and longer than that for Warriors since the dawn of time. It goes with voluntary expandability we choose. After all, we did agree to be expendable by having that thought, "I will die for another". This thought puts us in-line to have things done which do not result in death, wince we seem to be willing to be sacrificed. Change that thought from be willing to be sacrificed, to accepting the fact that you will not be sacrificed, and things get rosier.

Thank yo for sharing my friend. What we have been through will be recognised one day. The Universe does not forget, thus we are not forgotten.

With Love,

Your Brother





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