reply to post by Blue_Jay33
First off, please direct yourself to my new Atheist PR Thread
if you have any problems
with the atheists on here. Simply in the spirit of reconciliation and getting along on here. ATS is for everyone. even if we're a bit harsh with each
other sometimes. And I do apologize for any atheists being offensive for the sake of it or directly insulting, I don't intend to do that myself.
However, I hope you don't misinterpret the rest of this reply.
Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
As militant atheism
To repeat, atheists don't go door to door, we don't stand on street corners and preach, nor do we have any actually militarized efforts. Please do
not refer to us as militants. "Atheism" on its own has yet to cause any deaths. Atheists have done horrid things, be it Stalin who did it in the
name of political power or Pol Pot who did it out of being apparently insane, but they didn't do these things because of their lack of belief in a
rises it was only a matter of time that one of the most distributed journals attacked it. It was funny to find this topic with the link to the article
on the front page of Digg yesterday. So I thought it would be a good topic for the theology sub-forum at ATS.
Is Atheism On The March? (Link to online PDF file)
It least on the internet, even on ATS there is a sharp rise in Atheism.
Nah, there isn't a rise really, I just started posting again.
People who say there is no God, and evolution is a fact of science.
Those are two independent statements. Three of my four closes friends are theists, four out of my four closest friends accept evolution. The theists
are two Catholic and a Presbyterian. Religion and evolution can exist peacefully together. Most importantly, in the recent Dover ID case, the
biologist defending evolution was a theist. A devout Christian. But he has no problems accepting biologic facts. However, the rest we can debate on
As for people who say there is no god, they're simply 'coming out' in full force. Atheists have been around forever, but we've been the most
marginalized group with relation to religion in all of history. Religions may hate each other, but they all agree to hate the atheists more. But now
that a good portion of the world is more tolerant we can come out of hiding.
Maybe you have seen some of the videos on YouTube aggressively attacking those that have faith in a Creator.
Aggressively attacking is a bit misleading. A good example would be user Thunderf00t. He's probably one of the most outright aggressive atheist users
in terms of tactics, but he doesn't attack the people themselves unless its a specific person making a specific claim. Most of these 'aggressive
atheists' simply attack positions, but you people who believe in a deity tend to take this as a personal attack.
For me as a Christian I am happy that counter measures are taking place.
So you're happy that counter measures that could lead to discrimination are taking place? Is that really a wise thing to be happy about?
I would like to get other Christians opinions of there experience with dealing atheists both on the internet and in real life face to face. Has it
changed for you?
Well, I can give you the opposite side of the coin. In dealing with Christians I've found that many are not very interested in debate and instead
prefer to simply preach at others whilst ignoring facts and arguments presented by the other side. There are the few rare Christians that do accept
actual logical debates as a method for discussing issues, but they seem to be few and far between. Another surprising thing is that a majority of
Christians (not just on the internet) are incredibly ignorant as to what they actually believe. In the group that consists of me and my aforementioned
best friends, I'm the most knowledgeable in terms of the Christian religions, though my Presbyterian friend has been learning quite a bit more
lately. And none of them have read the Bible. It's the insanely rare exception for a Christian to have actually read the entire thing.
I know it has for me they used to be much more pensive about their beliefs. Now many of them, but not all, are aggressive and condescending.
We also used to worry about hate crimes against us. Now we have an open forum for our debates that means we don't have to worry about physical attack
or societal ostracization.
With an attitude of how could you be so stupid?
To be fair, some religious people do claim some insane things, like curing of cancer by speaking to an invisible omnipotent thing or that a full half
of biological and cosmological is purely false. Or that the craters on the Moon were created by water spinning off of the Earth during Noah's
flood...or that they believe in Noah's flood in the first place. These ideas are all ridiculous, so they tend to get ridiculed.
The YouTube user I mentioned before is actually quite fair with his responses, this is reference to a user who believes that the craters on the moon
were created by water from Noah's flood Here is the response
NSFW language, but not safe for ignorance science that entirely disproves the concept that water from the Earth cannot cause craters on the moon.
I don't feel that way at all toward them, I understand their perspective.
You don't seem to, the rest of your post demonstrates this.
I myself could have easily become an atheist. But I have seen too much Holy Spirit in action to verify my faith in God.
However you don't seem to have evidence that the 'Holy Spirit' has acted at all.
In the end Christians have faith in God and the bible, and atheists have faith in science and evolution.
Except we don't have any faith in it, we simply know it works. We have mountains of evidence to support it. Look at the fact that we're using
computers on the internet
, without science we wouldn't have that at all.
Thread Note: This is not the thread to debate the validity of the Bible or God, we have other threads on ATS for that.
Ok, but it is a thread that's entitled 'offensive against atheism' and has a lot of things attacking atheists.